multi tool for self defense

Maybe a Buck X-tract? Fast opening blade, and it IS all about the blade with the X-tract, but you get some MT functionality as well. Other then that, I think the Wave/Surge might be your best bet. Of course with the Core, you have an Impact device, only downfall is it is likely to effect your gas milage :D
 
Use the huntsman, or similar, pull out the (belt holemaker thingy..?) grab it like brass knuckles, with that sticking out between your middle and ring finger. You can screw somebody uuuuup with that combo. Like shaking them the same time you are punching them, and if it's a hook, you will slice their face.
 
bamarammin87 said:
Use the huntsman, or similar, pull out the (belt holemaker thingy..?) grab it like brass knuckles, with that sticking out between your middle and ring finger. You can screw somebody uuuuup with that combo. Like shaking them the same time you are punching them, and if it's a hook, you will slice their face.
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Instead of the main blade? I'll take a blade over a 1.5" awl any day.
 
bamarammin87 said:
Use the huntsman, or similar, pull out the (belt holemaker thingy..?) grab it like brass knuckles, with that sticking out between your middle and ring finger. You can screw somebody uuuuup with that combo. Like shaking them the same time you are punching them, and if it's a hook, you will slice their face.
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I read the same advice in an article years ago (early 1990's). It was aimed at improving the fistfull of keys defense that use to be popular for walking to your car at night. I'm not sure I would do that today given that both you and your attacker are going to be shedding blood.

znapschatz said:
Maybe it's better to think of something like a Swisstool or a Leatherman two-hand opener as a striking instrument rather than a bladed weapon. Chances are, when tshtf, there won't be enough time to open a blade (I was once in that situation, although it never came to blows). OTOH, a fist load/yawara stick can give you a fighting chance, depending on what is coming at you.
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I've never been hit with a spike, but I have been blindsided with a loaded fist. It was the closest I've ever been to being knocked out. NOT fun.:mad:
 
The wave would have pros and cons, there is four blades....3 are good, you pull the file and you're ******. You pull the saw...OUCH.....either way I think a knife and a gun are much better choices.
 
bamarammin87 said:
Use the huntsman, or similar, pull out the (belt holemaker thingy..?) grab it like brass knuckles, with that sticking out between your middle and ring finger. You can screw somebody uuuuup with that combo. Like shaking them the same time you are punching them, and if it's a hook, you will slice their face.
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Two problems with that:

The awl is less easy to access in regular use, requires precise thumbnail application. In an adrenalated situation with motor skills in steep decline, it would become quite a challenge for precision anything. Also, if it comes to blows, you would probably cut the s--t out of your own hand.

An alternative (maybe); I'm not familiar with the Huntsman, but my Tinker has a back spring mounted ph screwdriver that is much easier to get out and is still a formidable addition to a fistload. For years, that was my main EDC weapon, along with some other socially acceptable items. I actually practiced with the Tinker. I think it would work, but never got into a serious confrontation during that time where its effectiveness got proved one way or another. However, I got tipped off to the awl hazard by someone who did have the experience.
 
znapschatz said:
Two problems with that:

The awl is less easy to access in regular use, requires precise thumbnail application. In an adrenalated situation with motor skills in steep decline, it would become quite a challenge for precision anything. Also, if it comes to blows, you would probably cut the s--t out of your own hand.

An alternative (maybe); I'm not familiar with the Huntsman, but my Tinker has a back spring mounted ph screwdriver that is much easier to get out and is still a formidable addition to a fistload. For years, that was my main EDC weapon, along with some other socially acceptable items. I actually practiced with the Tinker. I think it would work, but never got into a serious confrontation during that time where its effectiveness got proved one way or another. However, I got tipped off to the awl hazard by someone who did have the experience.
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Thanks. I've deployed the awl twice now thinking I would need to use it. Think about it, no big knife blade out, you can have it in your fist ready to throw a punch. I walked into walmart the last time like that, but luckily didn't have to use it. If you can have the knife out, then that works too. But over all this, I have my j frame ready to roll in a iwb holster, appendix carry. To me, the awl in a loadef fist, its the quivilant of having a j frame in your coat pocket, ready to roll, hand on it, nobody is the wiser.
 
Btw, this is all for discreet matters. I have a spyderco endura stainless I carry if I need a real knife, and the j frame for a real gun. The awl is just like having a loaded fist with a hidden shank attached, so its discreet!
 
The Huntsman's awl is the one hinged in the middle of the back of that knife, It has lots of play and would definitely jack up your hand if you were silly enough to try to punch someone while you were holding that between your middle and ring finger (which I what I imagine you mean). Yeah it'll hurt the other guy but you will likely lose a finger in the process.

No offense but that's not a good idea. IMO, you'd be better off keeping it closed in your fist and punching like that, or better yet learn how to fight without weapons. Better still, learn how to avoid the fight in the first place. Seriously - walking into WalMart with the awl deployed? What is that about - the greeter had nunchucks and was calling you names? If there's a threat there - why not avoid it - go to Target or something.
 
I would choose the screwdriver over the awl, as said - The awl isnt just a spike, it also has a sharpened side. Try to take it between your fingers and not punch, but slowly press it into a piece of wood, the awl will most likely bend to the side and touch your finger - imagine doing this with full power.
Neither of them is viable though if you are already being attacked and dont got time to prepare, Then it would be better to just use it as a fistload. You would have to use both hands to get the screwdriver out, If you have the time though then you should also turn it so if the screwdriver is out, the end of the knife handle that is out of the bottom of the hand - the side you will hammerfist with, should have the small lanyard/keychain thing sticking out since it will concentrate force much better, and your thumb on the other end which is rounded. You can alternatively also have it in your pocket with the screwdriver already out, the awl would poke holes in your pocket. Not sure if the screwdriver will fold together though while in the pocket so dont count on it being there when you take it out.
If you are trained in using a knife p'kal style you can also deploy the blade so its facing inwards toward you (Again if you have time)

I would personally choose a multitool with a one hand opening knife, and only ONE. I wouldnt want to accidentaly deploy the serrated sheepsfoot blade on a leatherman instead of the pointy one.
The soldier or rescue knife seems ideal except for one critical thing - they dont have a pocket clip, unless you get one installed.

I would choose a leatherman freestyle or a skeletool if you want some more tools, it got a pocket clip and a single easy to deploy blade.
You could also choose the CRKT zilla or zilla junior, then you can hammerfist with the closed plier jaws, I heard the blade is rather hard to deploy though.
 
Lasse Eskildsen said:
Not sure if the screwdriver will fold together though while in the pocket so dont count on it being there when you take it out.
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Just tried opening and closing the screwdriver in my pocket (V-nox Tinkerer). No problem in khakies, but would be difficult in close cut jeans (i.e. Levi 501s).

Just for clarity, are we discussing walking into a known hazardous situation (Yours is the last car in parking lot at 1:00 AM), or are we talking about an unexpected situation like getting ambushed in broad daylight.
 
Clang! said:
Just tried opening and closing the screwdriver in my pocket (V-nox Tinkerer). No problem in khakies, but would be difficult in close cut jeans (i.e. Levi 501s).

Just for clarity, are we discussing walking into a known hazardous situation (Yours is the last car in parking lot at 1:00 AM), or are we talking about an unexpected situation like getting ambushed in broad daylight.
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Unless the SAK is already deployed, there will probably be no time to do so if suddenly ambushed. My friend who told me about this tactic and its results is a marine veteran who served in Vietnam. In "secured" areas, like Saigon, military personnel were not allowed to carry weapons when off duty in civilian areas, but SAKs were permitted. These, Tinkers especially popular, came in handy dealing with snatch and run thieves, who would sneak up on the unwary, grab their cameras, watches or whatever, and race away on a motor scooter driven by a partner. Guys would carry their Tinkers as described, and if attacked and alert enough, stick the bandit in his arm and let the speeding vehicle open a long gash. Supposedly, shock and pain would cause the bandit to drop the stolen goods and perhaps encourage him to retire from the profession. When my friend had an opportunity to use the awl during an attempted robbery, his ring finger was cut badly enough to cause a permanent injury. Any brief examination of the awl and how it is mounted should be self explanatory about the hazards of using it as a push weapon in your fist.
 
GingivitisKahn said:
The Huntsman's awl is the one hinged in the middle of the back of that knife, It has lots of play and would definitely jack up your hand if you were silly enough to try to punch someone while you were holding that between your middle and ring finger (which I what I imagine you mean). Yeah it'll hurt the other guy but you will likely lose a finger in the process.

No offense but that's not a good idea. IMO, you'd be better off keeping it closed in your fist and punching like that, or better yet learn how to fight without weapons. Better still, learn how to avoid the fight in the first place. Seriously - walking into WalMart with the awl deployed? What is that about - the greeter had nunchucks and was calling you names? If there's a threat there - why not avoid it - go to Target or something.
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I was being followed by a transient druggie, and left my gun @ home, I just went out in shorts n houseshoes to get some cooking oil. A gun woulda made my shorts come off, same to a big knife, as I was wearing ball shorts. But okey dokey. I've been going to mma classes for awhile now since january, I'm learning how to fight pretty well thanks.
 
That was also a last ditch thing. I normally carry a gun, and a spyderco for fighting, a old benchmade as a backup/utility knife, and a sak. I just threw the sak in a pocket since it has everything covered, except for self defense. I won't vo anywhere without some sort of weapon from now on, and I normally didn't before that. Hell, I carry a gun to church, and even to work.
 
bamarammin87 said:
I was being followed by a transient druggie, and left my gun @ home, I just went out in shorts n houseshoes to get some cooking oil. A gun woulda made my shorts come off, same to a big knife, as I was wearing ball shorts. But okey dokey. I've been going to mma classes for awhile now since january, I'm learning how to fight pretty well thanks.
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Fair enough - sorry if it sounded like I was having a go at you. Sounds like you did the smartest thing anyway - moved away from the threat and away from the fight.
 
MMA for defense is very much a last resort. I've been practicing martial arts for over 30 years. It's better than nothing, but not better than a weapon. If anyone thinks winning fights in the ring in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (or anything else) means you can kick ass in a real fight, they're wrong. A crackhead with a steak knife will win every time. A real weapon makes someone very dangerous, very quickly. Situational awareness, marksmanship, and rapid reloading are your best option (or a good 50m sprint). Fistfights? Fistfights are for drunks and children.
 
mind set,have a plan,practice,even if it's a tolilet plunger, survive !!! my one cent. when I ran from the fight I lost one...
 
Leatherman Wave (or any other one-handed opening, locking blade) for traditional knife attacks. However, any Victorinox with a can opener will do the trick; that "church key" will really open somebody up.
 
Just saw this now.

I have a beat-up old SOG Powerlock. Exhibit "A" below for a closer look at the "gears" on the pivot end -

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Can readily elicit "ouch" in several different languages :D
 
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