Mora: which steel?

[dogstar]

Why would they be the same price? A companion stainless is using a much easier, cheaper process to make (especially since they make so damn many and have for many years)..On top of the its significantly less steel than the BB or Garberg.

On top of that both the BB and Garberg have far better finish/fit (I own 6 companions and none are as nice as any of the BB/G). The sheath for the garberg is considerably better as well, and some like myself think the handles on both the BB/G are way better than the companion (which is already good).

What other full tang Swedish Made (14c28n) knife are you getting for less than 60-70 bucks which is what the price typically is for the basic sheath.

I'm not saying they are equal, just that the upgrades cost exponentially more. Perhaps it is the economy of scale. They are not worth it to me, but someone else might find them worthwhile.

 

[Deino]

At higher price, the Companion would stop to be the entry knife. The brand would be obscured like the brands I listed in the previous post. You might know them, I might know them, but no one would get them because it starts to hit the more competitive section. The Garberg basic sheath wouldn't increase the price that much, other brands gives leather for that.

The only things appealing of the Companion are the simplicity, no fancy and inexpensive, that also be spare tools, give people less pain in case of losing. Same condition apply to Opinel pocket knife. They are established in their niche, better keeping it than moving away. Without the "made in Sweden" on the blade, that knife couldn't stand a chance against the sea of cheap labour Chinese brands at its current price range.

 

[Henry Beige]

I don’t see how the Companion competes against its own stable mate, the Bahco 2444 carpenter’s knife. At $7.84, it differs from a companion only in thinner blade stock (a plus for some), a slightly duller orange, and a slightly harder handle material. Only in stainless, though, which may be reason enough to spend twice the dough to get a carbon Companion.

 

[Dr Rez]

Without the "made in Sweden" on the blade, that knife couldn't stand a chance against the sea of cheap labour Chinese brands at its current price range.

Except if could because heat treat and grind i a major part of buying a knife if not the most important factors. This thread is absurd. People acting like Mora Companions and #1/2 are these beginner starter knives that could easily be replicated by cheapo companies that dont have a 100 year history of making and heat treating puukkos.

 

[dogstar]

Except if could because heat treat and grind i a major part of buying a knife if not the most important factors. This thread is absurd. People acting like Mora Companions and #1/2 are these beginner starter knives that could easily be replicated by cheapo companies that dont have a 100 year history of making and heat treating puukkos.

This thread was originally about which steel people prefer in Moras.

As with all threads, they end up going off on a tangent. I was making the point that to get the same stainless Companion in 14C28, you would have to pay a lot more than you already do. This is extrapolating from their current product line. Maybe I'm right, maybe not.

 

[Henry Beige]

This thread was originally about which steel people prefer in Moras.

As with all threads, they end up going off on a tangent. I was making the point that to get the same stainless Companion in 14C28, you would have to pay a lot more than you already do. This is extrapolating from their current product line. Maybe I'm right, maybe not.

I would not pay the premium for 14C28N in a Garberg, when for about the same dough, I can get 80CrV2 in. Jääkkäripuukko or a Peltonen Sissipuukko.

 

[Dav1]

I've had a quick look Dogstar and in the UK (may be a little cheaper in Sweden) 14c28n costs 2.7 times as much as simple carbon stock. I'm sure Mora could get it cheaper as they would no doubt buy more but yes they'd loose their position for something like a Companion which tbh I'm very happy with in either carbon or 12c27 for the price.

 

[jmh33]

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[Tafkaag]

I don’t see how the Companion competes against its own stable mate, the Bahco 2444 carpenter’s knife. At $7.84, it differs from a companion only in thinner blade stock (a plus for some), a slightly duller orange, and a slightly harder handle material. Only in stainless, though, which may be reason enough to spend twice the dough to get a carbon Companion.

I've tried looking all over Bahco's site but can't find what steel is used or any other stats such as blade thickness. Henry Beige , do you know? Depending on materials this is a screaming deal, even if it's orange. Puts it into Bud K Wahoo Killer territory, albeit the Banco looks far closer to a Mora.

 

[The Grendels]

I would not pay the premium for 14C28N in a Garberg, when for about the same dough, I can get 80CrV2 in. Jääkkäripuukko or a Peltonen Sissipuukko.

That's pretty much how I feel about the Garberg in recent years, even though I still ended up with one of them years ago, when I wasn't aware of a tenth of the number of different brands I am now. At that price point it's poking its head up to a different class of knife where you can do better, which kind of defeats the point of Moras.

I have over 20 Moraknivs (only 1 not pictured below), and only the wood carving knives and three regular knives have the carbon blades. The rest are stainless. Almost none of them are 14C28, except the Garberg. They are often designated as yard knives at various use stations, being stored in sheds and in other places where moisture and cold can be an issue. The Morakniv Heavy Duty Companion (full tang/carbon) is honestly more knife than most people will ever need as a camp knife and gives you a lot for the price, but I find myself using the Kansbol the most out of the bunch. I used to have the Morakniv Bushcraft on the outside of my backpack for day hikes up until around ten years ago, with its friendly orange hilt, but I've gotten better knives for that since then.

 

[Henry Beige]

I've tried looking all over Bahco's site but can't find what steel is used or any other stats such as blade thickness. Henry Beige , do you know? Depending on materials this is a screaming deal, even if it's orange. Puts it into Bud K Wahoo Killer territory, albeit the Banco looks far closer to a Mora.

I assume it is 12C27, just like the companion. I have an orange Companion to compare it to, and can’t detect any difference (not that I am qualified to do so. As for thickness, I compared it to the Companion blade. I may have put a vernier caliper to it, I don’t recall, and don’t recall the numbers, but you can see the difference. There are a couple of other small differences. The orange of the Bahco looks a little dingy compared to the companion, and the black insert on the handle is a bit harder to the touch. But yeah, screaming deal. Of course, in the range we are talking about, the deal doesn’t mean too much, unless you are looking for a dozen or so, to give away or to salt in key locations around the homestead.

 

[Tafkaag]

I assume it is 12C27, just like the companion. I have an orange Companion to compare it to, and can’t detect any difference (not that I am qualified to do so. As for thickness, I compared it to the Companion blade. I may have put a vernier caliper to it, I don’t recall, and don’t recall the numbers, but you can see the difference. There are a couple of other small differences. The orange of the Bahco looks a little dingy compared to the companion, and the black insert on the handle is a bit harder to the touch. But yeah, screaming deal. Of course, in the range we are talking about, the deal doesn’t mean too much, unless you are looking for a dozen or so, to give away or to salt in key locations around the homestead.

Thanks for a fast and detailed answer!

 

[Dr Rez]

I would not pay the premium for 14C28N in a Garberg, when for about the same dough, I can get 80CrV2 in. Jääkkäripuukko or a Peltonen Sissipuukko.

14c28n is an objectively better steel in nearly every metric possible. Its only very slightly harder to sharpen...but still hardly noticeable. Additionally the handle material is significantly more durable as it is TP-E Nylon.

I own both and they are both great knives, however the garberg is usually found for 30 bucks less and has an incredibly sharp spine that is extremely useful for scraping and firestarting.