MT overrated

10- 4 Biginboca.

BTW, I' m not so sure that some tool steels/ high speed steels are of more cost as far as manufacturers are concerned. For regular/ hard use the end product is of more importance than the raw material. Heat treat, blade grind type and how an edge is put on is what determines the blades performance or the lack thereof.

Additonally, 154CM (US product/ Crucible Metallurgy)) costs the makers a bit more than the ever popular ATS34 (Japanese/ Hitachi). Some of the current production companies prefer the 154CM for its finer, more uniform grain structure. But this is only academic if one does not use and appreciate the performance of their blades.

The LCC is the only MT model I' ve handled that has an overall grip feel that fits my hand. I just can never truly figure out what the handle shapes of the Kestral and the Vectors are made for.
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I don't own any MicroTechs or an SERE 2000. I do own several Benchmades and Emersons, and I would say the Emersons are far better overall, except for the availability of some of Benchmade's knives in M2 tool steel. I think the Commander is Ernie's worst knife, and I own two. The blade shape is too single purpose and looks like a real pain to resharpen. The big selling features are looks and the Wave opening system. Other than that, they are really spotty on QA. Now, let's talk my favorite knife: Emerson's SOCFK! That's a knife! It's basically a waved SpecWar available only thru Extreme Outfitters, for only $149.99. I love the straight edged chisel ground blade, there is NOTHING easier to resharpen. NOTHING! The quality is consistently the best I've seen from Emerson, with the CQC7B's ranking second.

Yes, Emerson has a QA problem, especially considering competition from MT, Al Mar,...
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That is to be expected in a company going thru groing pains. I hope they fix it soon, tho.

Here's why MT's don't appeal to me:
For the money, I'll take an SOCFK because of the wave - it's faster than ANY auto knife, and it's legal in my state, and I dislike aluminum/rubber scales. My favorite material is G-10.
After the SOCFK, comes the waved CQC7 and then the CQC7. For the money, the CQC7B rules!

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"And for this cause God shall send them stong delusion,that they should believe a lie;" 2 Thessalonians 2:11
 
Copied from another forum to help my point:

Written by Dashunde

So that no one loosens the pivot pin on a MT's trying to make it smoother, I want to explain MT's pivots.

MT's do not use the tightness of the pivot pin to set the "free swing" tension of the blade.
MT's are either tight or they are not.

In a MT the pivot pin does not contact the blade material, it contacts the inner pivot bushing and the blade swings on this bushing. The bushing is also a fraction thicker than the blade eliminating the type of "compression" tension setting you get with a Benchmade.
The pivot pin/screw simply pulls the handle scales down tight onto this bushing, but not the blade.
The bushings used by MT are relatively big compared to the pin, the hole in the blade is about the diameter of a cigarette +/- a bit... Giving the blade-to-bushing contact a much larger surface area when compared to a blade-to-pin set-up.
Also, since the pin is exerting pressure on the bushing, the bushing is clamped in place and will not move or twist. This means the bushing transfers all cutting or stabbing pressures/loads from the handle to the blade instead of the pin having to deal with it.
Under "normal" loads, the pins only job is to squeeze everything together... with the exception being any pressure/load that tries to spread the handles apart, such as torsion. And even this only results in a added linear force for the pin, (or opposition to the clamping force).

In simple terms, the pin doesnt have to deal with shear stress.

My guess is that this type of pivot can handle 3 times the lateral force of a standard blade-to-pin arrangment without deformation such as a bent pin or elongated liner holes... but its just a guess.

So... If you have a MT, keep that pivot pin nice and tight.

 
Man did I laugh when I saw the title on this thread. One sure way of getting a long thread going is to imply that MT's aren't all they're cracked up to be. The only topic that would create more discussion would be "CRKT sucks!"

Not owning any of the above debated pieces, I can't comment on any of them. But I sure like to sit back and watch the shots fly.

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I have an Emerson Commander and I don't think I've ever been more disappointed with a knife as it came to me new. The freakin' lock slid all the way to the point of almost failing the first time I forced it WITH MY HANDS. I also have an Al-Mar and the quality on that thing blows off the Emerson. I wish I had a Microtech, matter of fact......hell, I think I'll get one!
 
When I first started collecting knives, I was mostly buying knives based on their looks. I kind of wondered what all the fuss was about over fit and finish, and quality control. Then I got my first Microtech (a mini socom), and the precision of the grinds and especially the tight tolerances on the liner lock blew me away. The feeling of the Socom Elite (with the Microbar lock), is even better. Geez, I sound like an infomercial
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I still buy other knives when I hear good things about them, I'm thinking about the Al Mar Sere 2000 right now. But Microtech has lots of passionate fans for good reason. They're not inexpensive, but they are excellent quality.

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I have two MT's the mini socom and the lcc. I plan to purchasing a socom elite. I have handled the emersons and felt that they are not up to par for me. As far as for the sere 2000 it seems to be a nice knife. But I will stay with MT.
 
I bought an LCC and subsequently sold my Spyderco Starmate. And I really liked the Starmate for a long while! The fit and finish on the LCC is superb, as are the quality materials and the design. I personally like the looks of the LCC far more than the Sebenza, and for half the price. The quality of the LCC is nearly as good as the Sebenza, too. I bought a Kestrel to go with the LCC because I liked it so much. As for the previous post about the handle shape of the Kestrel - you might try it before you knock it. It feels GREAT in the hand, and it has the microbar locking mechanism. I believe I have found the pinnacle of production knives, so my next knife will be a custom!
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"It's only a flesh wound!!!" - the Black Knight

"Well, they wouldn't hang a man for an accident, not even in Arkansas." - Captain Woodrow F. Call
 
You said it Lagerman, my reg carry is a SOCOM and my other knives are custom.
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Have been thru several MTs and the quality is amazing BUT I find 'em a bit "cold" !?
 
Originally Posted By "defiant":

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiit a second here buddy, I am personally not too well versed in Microtechs so I cannot attest to their quality, but I do trust these knife nuts when they rant and rave. What I do not believe, however, is your claim about there being no comparason between the SERE and any Microtech. I own a SERE, and can attest to its superb fit and finish, unmistakably solid lockup and smooth action.[/b]
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LOL Sorry "difiant" just posting my thoughts and personal feelings since I've possessed several SERE's, Commander's and a very large gaggle of Microtech's. In fact, I carry a Microtech SOCOM at work and have been for about 5 - 6 years.

The SERE is a "good knife" and would probably be a great knife if they'd ever get their manufacturing defects fixed! If you've gotten a good SERE my hat is off to you.....since you're one of a few! Same with the Commander ~ it's a "good knife." I have a $35 - $40 Browning 603 that's a "good knife" and is in the same ball park as the SERE and Commander.

Like I said before.....construction and performance ~ The SERE and Commander aren't in the same league as Microtech!

Get one and you'll see what I mean.....

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My LCC has the best fit, finish, and overall coolness factor of any factory knife that I have ever handled. I fondled a genuine Lightfoot folder (460 I think) at the same show where I bought the LCC and really there was no appreciable difference other than the price and more exotic design of the handmade.

I used to think that my CQC-7B was a beefy knife, but the liners on the LCC make Emerson's look puny and weak. I've only owned the '7 for maybe 8 months, but the liner has definitely crept over to the right more than I think it should have by now. (And I don't even flick it open either!) Are the Commander liners any thicker than the '7s? I sure hope so, or no Commander for me. I'd hate to think what slamming the blade open with the Wave repeatedly would have done to the lock of my '7 in the same time period...

Don't get me wrong, I love Emerson knives in general, but if we're talking purely in terms of manufacturing quality then they do need some work in a few key areas. MT does it better than most, and I'd rather "settle" for 154CM on a perfectly executed folder than some "high speed" wonder steel with a ****ty coating, thick edge and grinder marks. cough.. cough.. Benchmade... ahem.

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I think Kirch meant CRK; Chris Reeve Knuives.

CRKT stands for Columbia River Knife and Tool.

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The LCC is so sexy, and tempting at its price range, that i'm thinking about getting myself one. even owning the CR Sebenza, i just like the way the LCC looks. and it certainly seems to be worth the money, considering i'm someone who shelled out $300+ for the benza. As for the SERE 2000, it certainly seems to be a very good knife. is it available in M/A? well, the sharpened false edge would prevent me from legally carrying it in the state of texas anyways.
just my $.02
ard
 
I've not owned alot of knives (maybe 20 or so) and never had a tactical before getting an LCC. I've looked at alot over time but nothing caught my eye. I was looking hard at the Gerber "Airframe" but when I tried to order it was on back order. While waiting I began looking over net and found this forum then began reading all the rave reviews and opinions about the LCC. I then found out Gerber had a quality control problem and the orders were not going to be filled until December or January. I cancelled my order and on the fine advice here I ordered an LCC. I can honestly say that it is the best production knife I've seen or held. And to be truthful I wasn't sure I was going to like it based on the pictures. As soon as it arrived I loved it. I think it is a tremendous value at only $130.00. Just my opinion. Dave
 
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