Most sheeple friendly tactical knife?

[Bobby Craig]

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[RevDevil]

Why Are You Worried About Sheeple

I think you best sheeple friendly knife wood be an SMF or a Millie

Cold Steel Espada XL. make sure when you whip it out of your pocket you do a crazy maniacal laugh: Muuaahahahahaha ! ! ! !

 

[Franciscomv]

I just make sure to have a SAK in addition to whatever else I'm carrying. There are tons of models, most of them are quite affordable, the tools come in handy from time to time and nobody sees them as threatening.

I've even given some as gifts to people who aren't into knives, mostly Classics.

 

[viva la]

If you don't go past 3 inches, you can't get into the vital organs when you use a knife. Remember that reach also increases damage by several folds, in both slashing and stabbing.

1) did you fail basic anatomy?

2) you assume I would be going for the organs. I may or may not. My first target will be hands and arms.

Other targets would include armpits, throat, joints, abdomen, crotch. None of these targets need more than an inch or so to do MAJOR damage.

3) ability trumps reach every time, size is irrelevant if you don't know how to use it.

 

[bubblewhip]

1) did you fail basic anatomy?

2) you assume I would be going for the organs. I may or may not. My first target will be hands and arms.

Other targets would include armpits, throat, joints, abdomen, crotch. None of these targets need more than an inch or so to do MAJOR damage.

3) ability trumps reach every time, size is irrelevant if you don't know how to use it.

Well then how deep are the vital organs on most people? (assuming full grown men)

 

[Volk]

wow, sorry to interrupt, but I can' believe you are having this discussion about how deep you have to stab somebody. Seriously?

 

[bubblewhip]

wow, sorry to interrupt, but I can' believe you are having this discussion about how deep you have to stab somebody. Seriously?

Well apparently no one can verify this, except for throwing around vague generalizations of basically going like "it's so obvious." with no information to back it up. Thanks you guys are super helpful. Anyways why are we having this discussion? I wanted large 3.5 inch or greater knife that is fast to open that doesn't look super intimidating to the public. Not to debate how much damage a 2 inch blade can do. I don't care, I want a longer blade, I want more reach, it does more damage and gives me more distance against someone.

 

[Volk]

Well apparently no one can verify this, except for throwing around vague generalizations of basically going like "it's so obvious." with no information to back it up. Thanks you guys are super helpful. Anyways why are we having this discussion? I wanted large 3.5 inch or greater knife that is fast to open that doesn't look super intimidating to the public. Not to debate how much damage a 2 inch blade can do. I don't care, I want a longer blade, I want more reach, it does more damage and gives me more distance against someone.

Its OK to want longer blades, and I have no problem with your OP, as it presents a valid point you feel comfortable carrying a specific type of knife, for what ever purpose and you don't feel like calling attention to it. I'm EDCing Emerson CQC-10, and find it comfortable, and due to its simple blade design I don't feel like its overly intimidating.

However when you ask how deep are vital organs are, it sounds like you are bringing a wrong tool for the job (literally a knife to a gunfight).

If you really want to know take an anatomy class, or first aid classes. I'm not going to go into where and what must be cut or stabbed.

 

[Apec]

I was arrested at my university back in 01 with a Buck/Strider 880 tanto. Totally legal. Turns out a broad I was hitting on had an old man already. He called campus PD (my former employer the semester before) saying I had a handgun in my dorm. I had visited the local indoor range 2 weeks prior firing a rental HK USP45 and had the target taped on my wall, along with a few empties as a souvenir. Police made contact with me around 2200 while I was on bladeforums in the computer lab. It seems God has a sense of humor. I have never owned a firearm in my life, beyond what was issued to me in Iraq. They found no firearms in my dorm and called the pistol range and was corroborated. I didn't do shit to cause any of this except for hitting on the wrong piece of meat. Got a well known lawyer and after a 6 month continuance, the judge accepted his motion to dismiss because no law was broken. The police will take any chance to file a charge against you just to see if you fall for it and plead out. Once charges have been filed, the DA will not reverse them. If he did, it would put his "integrity" as a tuff on crime DA into question.

Long story short, I fought the law and I won! The Buck/Strider 880 is long past traded/sold but it is arguably the most expensive production folder once my lawyer's fees were totaled.

Great story. I despise people who'd jump to making false accusations to the police just to deal with a personal issue.

 

[DreamHawk]

Well apparently no one can verify this, except for throwing around vague generalizations of basically going like "it's so obvious." with no information to back it up. Thanks you guys are super helpful. Anyways why are we having this discussion? I wanted large 3.5 inch or greater knife that is fast to open that doesn't look super intimidating to the public. Not to debate how much damage a 2 inch blade can do. I don't care, I want a longer blade, I want more reach, it does more damage and gives me more distance against someone.

It's not exactly secret knowledge, and I don't exactly consider telling you "where to stab to effectively kill someone" as "helpful". If you're looking for that kind of "help" I suggest you look elsewhere. I can tell you that a "tactical" swisschamp upside the dome in brick fashion is all you really need, forget reach.

You're obviously young, and probably a little too wet behind the ears to carry any blade the way you speak about them. And on that point might I suggest you take a step back seriously consider using ANY knife for self defense, It can be used against you. If you're old enough, get a gun. Shooting someone in self defense is honestly more favorable in court than turning someone even an assailant into swiss cheese with a knife.

If you're still dead set on a defense blade, I think the guys here have given awesome recommendations. Honestly though, I'm scared of people like you carrying knives and just waiting for the opportunity to use it.

 

[bubblewhip]

Its OK to want longer blades, and I have no problem with your OP, as it presents a valid point you feel comfortable carrying a specific type of knife, for what ever purpose and you don't feel like calling attention to it. I'm EDCing Emerson CQC-10, and find it comfortable, and due to its simple blade design I don't feel like its overly intimidating.

However when you ask how deep are vital organs are, it sounds like you are bringing a wrong tool for the job (literally a knife to a gunfight).

If you really want to know take an anatomy class, or first aid classes. I'm not going to go into where and what must be cut or stabbed.

Maybe I can't bring a gun. Maybe I can't even bring a police baton which I acknowledge is better than a knife, not even pepper spray. But knives have no limitation as far as blade length goes where I live.

If you don't know how deep the organs are, don't imply I'm an idiot for not exactly knowing when you don't know it yourself. I never said how long a blade needs to be to stab, but implied how long it needs to do in order to do "incapacitating damage"

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You're obviously young, and probably a little too wet behind the ears to carry any blade the way you speak about them. And on that point might I suggest you take a step back seriously consider using ANY knife for self defense, It can be used against you. If you're old enough, get a gun. Shooting someone in self defense is honestly more favorable in court than turning someone even an assailant into swiss cheese with a knife.

*Sigh*... Like I said, I can't carry a gun, I can't carry a police baton, I can't carry pepper spray. All of which I acknowledge are much more effective then the "tactical folder." I don't plan on getting into knife fights or prolonged "combat' with a blade. If anything a knife is going to be a "get off me" weapon for me or my loved ones. I don't want him to chase me, I don't want him to be able to continue engaging me.

And again someone says I'm obviously wrong when there is no one giving definitive information as to how deep I have to go in order to reach vital organs. I want 3 inches or more. Especially if the person is wearing any sort of clothing which means I'm going to need more reach.

And your suggesting me in a defensive situation that I shouldn't use a knife if given the option? That sure makes sense. And in the case of legality, where I would employ a knife is when negotiation fails, i.e giving him money, giving him my wallet, my car, ect. and I'm left with a, I'm either going to be hurt really badly or going to die. I'd rather deal with court than 6 feet of dirt, or a coma, (or worse in my mind, my loved one ever getting hurt).

 

[Kiah]

I would think the most "sheeple" friendly knife, while still being "tactical", would be a one-hand SAK with a pocket clip. I don't know if you can get them stock with a clip, but SwissBianco has 'em I think. Of course, you could add a clip yourself.

 

[Volk]

Maybe I can't bring a gun. Maybe I can't even bring a police baton which I acknowledge is better than a knife, not even pepper spray. But knives have no limitation as far as blade length goes where I live.

If you don't know how deep the organs are, don't imply I'm an idiot for not exactly knowing when you don't know it yourself. I never said how long a blade needs to be to stab, but implied how long it needs to do in order to do "incapacitating damage"

I live in Los Angles county, I know exactly what you mean, as to what you can, and can't bring. And we can carry any size folder as long as its concealed. I also know that if I use a knife in a fight I'm royally screwed in court, exactly because I know where to stab (also due to the fact that I don't want to reach those vital points, and using a knife in a non lethal fashion here is a big no-no.)

And my bringing a knife to a gunfight comment didn't mean to tell you you should bring a gun. Using knives as weapons to kill, should be left to professionals, who's work description involves, "may or may not come back alive" clause in their contract. And those people use knives in a whole other way then for self defense.

I'm not implying you are an idiot. I don't want you to get hurt. And I'm trying my best here not to sound condescending. But there is a reason why they don't let you bring even nail clippers on a plane. And if you can't see that, it doesn't mean you are stupid, it means you are missing some important information (that one day may save your life, god forbid you get hurt) taking those mentioned classes would help you out (god willing will turn you into a doctor or something)

I also think (at least I very much hope so) you are asking about the last resort type of situation. So using a knife there might be better then nothing. In such case as I said before I don't see any problem with people suggestion which knives to carry. Its when people start talking where and how to use those knives then it usually gets ridiculous.

 

[DreamHawk]

Bubble, I see the genuine interest in what you're saying. In a life threatening situation though, 99% of the time you CAN in fact get away. Asking for a sheeple friendly knife is one thing, but asking what length it needs to be to kill or seriously incapacitate someone needs to goto prac tac, or just do some research on the human body. Old anatomy text books are available on craigslist rather cheap.

I'll tell you a story. I was attacked at a gas station by a beligerant guy looking for a fight. I was standing at the gas pump, minding my own business, pumping fuel into my truck. The truck was running but it's a diesel, and it's no biggy. I won't go into flash points or anything....anyways this guy proceeds to block my truck in, there was a car behind me, he pulled in front. The guy yells at me from his truck apparently cursing me for leaving my truck running, and throwing all kinds of insults. Baffled, I walked up to the gentlemans window and politely told him I will shut the truck off if it bothers him but it's a diesel and the flashpoints are much greater with diesel fuel and it wasn't a big deal. I guess he took it as an insult to his intelligence because he gave me a string of select curse words and proceeded to jump out of his truck in an aggressive manner. Well I shut his door on him, which angered him even more, and he came out of the truck, through his shirt to the side and brandished a firearm on his hip. As I began to back up, and the man closed in within 10ft of me, he went for his gun, and was going to draw on me, and then what? I acted as I think anyone should, and I caught him with my fist in his jaw before he ever got the gun out of it's holster. This entire time I was conscious of the fact that in my right pocket, there was a benchmade pardue 530. I'd probably consider that a self defense knife, but to me it's just a tool and a wicked knife! The guy was down, and still had his firearm. He attempted to pull the weapon again from a sitting position. I won't describe what I did next, but I used my FIST to do it. By that time other people were around, then man jumped into his ironically STILL RUNNING truck and fled the scene.

The moral of this story? I'm extremely lucky, and could have indeed used my knife, in all legality against said gentleman the second he was within 10ft of me and brandished his firearm. The police confirmed this. But I didn't use it. You don't NEED a knife to save your life. I hope that kinda portrays the meaning that you should choose a knife because you like knives, and enjoy the hobby rather than its "ability" to hurt someone!!

 

[bubblewhip]

I live in Los Angles county, I know exactly what you mean, as to what you can, and can't bring. And we can carry any size folder as long as its concealed. I also know that if I use a knife in a fight I'm royally screwed in court, exactly because I know where to stab (also due to the fact that I don't want to reach those vital points, and using a knife in a non lethal fashion here is a big no-no.)

And my bringing a knife to a gunfight comment didn't mean to tell you you should bring a gun. Using knives as weapons to kill, should be left to professionals, who's work description involves, "may or may not come back alive" clause in their contract. And those people use knives in a whole other way then for self defense.

I'm not implying you are an idiot. I don't want you to get hurt. And I'm trying my best here not to sound condescending. But there is a reason why they don't let you bring even nail clippers on a plane. And if you can't see that, it doesn't mean you are stupid, it means you are missing some important information (that one day may save your life, god forbid you get hurt) taking those mentioned classes would help you out (god willing will turn you into a doctor or something)

I also think (at least I very much hope so) you are asking about the last resort type of situation. So using a knife there might be better then nothing. In such case as I said before I don't see any problem with people suggestion which knives to carry. Its when people start talking where and how to use those knives then it usually gets ridiculous.

Yes blades should be left for professionals and experts in their craft, however I carry one for primary utility. The most my 4 inch blades kill are oranges on a daily basis. Though in the back of my mind I know it can be and is basically the only option other than my fists in defensive situations. I never said I knew or wanted to know vital organs on a person body in order to incapacitate him, all I established is a point that you made that a 2 1/2 blade is not that much different from a 4 inch to 5 inch blade in terms of reach, and just contrasted that I said you needed at least 3 inches to get into vital organs. And then this thread went down hill from there as you and dreamhawk started arguing my point and I think you forgot what we were talking about on some lines because I never asked where were the vital organs. You implied I was an idiot with your line "Did you fail basic anatomy?" And then I asked "well how deep is it?" And then no one gave me a clear answer.

Bubble, I see the genuine interest in what you're saying. In a life threatening situation though, 99% of the time you CAN in fact get away. Asking for a sheeple friendly knife is one thing, but asking what length it needs to be to kill or seriously incapacitate someone needs to goto prac tac, or just do some research on the human body. Old anatomy text books are available on craigslist rather cheap.

I'll tell you a story. I was attacked at a gas station by a beligerant guy looking for a fight. I was standing at the gas pump, minding my own business, pumping fuel into my truck. The truck was running but it's a diesel, and it's no biggy. I won't go into flash points or anything....anyways this guy proceeds to block my truck in, there was a car behind me, he pulled in front. The guy yells at me from his truck apparently cursing me for leaving my truck running, and throwing all kinds of insults. Baffled, I walked up to the gentlemans window and politely told him I will shut the truck off if it bothers him but it's a diesel and the flashpoints are much greater with diesel fuel and it wasn't a big deal. I guess he took it as an insult to his intelligence because he gave me a string of select curse words and proceeded to jump out of his truck in an aggressive manner. Well I shut his door on him, which angered him even more, and he came out of the truck, through his shirt to the side and brandished a firearm on his hip. As I began to back up, and the man closed in within 10ft of me, he went for his gun, and was going to draw on me, and then what? I acted as I think anyone should, and I caught him with my fist in his jaw before he ever got the gun out of it's holster. This entire time I was conscious of the fact that in my right pocket, there was a benchmade pardue 530. I'd probably consider that a self defense knife, but to me it's just a tool and a wicked knife! The guy was down, and still had his firearm. He attempted to pull the weapon again from a sitting position. I won't describe what I did next, but I used my FIST to do it. By that time other people were around, then man jumped into his ironically STILL RUNNING truck and fled the scene.

The moral of this story? I'm extremely lucky, and could have indeed used my knife, in all legality against said gentleman the second he was within 10ft of me and brandished his firearm. The police confirmed this. But I didn't use it. You don't NEED a knife to save your life. I hope that kinda portrays the meaning that you should choose a knife because you like knives, and enjoy the hobby rather than its "ability" to hurt someone!!

Again, I never asked how long a blade needs to be in order to reach vital organs. I took a stance on Viva's opinion that a 2 1/2 inch blade is similar defensive reach to a 4 inch blade and that there isn't too much of a difference by saying that you need at least 3 inches to reach vital organs of the human body. I never asked where to stab someone I never wanted to know that. Because I already know that for myself.

And yes nice story, and I know you don't need a knife to save your life, but in my personal experience and several years of Karate, fists are really overrated tools. You maybe able to down a person with one blow of your fist, but a lot of people are incapable of that. We need tools, equalizers like pepper spray, police batons, and firearms as well as "tactical folders" to help use retain an edge against our opponents at all times. Some of these are legal, a lot of them are not.

I carry and collect knives because I do like them. I like my SAK's I like my Bucks and whatever, but I also like them for some of their abilities to preform in a role that maybe everyday use or life saving, whether that be for rescuing someone out of a car or in self defense of myself or another.

Let it be clear that I never look forward to actually using my knife in a deadly situation. Neither do I want to know all the intricacies of knife fighting and be like Michael Janich or something. (although I do watch some of his videos sometimes). I do realize the reality of my life in several situations that I have encountered where I was weaponless and a weapon would have been a comforting item encase if the situation that I was in ever went south.

Don't you admit you took a chance with deciding to punch him rather than actually stab him? Granted the decisions at sometimes might be that pulling a knife out wastes precious seconds that you might disable him now. But there's a lot of what ifs that happen with fists. What if he's a total badass and takes your blow like nothing? Pushes you away and fills you with holes? I would much rather have the much more definitive result of stabbing him possibly in a vital organ like the heart. (remember he did brandish and go for a deadly weapon) and shut down his system immediately not taking any chances with my life. I'm not someone wanting to kill someone either, if someone used fists at me, I'd probably react with using a impact weapon like my leatherman or a knife in closed position (yeah I know the legalities that it's still use of a deadly weapon) Hopefully bringing him down that way enough for me to run away or something.

Anyways I think this was a misunderstanding, I never wanted to ask where locations of vital organs were, you just contested that you didn't need 3 inches to reach vital organs and I asked you to prove it. Let's forget this happened and get back to the topic at hand.

 

[viva la]

Well apparently no one can verify this, except for throwing around vague generalizations of basically going like "it's so obvious." with no information to back it up. Thanks you guys are super helpful. Anyways why are we having this discussion? I wanted large 3.5 inch or greater knife that is fast to open that doesn't look super intimidating to the public. Not to debate how much damage a 2 inch blade can do. I don't care, I want a longer blade, I want more reach, it does more damage and gives me more distance against someone.

I'm not arguing how deep organs are, it is a silly argument. I am saying that you can carry a nonthreatening 2" blade and still do serious damage. THAT is the topic at hand. Hell, give someone a 1/8 inch deep cut in the right place and they will bleed out.

These threads always turn into arguements of "you NEED this kind of knife" and I am simply saying you don't need any KIND of knife. Any knife will do the job. "Tactical" IMO is a stupid way to describe a knife.

My WH Pitaki is a "tactical" knife, because it could be used in a tactical way if I needed it to. AND it is very nonthreatening with a 2" blade, copper, titanium, ironwood. It even comes with its own little purse.

 

[viva la]

I took a stance on Viva's opinion that a 2 1/2 inch blade is similar defensive reach to a 4 inch blade and that there isn't too much of a difference by saying that you need at least 3 inches to reach vital organs of the human body.

it does, and you don't. End of story...if you don't understand that, then you don't understand how to defend yourself with a knife.

If you are anywhere near VT, come on out and I can show you much more effectively than it can be described here. (not a threat, just an open invitation).

 

[DreamHawk]

"Well apparently no one can verify this, except for throwing around vague generalizations of basically going like "it's so obvious." with no information to back it up. "

Statement above, quoted for the second time is kinda proof that you wanted to know how deep a knife needed to go to hit vital organs. You kinda brought it here. lol. Were not trying to insult you or even make you feel stupid. My story wasn't to put across the point that "I'm a badass and can knock people out with one punch" you totally missed my point. Scrawny or big if you use your brain, the point is 99.9999% of confrontations are AVOIDABLE and that way you leave with your life.....and your knife! :]

For the record, do you know what "the button" is? I don't care how "bad ass" someone is, there are nerves linked to the central nervous system running through the jaw, if they get pinched or tweaked the person is down, bad ass that can take a million punches or not. Being in karate I don't know if they teach you that, but I'd always consider that before stabbing a fellow.

I took an awful chance deciding to punch the guy, absolutely, but I used my head, saw the the firearm was a means to push people around, and decided NOT to have his blood on my hands. I sure am glad I didn't use my knife too, because I'd have to live with the memory of sticking that guy for the rest of my life. Anyways, I'm off the soap box now and I will offer some suggestions for you. I don't agree with your mindset, but I do see a genuine collector in you too.....I dunno, just don't be an idiot and I'd look at EVERY other option before ever using my blade. The courts are brutal sir.

Ok, so this is in my opinion the most sheeple friendly tactical folder. Plus you get a toothpick, tweezers, and a screwdriver.....can't beat that. The swiss army carries a variation of this knife. One of my favorite knives I own.

This next one is beautiful, and I'd also consider it a functional "tactical" knife as much as it pains me to even use that word. Case XX zebra cheetah. Love this knife, had mine for a long time.

Next, I don't know if you're keen on fixed blades, but my little izula has never gotten me any weird looks, even when I carry it in my kydex belt sheath. It's small, but there's no end to what it can accomplish, quite literally. Mine is shown with the micarta scales, but you can take those off, and use it as a lightweight skeleton frame knife too.

 

[Volk]

Yes blades should be left for professionals and experts in their craft, however I carry one for primary utility. The most my 4 inch blades kill are oranges on a daily basis. Though in the back of my mind I know it can be and is basically the only option other than my fists in defensive situations. I never said I knew or wanted to know vital organs on a person body in order to incapacitate him, all I established is a point that you made that a 2 1/2 blade is not that much different from a 4 inch to 5 inch blade in terms of reach, and just contrasted that I said you needed at least 3 inches to get into vital organs. And then this thread went down hill from there as you and dreamhawk started arguing my point and I think you forgot what we were talking about on some lines because I never asked where were the vital organs. You implied I was an idiot with your line "Did you fail basic anatomy?" And then I asked "well how deep is it?" And then no one gave me a clear answer.

Please read my posts again, at no point did I enter the debate on how long the blade needs to be. I find discussions about what is the right shape for the knife to be the deadliest, ridiculous.

and I never said you failed them., and I'm not implying you are an idiot. Please don't misquote me, I said.

"If you really want to know take an anatomy class, or first aid classes."

By that I mean, your question will be answered there, if you look through medical cases, and educational literature, rather some mall ninja on the internet telling you what you need to stab. I should have probably said talk to a doctor, or nurses who deal with stab/slash wounds, they will be able to answer your question fully.

 

[RickT57]

I fail to see how using the word 'sheeple' has any value. Having knife fantasies does not make one an 'enlightened' person. In fact several people here really need professional help. If you wish people to accept your 'hobby' refrain from labeling them.