Most Overrated Folder

[Sosa]

No, it's the people who start to say "butthurt" and "Take it easy tiger" to be patronizing putzes, and "Everyone is entitled to their opinion" as a way of saying, except you tiger.

mjpgolf1 nails it, this thread is asking for trouble and dumbass comments. Obviously.

This thread is enjoyable for some. If no like there's plenty of others to participate in.

 

[singularity35]

(laughing) because a piece of sharpened flint would cut right through my pocket and into my leg.Might be sharp for a very long time but I'd have a permanent limp from the muscle damage.Never mind that little trail of blood you see as I walk back down the hall.

You can hang it around your neck..

And yeh, aren't pants pockets something? Maybe we shouldn't have stopped wearing skins too...

 

[bghorn]

I can't comment on the Manix XL because I've never even held one. However Spyderco is on top of the knife world for good reason, so a couple people on a knife forum saying that one knife they make flexes too much isn't going to stop them from putting out great knives and it's certainly not going to stop the masses of serious knife collectors and user,from buying their products.

I wasn't bashing Spyderco, I was giving you two examples you asked for. I do own and use Manix 2 XL and I did have original Manix as well. I also own other Spyderco knives including knives from Tenacious lineup. And where else is the better place to discus knives than knife forum?

As for Golden the PM2 is a legend and is in the pockets of thousands of knife fanatics. It's brought up every time someone asks what the best production edc folder they should buy. There is a reason for that. I don't personally own a Manix but it's the same kind of buzz with that as the Paramilitary 2.

Yep, and Manix 2/Manix 2 XL are nowhere close to PM2/Military yet they get the same kind of buzz by "knife fanatics" (your words). If that isn't the definition of overrated then nothing is.

As for the Tenacious and the other value line Spyderco knives they are a great knife for that $40 price range. Just because something is made in the USA doesn't make it better. Just look at American made automobiles compared to the imports and that should be all the proof one needs to put that thought process to rest. For a $40 knife with good steel and a great company name behind it the value line Spydercos are wonderful. All the Tenacious and Persistance knives that I've had or handled have had great fit and finish for the price.

They were great value when they came out and held that position for a while. However, it is year 2016, competition not only caught up in this segment, but overtook it by significant margin.

As Ruggdog stated above. These threads are really awful and all they do is piss people off that spend their hard earned money on knives they like only to have someone say that they are overpriced garbage. I'm guilty of bashing certain brands too, but I'm going to make an effort to avoid doing that from here on out because I can see how all that does is create controversy amongst people that share a similar interest and should be celebrating each other's aquisitions and not spitting all over them. its just not necessary to do and threads like this shouldn't even be allowed anymore.

Awful only for the brand fanboys. With exclusion of brand bashing, it has certainly been very informative thread to me.

 

[singularity35]

Yep, and Manix 2/Manix 2 XL are nowhere close to PM2/Military yet they get the same kind of buzz by "knife fanatics" (your words). If that isn't the definition of overrated then nothing is.

Anything can get all 'buzzy". It is only overrated when it doesn't live up to the buzz. If it lives up to the "buzz", then it's rated just right, no?

 

[bghorn]

Anything can get all 'buzzy". It is only overrated when it doesn't live up to the buzz. If it lives up to the "buzz", then it's rated just right, no?

In my opinion (based on using it), Manix 2 XL does not live up to that buzz which is mainly build upon reputation of the original Manix and assumptions that weight reduction measures, which work sufficiently well on Manix 2, translate equally well into Manix 2 XL. They don't. Not by a long shot.

 

[stabman]

In my opinion (based on using it), Manix 2 XL does not live up to that buzz which is mainly build upon reputation of the original Manix and assumptions that weight reduction measures, which work sufficiently well on Manix 2, translate equally well into Manix 2 XL. They don't. Not by a long shot.

My stepbrother has a Manix 2 XL.
Uses it hard in a metal fabrication shop.

I didn't like it when I held it so I did not get one.
He uses the hell out of it though, and it holds up extremely well.
Keep in mind this is a guy who has worn out other knives, and considers them tools to be replaced when worn out; he is by no means a "Knife Knut."
You will never see any pictures of knives taken by him, nor is he a member here.

In real life use by someone who cares only about performance, it is still going strong.

 

[smith357]

Anything with only one blade.

 

[bghorn]

My stepbrother has a Manix 2 XL.
Uses it hard in a metal fabrication shop.

I didn't like it when I held it so I did not get one.
He uses the hell out of it though, and it holds up extremely well.
Keep in mind this is a guy who has worn out other knives, and considers them tools to be replaced when worn out; he is by no means a "Knife Knut."
You will never see any pictures of knives taken by him, nor is he a member here.

In real life use by someone who cares only about performance, it is still going strong.

Yes, I've read that many times. Always the same story. I know (insert family member, friend, neighbor ninja) who uses it really hard in (insert tough sounding place) in real life.

Well, sorry, but I use my knives mostly in my innocent non-threatening flowers growing backyard and in gentle make·shift workshop full of kittens.
And I certainly can't help if my knife usage is classified as simulation by the real life experts.

According to fanboys It's hard use only if used in metal fabrication, dropped in furnace in steel foundry, used in war zone, cutting plutonium rods in nuclear reactor or chopping rocks on the moon.

But you know what? Knives don't care. And I don't care about your definition of what constitutes hard use.

All I know is that for my usage, Manix 2 XL is not up to the task, original Manix was.


Original Manix = Solidly built, tough, heavy duty, beefy, hard use folder. Deserving all the prize it got.
Manix 2 XL = undeservedly lives off of the reputation of the original Manix. Flimsy, overrated, equipped with mall ninja features, lightened to be used by folks who couldn't lift 1 ounce heavier original Manix.

Most people who used both would agree with that, including large number of Spyderco fanboys, but they'll admit that only on official Spyderco forums. Never here.

 

[stabman]

According to fanboys

Or according to real life use by people who use knives.

You don't like it; I get it.
You are allowed to.

You appear to be passive aggressively trying to imply that I or others who have different experiences are liars, and you do not get a pass on that. :thumbdn:

I don't work in a metal fabrication shop (used to work in machining, but I had a crappy old fixed blade for the shop...didn't own any Spydercos or such knives then), nor do I chop rocks on the moon, or any of the other snarky, deliberately ridiculous things you listed.
I also don't cut flowers in my non-existent backyard, but somehow my Spyderco knives (and my Zero Tolerance, Benchmade and even Cold Steel ones) all work fine.

Original Manix = Solidly built, tough, heavy duty, beefy, hard use folder. Deserving all the prize it got.

The original has skeletonized liners too.
And a full flat grind, along with a thin tip.

 

[jill jackson]

Yes, I've read that many times. Always the same story. I know (insert family member, friend, neighbor ninja) who uses it really hard in (insert tough sounding place) in real life.

Well, sorry, but I use my knives mostly in my innocent non-threatening flowers growing backyard and in gentle make·shift workshop full of kittens.
And I certainly can't help if my knife usage is classified as simulation by the real life experts.

According to fanboys It's hard use only if used in metal fabrication, dropped in furnace in steel foundry, used in war zone, cutting plutonium rods in nuclear reactor or chopping rocks on the moon.

But you know what? Knives don't care. And I don't care about your definition of what constitutes hard use.

All I know is that for my usage, Manix 2 XL is not up to the task, original Manix was.


Original Manix = Solidly built, tough, heavy duty, beefy, hard use folder. Deserving all the prize it got.
Manix 2 XL = undeservedly lives off of the reputation of the original Manix. Flimsy, overrated, equipped with mall ninja features, lightened to be used by folks who couldn't lift 1 ounce heavier original Manix.

Most people who used both would agree with that, including large number of Spyderco fanboys, but they'll admit that only on official Spyderco forums. Never here.

These are the original Manix. Then the ball lock Manix came along.

 

[stabman]

These are the original Manix. Then the ball lock Manix came along.

I like the original Mini Manix. Have one of those still.
My brother has two of them, one as a back-up just in case the one gets lost or whatever.
Uses the hell out of it too...perhaps because he does not work in a metal fabrication plant, this will be believable...

 

[rycen]

This thread would go a little smoother if opinions were not stated as facts.

 

[stabman]

This thread would go a little smoother if opinions were not stated as facts.

True, but judgements such as "overrated" tend to get read and presented as facts.
Such a judgement truly is just an opinion, but somehow it reads as far more solid than that.

 

[bghorn]

according to real life

You're bringing up that a lot.
Is there any other kind?

I also don't cut flowers in my non-existent backyard, but somehow my Spyderco knives (and my Zero Tolerance, Benchmade and even Cold Steel ones) all work fine.

Sure. Some will argue that AWD crossover is as off-road worthy as Wrangler Rubicon because they drove it on graded dirt road and it did just fine.

 

[stabman]

You're bringing up that a lot.
Is there any other kind?



Sure. Some will argue that AWD crossover is as off-road worthy as Wrangler Rubicon because they drove it on graded dirt road and it did just fine.

There is internet life.
In internet life, Omega springs rust and break all the time.
In real life, I have never seen it, or met anyone who has experienced it.

As for car analogies, they don't mean squat to me.
The last car I had cost $500 and died back in 2001.
Been using the bus since then...bet an AWD or Rubicon would seem pretty awesome compared to the bus.
If you have an extra one of either that you don't want, I'll take it for free.

 

[bghorn]

The original has skeletonized liners too.
And a full flat grind, along with a thin tip.

IIRC It had full liners at first. then it came with round holes. And I believe g10 scales were a tad thicker too.
Blade didn't taper as quickly as in manix 2 XL, that is, it had a stronger tip, and blade was made out of slightly heavier stock, 0.156 vs 0.125

 

[jill jackson]

I have one of the first, Manix XL (ball lock) and yes it has solid steel liners.

 

[bghorn]

There is internet life.
In internet life, Omega springs rust and break all the time.
In real life, I have never seen it, or met anyone who has experienced it.

Can't comment on that. I discuss knives I have or did have.

Been using the bus since then...bet an AWD or Rubicon would seem pretty awesome compared to the bus.
If you have an extra one of either that you don't want, I'll take it for free.

Sorry, I would but wife is breaking them faster than I can buy them.

 

[singularity35]

In my opinion (based on using it), Manix 2 XL does not live up to that buzz which is mainly build upon reputation of the original Manix and assumptions that weight reduction measures, which work sufficiently well on Manix 2, translate equally well into Manix 2 XL. They don't. Not by a long shot.

That would be your opinion. It seems that a lot of people differ with your opinion seeing as Spyderco seems to be selling a lot and these seem to be not be breaking as much as yours while getting used in various situations.

This thread would go a little smoother if opinions were not stated as facts.

This.