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Yup...a solution to a non-existant problem.

Looks like a fun plinker though...
 
45-70 said:
Also note there is a difference between the Combat Commander and the Commander. Historically the C.C. had an alloy frame. The Commander didn't.

(I vote for the Full size govt frame, with a straight mainspring housing and the flatter grip panels for those keeping score.)
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The reverse is true. The original Colt Commander had an alloy frame (I have one) and functioned very well. However, perceptions being what they are, or were, many questioned whether an aluminum alloy frame would last for ten thousand rounds (let alone the fact that most folks run a few boxes a year thru theirs, and carry more and shoot less). These people called and wrote Colt, eventually resulting in the Combat Commander (all steel and weighing almost as much as the 5" Gov't Model). This almost lost the original premise, a more comfortable gun to carry which would function as well). After a few years, the all steel model assumed the name Commander, and the original alloy frame suddenly became the Commander Lightweight, serial numbers began with CLW 00XXX. This all happened 25-30 years ago, and might have missed your attention :D

My every day carry gun is an all steel 4" Wilson Professional, which with an 8 round magazine, weighs within a couple ounces of a Gov't model with 7. The truth of the matter is that my antique alloy Commander works just as well, and both carry easier and pinch my anatomy less than the 5" Gov't Model. ALL shoot as well as I am capable of, and I truly have come to rely on them.
 
Gonna be making movie Bruise?

Great prop...lots to carry around all day.
 
Uh... 45-70,
I think it's the other way around.
The Combat Commander has a steel frame.

Bruise,
I think the Ruger .22 Mk.II is a swell trainer (especially with the short 4 1/2" barrel). And the price is quite reasonable for an all steel, quality, made in USA pistol. I've never had a jam of any kind with mine.
Dunno about the new MK III...? Never handled one.
 
This is interesting stuff. The only Commander I ever shot was a nice one in 9 mm. about 1978 or so. I have built my 5" Series 70 up over a long period, and feel super comfortable with it, and have shot IPSC limited class with it. It is my bedside safe gun.

However, I envy people who talk about being able to carry concealed. It may not seem logical, but at 6' 8" and 320 lbs. I have found that it is much harder for bigger folks to carry concealed than mid-sized people.

I have a whole bag full of holsters, but nothing works well. The problem is that most jackets are already short on me, and there ain't a lot of room in my pants! :D

Best solution I have come up with is an Al Mar tac-jacket with an internal pocket with a reinforced nylon pad in there. I can carry my Glock 19 or a S&W 19 .357 in there no problem, and it is very hard to see it.

I put so much $ and time into the Colt that I wouldn't want to carry it anyway. However I have looked at the new Kimbers and they are very nice; I also like the Sig 245 compact model. Still, in this state it is impossible to get a CCW no matter what you do, so my only option is to carry illegally when I have to. I have paid hundreds in fees, taken CCW classes, and taken pistol courses, only to have my applications for permits summarily denied.

Norm
 
Woolrich is now making Tactical coats and vests...you may wish to check this out (I also have found that it's O.K. to be big, or to be tall, just not big AND tall). I carry mine inside the waistband, and I weigh a little more than you, Norm. The probable difference is that I quit caring if anybody thought I was carrying, and since I'm comfortable, I can't see that anyone notices. I'm sorry you don't live in a "shall issue" state....

Edited to add: I would suggest the only thing you carry should be the one you practice with regularly, and find another 'bedside stand' piece....or use the one for both kinds of duty.
 
BruiseLeee said:
How about one of thems dessert egos in feefty aye eee? :) ;)
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Bruise, I think you would get a hernia carrying one of those Dessert for Iglles things around. There are two laying in the local gunshop, and they have been there a while.
 
The 1911 .45 auto is the accidental discharge king of all handguns. Several people I know have done the right a** cheek qualification, as well as the floorboard airconditioning. Cocked & Locked is the way to go if you decide to carry one, but watch out on the de-cock. Someone mentioned the .22 barrel conversion/swap for the 1911 .45, that might be a great option for you. Cheap to practice and you get the .45 for carry, sounds good!
 
jurassicnarc44 said:
The reverse is true. The original Colt Commander had an alloy frame (I have one) and functioned very well. ... After a few years, the all steel model assumed the name Commander, and the original alloy frame suddenly became the Commander Lightweight, serial numbers began with CLW 00XXX. This all happened 25-30 years ago, and might have missed your attention :D
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You are correct! I did get them reversed.
 
The 1911 .45 auto is the accidental discharge king of all handguns.>>>>> John Galt

In all the years I've studied firearms, I've never seen this seriously stated.
Certainly to a new generation of shooters, a single action weapon may be unfamiliar. I've never seen accidental discharge disproportionately assigned to the 1911, however. Maybe Spectre or Rishar or one of the young techno whizzes will show up to gainsay my dinosaur knowledge, though.

Seems to me we had a rash of accidental discharges as the newer double action only systems were introduced. I suspect all of this is a matter of training.


munk
 
johngalt said:
The 1911 .45 auto is the accidental discharge king of all handguns.
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That sounds about right. I know a guy who shot himself in the crotch with one (front IWB carry). Seems like everyone knows someone who has blown a hole in themselves with these fine pieces.

The Model 37 Ithaca is my nominee for AD Champion of Shotguns too.
 
I have a Ruger Mark III; it's basically a Mark II modified for lawyers. Includes a magazine disconnect, chamber-loaded indicator and internal key lock (:barf: ). If you can get past those "features," it appears to be every bit as tough, accurate and reliable as its predecessor. I'm quite happy with it.

I've sold two Sigs and a FNP-9 because I could never get comfortable shooting the DA/SA trigger system. Tried to learn to love them but just couldn't do it. I usually carry a Hi-Power, 1911 or Glock.

I've never had a ND; I think "AD" is a misnomer that should only be applied to a situation involving a mechanical failure. I just can't for the life of me figure out why anyone in their right mind would attempt to decock a 1911 with a chambered round. :confused:
 
munk said:
The 1911 .45 auto is the accidental discharge king of all handguns.>>>>> John Galt

In all the years I've studied firearms, I've never seen this seriously stated.
Certainly to a new generation of shooters, a single action weapon may be unfamiliar. I've never seen accidental discharge disproportionately assigned to the 1911, however. Maybe Spectre or Rishar or one of the young techno whizzes will show up to gainsay my dinosaur knowledge, though.

Seems to me we had a rash of accidental discharges as the newer double action only systems were introduced. I suspect all of this is a matter of training.
munk
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Your experience with double action semi-autos and accidental discharges is like my own. The very few 'accidental' discharges around the DEA were all perpetrated by the guys who told us how safe their double action autos were, just before the loud noise. No one, NO one in DEA let hammers down to rest on live rounds. Condition One, cocked and locked is correct, and I never found mine off safe once I put it on, Safety is between the ears!
 
munk said:
The 1911 .45 auto is the accidental discharge king of all handguns.>>>>> John Galt

In all the years I've studied firearms, I've never seen this seriously stated.
Certainly to a new generation of shooters, a single action weapon may be unfamiliar. I've never seen accidental discharge disproportionately assigned to the 1911, however. Maybe Spectre or Rishar or one of the young techno whizzes will show up to gainsay my dinosaur knowledge, though.

Seems to me we had a rash of accidental discharges as the newer double action only systems were introduced. I suspect all of this is a matter of training.


munk
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Hi Munk:

Just a thought, to address the double action injuries you mention.

When law enforcement agencies needed more fire power they switched to semi automatic pistols. The downside to much of this was that most officers were not proficient with firearms. A revolver was easier to train them on than a pistol. It's easier to see if a revolver is unloaded than a pistol of any kind.

Pistols have an inherently greater danger of an accidential discharge than any revolver. Most pistols issued were double action/single action. Perhaps that explains the higher accidential discharges than with the less frequently issued single action only pistol.

This is not to say that many LEO's haven't been brought up with firearms. But many recruits from city environments have never fired a gun, much less a pistol. So more training would be required.

I'm not sure I presented this clearly.
 
You said it fine, Steve. You haven't been here long enough to realise I'm a gun loon, 45/70's a loon, jurrasicnarc....heck.....the whole forum is full of gun nuts. Anyway, we know about the transition from the revolver to semi auto and DAO Semi auto's.



munk
 
raghorn said:
I have a Ruger Mark III; it's basically a Mark II modified for lawyers. Includes a magazine disconnect, chamber-loaded indicator and internal key lock...

... I usually carry a Hi-Power, 1911 or Glock.
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I was looking at the Ruger with all of the "saftey" devices. I'll probably get one of those in the next coupla months unless i can find a Mark 2.

Who still makes the Hi-Power?
 
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