Mountain Lions, I have a new respect.

I'm not sure, but could this be the same dog and girl?

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MustardMan said:
Dog vs cougar you say? Just saw this one on Digg...

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/01/03/bc-boston-bar-cougar-attack.html
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When the RCMP arrived on scene minutes later, they found the cougar under the back porch of the house, chewing on Angel's neck.

An officer shot the cougar, killing it instantly.
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I think it is clear that the dog was done for if it weren't for a human with a gun - the truly most dangerous animal in the world!

But kudos to the dog for being brave & loyal and protective - what an awesome pet/best friend!
 
What impressed me was that the dog even stayed alive long enough for the mountie to show up. I would have thought a golden retriever would have been a snack in about 30 seconds.
 
About the two dog photos -

The first pic, of the guy and gal walking, she leading a horse and he a dog: the dog is a Neapolitan mastiff, of the molosser family, related to Englsih mastiffs, St. Bernards, Great Pyrenees, Rottweilers, Boxers, etc. Most American-bred, male Neos weigh around 150 lbs. I was close to buying one; eventually, I bought a Newfoundland instead. While it looks seamless, I cannot bring myself to believe that Neapolitan mastiff is that big.

The second dog appears to be a bullmastiff, but it may also be a Boerboel. The two breeds are also also in the molosser family and are related to the list above. An incredible site concerning this family of dogs (my favorite dog family) is moloss.com.

About cougar attacks:

I went to college in southern Colorado from 1996-1998. In spring '98, somewhere around April, the Denver Post ran a front-page article on a man attacked by a cougar. The man was hiking by himself and was roughly six miles into the wilderness. A cougar attacked the man from behind; the man had a fixed-blade knife on his belt and was able to unsheath the knife and stab the cougar, presumably causing a superficial wound.
The cougar ran off and the hiker, bleeding and cut but not destroyed, headed back toward the trailhead.
A mile down the trail, and still several miles from the trailhead, the cougar attacked again. It had been waiting. This time, the hiker wasn't able to pull his knife. Knowing this was for keeps, the man plunged his thumb into the cat's eye socket. The cougar again ran away, this time, for good.

I know people can successfully defend against cougar attacks; however, I've no desire to experience it first-hand.

Concerning dogs and cougars, individual dogs aren't well-equipped to fight large cats. Case in point - the Great Pyrenees in the OP. That's truly heart-breaking. Great Pyrs are livestock guardian dogs and bred to protect herds from predators. Pyrs are tough and capable; this incident speaks to cats' incredible predatorial abilities.

And yet, dogs can defend themselves against cougars, if said dogs are in a pack and are of the right breed/s. However, dogs must have an advantage in numbers and, even then, will most likely incur serious lacerations (at least)and vet bills.
 
Trout Tamer said:
However, dogs must have an advantage in numbers and, even then, will most likely incur serious lacerations (at least)and vet bills.
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But would a big cat attack a group of dogs? If the cat is smart and avoids them then there will be no injuries to any dogs.
 
GWashington1732 said:
I got wasp spray in my eyes once, it splashed off the nest, it took fifteen minutes of rinsing to stop them from burning. Pleasant stuff.
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If I remember correctly, wasp spray has some of the same active ingredients as VX nerve gas. Not sure how insect spray would work on a large mammalian predator. If I was sprayed in the face, I think I'd rather get shot with pepper spray. It would probably have fewer long term health effects.
 
It makes me angry too when people arent prepared for something like this if they know they live in cougar country and own dogs. She should have known where the ammo was. I would want a .308, less chance of hitting my dog.
 
I got a couple of pretty good laughs out of this thread, from lines such as:

"We'd offer about as much challenge to a mountain lion as a Tickle Me Elmo"

and

"Ever try to give a house cat a bath?"

Well, this Tickle Me Elmo typically carries razor sharp knives and a .45 ready to go. I hope Ms. Kitty has her life insurance and Blue Cross paid up.

As for the bath remark, It gave me a flashback to the day I mistakenly tried to bathe my blue cat. That cat's head swiveled around like that kid's in The Exorcist, and I dropped that half wet cat in self defence, just as fast as I could.

I've still got all my fingers.
 
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About cougar attacks:

I went to college in southern Colorado from 1996-1998. In spring '98, somewhere around April, the Denver Post ran a front-page article on a man attacked by a cougar. The man was hiking by himself and was roughly six miles into the wilderness. A cougar attacked the man from behind; the man had a fixed-blade knife on his belt and was able to unsheath the knife and stab the cougar, presumably causing a superficial wound.
The cougar ran off and the hiker, bleeding and cut but not destroyed, headed back toward the trailhead.
A mile down the trail, and still several miles from the trailhead, the cougar attacked again. It had been waiting. This time, the hiker wasn't able to pull his knife. Knowing this was for keeps, the man plunged his thumb into the cat's eye socket. The cougar again ran away, this time, for good.
I know people can successfully defend against cougar attacks; however, I've no desire to experience it first-hand.

Concerning dogs and cougars, individual dogs aren't well-equipped to fight large cats. Case in point - the Great Pyrenees in the OP. That's truly heart-breaking. Great Pyrs are livestock guardian dogs and bred to protect herds from predators. Pyrs are tough and capable; this incident speaks to cats' incredible predatorial abilities.

And yet, dogs can defend themselves against cougars, if said dogs are in a pack and are of the right breed/s. However, dogs must have an advantage in numbers and, even then, will most likely incur serious lacerations (at least)and vet bills.
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Coincidentally, I was channel surfing last night and I saw briefly "I Shouldn't Be Alive" on Discovery. It was about a man that survived a cougar attack. He said he used the same ''thumb to gouge the eye" maneuvre. All it it did was make the cougar more PO'ed and mangle his his thumb (I don't think it was bit off though). Off course he probably didn't jab it hard enough though, which in that critcal situation was understandable :eek:
 
I live in Utah and have only seen one in my local mountains, the one I saw was not huge but not little either.

First thing is I'm glad I had my dog with, he spotted the M. lion first and I think dogs are really a good companion to have while hiking and camping for defense/protection and alertness.

Anyways I was not being hunted by the lion, as soon as saw him he was gone.

I have always wondered if it would have been a different story if my dog was not with me.......
 
j williams said:
Damn Chris! You take that pic??

Suposedly they are around MO, but Ive never seen, or heard of anyone seein one....My wife had a black bear that hung around her moms house when she was little...
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Saw one when I lived in Harrisburg also saw one bobcat once and a dead bear on 63 going from harrisburg to mexico mo
 
house dogs are house dogs, no matter the size.

Pathetic that the owner could not find shells for his shotgun. pathetic.
 
I worked with big cats, reptiles and raptors as a kid(I still have reptiles). I'll never underestimate the raw power of animals. This little male african was strong enough to take me apart if he had the instincts of an adult. He used me as a toy easily. Cats is strong.;)
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I have always been leery of bears on land and sharks in the ocean. I have spent a lot of time in the woods (including hiking alone in Alaska during moose calving season...yipes!) and a lot of time in the ocean swallowing those fears by doing my best to stay alert. I have been giving cats more attention in recent years and have started including "Crazy Ivans" in my walks. Every once in a while I just turn to see and listen to what is behind me... especially after passing what seem to me like good vantage points for an ambush predator. As a SAR nerd this habit has always helped save return trip "snap shots" in your memory so that everything looks familiar on the way home. Highly recommended.

THIS freaks me out...

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There are more and more cat encounters every year. We have had 4 confirmed sightings in Kansas in the last year or so. I spend all of my free time in the outdoors. I hunt, fish, and run a trap line in several states every year. I have alot of respect for cats. I stepped on a bobcat when I was quail hunting one day. He took a swipe at me while I was beggining to levetate and ripped my pants. My best friend that was with me said it looked like I was walking on the briar patch we were in. I always carry a weapon with me when I am out like that. Usually a .357 and a couple of blades. I make sure that I am paying attention to what is going on around me. If anyone is interested in seeing where these big cats are poping up check out: http://www.cougarnet.org/


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