Multi purpose rifle

There was a "Rambling Rifle" I found on a web sight a few years ago. It was designed by a backpacker for a quick change barrel system so he could have multiple cal. with the same gun. I want to say it was built off a Winchester '70 action but I may be wrong about that.

H-S Precision makes a take down bolt gun.

http://www.hsprecision.com/new_take_down.htm

Z hat custom has these.

http://www.z-hat.com/takedown.htm

Winchester made most of there lever guns in a take down version. The last production model was the '86. (imported threw Miroku) You see them on the gun auction sights from time to time.

Most of the factory/custom take downs are pretty pricey.

Most bolt or lever guns can be made into a take down with a little for thought and basic shop skills if you do that sort of thing. I did it to a Win. '94 just to see if I could and it worked out nice. You need a Lathe, not a Dremel tool project. A bolt action would be easer. IMHO.

The jam nut design of the Savage bolt guns would be easy to break down in the field with a spanner wrench and a head gage. Shorten the forearm and you could make a real nice small package. The same locking nut would work on any bolt gun with the action lug build to the action . (Non Remington 700)

Several Mil. Spec. models would fill your bill if you don't mind the Military look. The Ar- 10, Fn-Fal come to mind since there designed in upper and lower parts. Pop the pins and go. The Fn can be built a lot lighter than the Mil. Spec. guns with the right parts.
 
I apologize to those who were offended by my remarks, and I aknowledge that I could have expressed myself less vituperatively.

I think to some extent this comes down to cultural differences. In Australia, where I live, the idea of "bugging out" with a rifle and preparing to use that rifle for self defence is considered extremist. It is considered extremist not only by sheeple, but also by the vast majority of folks who own guns for recreational purposes. Anyone talking about "bugging out" with their rifle would not be welcome at most gun clubs that I am familiar with.

This widespread attitude is reflected in our laws. If you were transporting a rifle in your car and were stopped by the police, and told them it was for self defense, you would be arrested and charged with a felony offense.

I don't want to get into a debate on the rights or wrongs of these gun laws - I'm just pointing them out to let you guys know where I'm coming from here.

Again, my apologies if I personally offended anyone - I didn't mean to do that.

Cheers,

J.
 
jh205 said:
I don't want to get into a debate on the rights or wrongs of these gun laws - I'm just pointing them out to let you guys know where I'm coming from here.
Again, my apologies if I personally offended anyone - I didn't mean to do that.
Cheers,
J.
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No hard feelings from me jh205, I can understand your point of view based on your background, there's just a bunch of us very-red-blooded Americans that have a very different view based on our own experiences. I liken it to those that do ultra-lite hiking and say a SAK Classic is enough for a week long trek...yeah, in their world it may work, but I'm a realist and like to be prepared for much more, especially based on my own personal experience. Don't take it too personal, we just beef up our view of wilderness survial to include hunting and self-defense, which most here think is are integral parts.

ROCK6
 
jh205

We as a nation (US) are headed that way. The problem is that as we lose our gun rights nothing is being done about the violent crime that we are also known for.

I don't know any thing about Australia or the culture there. Hear we probably seem a little 'Cowboy' for the rest of the world but I as a citizen don't expect personal protection from my city, county, state or country.

If you saw any of the news covering Catrina you may understand that we will 'EAT OUR OWN' if left to fend for our selfs. If you did not see any thing about the storm in New Orleans, in a nut shell a already dangeros, high crime area was flooded and devastated. Our Government responded by blocking the roads out of town, trapping the victims in and left them there for several weeks while they decided what to do. As you might see Bugging out and being able to defend your self can be very important in such a scenario.

We on average are not GUN TOTTING PSYCHOS, were good folk trying to live in a violent land. We are a gun cloture but not like you see in parts of Africa and the Middle east. Most to the gun owners I know are very safe, responsible and respectfully of others. Most of our guns are kept very low key.

There is 300,000,000, of us and some of us shouldn't be allowed to use real forks and spoons, sharp pencils or guns. But WTF I'm sure there are dumb people down under to.

I know you got Dingos down there and that they eat babes.

We got several brands of bears, mountain lions, Wolfs, Coyote, gaiters, panthers, feral dogs and hogs and each other to worry about. We suffer from Urban sprawl so the natural hunting lands and food sources are dwindling. Because of that more folk are getting ate, or at least more reports are making the news.

We also have several meals on the hoof that we are allowed to harvest. For this we use guns. (and Bows and traps and ....) So yes we kill for sport but most cultures do in one form or another.

Even if TS doesn't HTF having a gun can be a vital tool in daily life. I have been glad to have mine several many times and I live a rather peaceful life. I can say it has saved my life or saved me from sever injury more than once.

I hope your country is set up better to respond to its self in the case of a natural disaster. Until we get our priority's straight here in the states its every man for them selfs if TSHTF. That will require getting away from the masses were supplyes will not last (BUGGING OUT) and protecting our selfs and supples from those who don't prepare (GUNS FOR DEFENSE). It is the world we live in, taking legal guns away won't change that so thay remain a valid tool here.

Its good to here y'all are more civilized and would never do any harm to one another even if you lost everything and were starving.

No hard feelings JH, but understand it is a tuchy subject here for some of us.
 
jh205 said:
This widespread attitude is reflected in our laws. If you were transporting a rifle in your car and were stopped by the police, and told them it was for self defense, you would be arrested and charged with a felony offense.
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Gee mate, I think the same can be said with your knife. Tell the police that your knife is for self defense and see where that lands ya.:D

Cheerio
 
Fieldtestornothing said:
Hey all, figured I would put some idea's out there and see if I can get some advice and feedback.

I am looking for a multi-purpose rifle for a Vehicle/non-Vehicle bug out, hunting, and self defense rifle. I would like to have a something that is light, reliable, fires a cartridge that is hard hitting and common, and is accurate out to 300 yards. I am more interested in a non military rifle. I have several AR's and M1A's that would fit the bill but the disadvantage is that I would want to be capable of breaking down the firearm into a ruck for discret movement, yet have the long range capability at my disposal without looking like a militant. My multi purpose rifle now is a Lever 30/30, which I love and it rides comfortably in my truck all the time ready to deliver the goods in the case of emergency. I have fired it extensively and am comfortable with it. I am most interested in a 'scout' concept type rifle though. I have a williams peep on my lever and it is fast and accurate, but I would like some magnification.

Recently I noticed that Browning released a 81 BLR breakdown Lever in .308 with a optional scout mount. It seems to have all the advatages that I am looking for. Unforunately, I have never owned a Browning. Does anyone have any experience with the BLR rifle in any configeration? Again Reliability and accuracy would be my primary issues.

Thanks all
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The main thing that fits the bill here is a Browning BLR takedown. They have an aluminum receiver and are rather light, they are PC, and they use a detachable box magazine.
 
Thanks for the suggestions all.

Hey JH205,

Now I am understanding more about where your coming from and appologize for any insults. I think that culture plays the largest role here. I was raised with a firearm in my hand from 5 on. I was always taught to hunt and have been a competitive marksman for some years now. For me putting a gun on is just like putting a wallet in my pocket. I appreciate your opinion though and appreciate your post. I definately think that I've learned something here.

To the rest, I am gonna hold out for quotes for the Savage Scout, but the BLR is still looking like a strong competitor. Seems to have a lot of what I am looking for at a decent price.
 
I seem to rember an article somewhere where someone years ago made a backpack gun for bear country. He cut a rectangle in the stock of a pump shotgun so he was able to get to the stock bolt from the outside. That way he was able to put a wing nut on the end of the stock bolt. He could take the stock on and off pretty quick and then take the 18" barrel off of the action. Not sure if it would work with BLR (I know it would look ugly) but it would work with a Remington pump or semi auto. Just throwing it out there.
 
How about a stainless Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70?

Can't these also shoot a 410 shell?

B
 
jh205 said:
I apologize to those who were offended by my remarks, and I aknowledge that I could have expressed myself less vituperatively.

I think to some extent this comes down to cultural differences. In Australia, where I live, the idea of "bugging out" with a rifle and preparing to use that rifle for self defence is considered extremist. It is considered extremist not only by sheeple, but also by the vast majority of folks who own guns for recreational purposes. Anyone talking about "bugging out" with their rifle would not be welcome at most gun clubs that I am familiar with.

This widespread attitude is reflected in our laws. If you were transporting a rifle in your car and were stopped by the police, and told them it was for self defense, you would be arrested and charged with a felony offense.

I don't want to get into a debate on the rights or wrongs of these gun laws - I'm just pointing them out to let you guys know where I'm coming from here.

Again, my apologies if I personally offended anyone - I didn't mean to do that.

Cheers,

J.
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Thanks for the info.
One more country I wouldn't step foot in.

Felony self defense?
What is this world coming to?
 
jh205 said:
I apologize to those who were offended by my remarks, and I aknowledge that I could have expressed myself less vituperatively.

I think to some extent this comes down to cultural differences. In Australia, where I live, the idea of "bugging out" with a rifle and preparing to use that rifle for self defence is considered extremist. It is considered extremist not only by sheeple, but also by the vast majority of folks who own guns for recreational purposes. Anyone talking about "bugging out" with their rifle would not be welcome at most gun clubs that I am familiar with.

This widespread attitude is reflected in our laws. If you were transporting a rifle in your car and were stopped by the police, and told them it was for self defense, you would be arrested and charged with a felony offense.

I don't want to get into a debate on the rights or wrongs of these gun laws - I'm just pointing them out to let you guys know where I'm coming from here.

Again, my apologies if I personally offended anyone - I didn't mean to do that.

Cheers,

J.
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I think it speaks well of everybody on the forum that this didn't degenerate into a flame session of JH205. I see...sorta...where he's coming from...alot of other "survival" forums do tend to read like Mack Bolan versus Johnny Rambo...but not this one. That said, I carry a pistol on my person, in my ruck and a rifle to round it out. This forum is about more than just recreational accident survival. There were people in New Orleans not all that long ago that were definitely in a survival situation and many of them might have fared better had they been armed for self defense. I object to being labeled an extremist but would rather that label than a toe tag.
 
I've been in South Florida about 38 years.
3 major riots,Andrew as well as many other huricannes.
Can't tell you how many anti gun people have borrowed guns from me when needed.
I keep extras for that purpose.
Go without police,power or any services for a few weeks and see why you need a rifle.
My experience is anyone without the ability to protect their family in extreme situations is the extremist.

I was a pistol instructor for many years.
Every week a former liberal, gun hater, would be in getting lessons and apologizing for hating us "NRA" types.
Home invasions and rape sure can change your mind quick about the need for self protection.
There is a book called "Dial 911 and die" I suggest you read it.
 
Heh. I carry pistols any time I am not in bed (including at home). I don't go anywhere without my long gun in the vehicle with me. It's absurd to think I'd want less capability in a survival situation.
 
To the rest, I am gonna hold out for quotes for the Savage Scout, but the BLR is still looking like a strong competitor. Seems to have a lot of what I am looking for at a decent price.
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I just picked up a Savage Scout. Great little rifle.
 
Since you shoot the level action well, I would opt for the Marlin stainless guide gun in 45-70 caliber. It is short, handy and plenty powerfull!
 
my survival rifle is a savage model 24 c 22/20 ga . it breaks down to fit its little case it shoots 3in 20s and long rifles it works for me :D
 
I really like the Marlin Guide gun in 45-70. I plan to buy one when I can afford to reload ANOTHER caliber. For right now, I plan to stay with .308 since I have a few thousands rounds of Lake City match in my closet. I also think that 30-30 is a little anemic, also drops a lot at 300 when using irons. I had a 22/20, and mine shot way off. If there could be a way to put adjustable sights on it I would consider it. Not to mention it just didn't have a whole lot of long range capability.

It's an interesting balance though. Kind of like the Nessmuk with knives. What would be the optimum firearm selection? For me it's a long range rifle, a .357 wheel gun, and a supressed .22 in the pack. I have all kinds and am starting to narrow it down to those. Although it changes every week. :)
 
How rugged are lever guns in general?

I've been in rifle classes (urban carbine) with a guy who used a lever gun, and it just wasn't up to the task of that volume of fire in a short period. On the other hand, I know a lot of cowboy shooters put many thousands of round downrange with theirs, but I don't know if they are modified in some way to do that reliably.

But for this task, the rifle won't be used to shoot a thousand rounds over three days. On the other hand, it will get knocked around and otherwise abused.

Forgive me for my ignorance of lever guns . . . I've shot them, but I've never owned one.
 
Robert H said:
I just picked up a Savage Scout. Great little rifle.
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I'm very please Savage is making these again, I never got around to picking one up before. It was on my 2007 gun-buy list, but since my extended deployment will push me to the end of the year...I'll have to carry it over to my 2008 list:D

ROCK6
 
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