Mountain Lions, I have a new respect.

Ed Fowler said:
I got an email the other day recommending wasp spray as more effective than the pepper spray and can be used at longer distances + it is cheaper. Also good for protection against human predators and no laws against it!!
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Except for the part where the label says it is a violation of law to use it for anything other than its intended purpose.
 
Ron Athay said:
While working on Kodiak Island, a local told me that brown bears (Kodiak Bears) have learned to identify gun shots and bell sounds as "food" bells. This has created a serious problem for deer hunters. You are not permitted to "defend" your kill.
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I was just about to say something similar. I think many of the bears in Alberta have learned it to be like a dinner bell. Another thing to consider with bells/noise makers is, if its an unfamiliar sound to the animal they may want to investigate instead of running from it.
 
dougo83 said:
Except for the part where the label says it is a violation of law to use it for anything other than its intended purpose.
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Laws ? Laws do not exist if I'm being attacked by anything bigger than a rat.


but there isn't a dog breed alive that can take a lion by themselves.
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This is very correct. I think the misconception comes from city folk with the usual breed of somewhat invincible pitbull.

There was talk of mountain lion sighting at a park known as Woodward here in my city, that is like 2 miles from my house.

Something to consider.


Tostig
 
Tostig said:
Laws ? Laws do not exist if I'm being attacked by anything bigger than a rat.
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That has no bearing on my response to Ed Fowler's post that there is no law prohibiting the use of wasp spray a defensive spray against anything, including humans.



Tostig said:
This is very correct. I think the misconception comes from city folk with the usual breed of somewhat invincible pitbull.
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There are most certainly dogs that can take out a cougar. I have seen it. Pits are far from the baddest dogs on the block. My smaller Rhody damn near ripped the head off of a pit when it charged me. Also, my two boys did, in fact, rip a cougar up. They are half Rhodesian/Half Dane. I am moderately confident that another large breed could do it as well. However, I don't know of any dog that could take down a coug one-on-one.
 
I had two disbelieving thoughts...

first--why have a gun without ammo readily available
second, I can't believe the woman hit it with the gun!
 
dougo83 said:
However, I don't know of any dog that could take down a coug one-on-one.
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This one might be able to...

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timcsaw said:
I read that it is real. That is the worlds heaviest (largest?) dog. He goes about 280 which is about 100 pounds more than the breed average.
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Must be a Mastiff. I used to work on a farm and the owners had 3 or 4 of them running around that easily weighed over 200#
 
I saw a black mountain lion at red rocks back in 76, turned around went back to the car and left, the end. Apparently i am one of not so many who have ever seen "said beast" in the wild. Apparently these cats have never been filmed or found dead, and thought not to have existed except for the "bigfoot type sightings" like mine.
 
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Most predators well know when we are in their territory. I have only been able to sneak up on a cat twice and that was pure luck. If a cat is intent on attacking you, you will probably never know until he is on you. That is their game and they are good at it.

I rely on knife and pistol where ever I go, but now make plenty of noise unless I am hunting, this includes a bell on my horse and one on my dog. (Mostly because I like the sound of bells). I will add that when your horse feel obvious, the sound of the bell when your dog runs through the brush behind you keeps you out of challenging situations.

I almost learned the hard way when fishing when walkng along a strem and met a sow with two cubs nose to nose. We stood looking at each other, not 15 feet between us! I ordered my Dog Blue out, she ducked back, the sow and I stared at each other, I felt she did not want to take me but would if she had to, I slowly backed out maintaining eye contact until I was out of sight. She "woffed", I waited and went back the way I was going and she and the cubs were long gone. All I had between me and the sow at that time was my 1946 vintage Wright McGill fly rod.

I have never had the desire to kill a bear or cat, to me they are beautiful animals. If I had the desire there would be 'trophies' hanging on my wall. The way it is there is only one, a coyote that was working my sheep and I nailed him at 380 yards at a full run (pass shot left) I rarely miss pass shots left. His mistake was being at the exact distance of my practice target. (223 hand load with a Hornady 50 grain SX) Bragging rights you bet!!!

When you hunt cats, especially older cats you will find them a real challenge. I use my camera, but feel good about the revolver in my shoulder holster.

My suggestion about the wasp spray was meant for folks who live in liberal country and can be predated upon by the law. It will be a moot question in court when you used it to protect yourself. (hopefully)

A college friend raised a starved out kitten on a bottle. We used to wrestle with him in the living room. One night he bit into my collar and it was serious. He raked me with his hind feet and I knew I was dead. My friend said "hit him" bellering "Bad Car" I did and he hid behind the couch.
I, with great reluctance looked down to my belly, he had kept his claws in, and they been out there would have been a real mess on the living room carpet. We never wrestled with him again! He only weighed about 75 pounds at the time, but his hind feet left bruses from my ribbs to my belt.

Soory to rant, but I hate to see folks using lethal force when they can enjoy nature without the necissity of killing it.
 
Hi all,

Great stories.
My mom still carries that wasp spray when she goes for a walk. I would hate to get that in my eyes and face lol YUCK.

Bryan
 
sicily02 said:
Hi all,

Great stories.
My mom still carries that wasp spray when she goes for a walk. I would hate to get that in my eyes and face lol YUCK.

Bryan
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I got wasp spray in my eyes once, it splashed off the nest, it took fifteen minutes of rinsing to stop them from burning. Pleasant stuff.
 
dougo83 said:
Snopes has apparently been discredited from time to time as well. Still looking for articles to back that up, I have only heard about it.
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Yeah, but I'll trust Snopes over an email or post on a forum any day. And Snopes is pretty good about updating their pages if presented with credible evidence that they are wrong, at least.
 
MustardMan said:
Yeah, but I'll trust Snopes over an email or post on a forum any day. And Snopes is pretty good about updating their pages if presented with credible evidence that they are wrong, at least.
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Probably in this case Snopes couldn't find any evidence that a dog that huge actually exists. I would also be dubious without some good evidence.
 
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