My Deal With heekma- Cool Knife, Poor Communication and Very Stressful

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My deal is complete with heekma, I received the knife I purchased from him on 11/2/13. In my opinion it was not in the condition he described in his listing however it's acceptable to me.

In summary my complaints are that heekma had poor communication, was not responsive to the issues we encountered in our transaction and failed to follow through on what he said he would do.

I would be very reluctant to engage in another transaction with him and would never agree to use USPS Money Order as payment method. It should not take me tracking down his work phone number and calling him to get the knife shipped.




I agreed to purchase this Masters of Defense knife from heekma here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-Dieter-QCB-II-DAMASCUS-blade-Auto-mint-w-box.


It's a very cool knife and the first MOD I've seen with Damascus blade. His listing initially didn't mention payment method so I contacted him asking for his paypal address. He wanted a USPS Money Order as payment. I checked his feedback and found this- http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/807894-Gotta-give-a-huge-thumbs-up-for-heekma! He also had all positive feedback in his iTrader ratings so I figured it was safe and agreed to the deal.


Below is the timeline and basic facts from my point of view. I will forward a link of this thread to heekma so he can give his side of the story as well. I'm really hoping there is some reasonable explanation for why it's taking him so long to complete the deal. I'm perfectly willing to edit my thread and remove any statements that are inaccurate. Right now, with no communication from heekma, I have only my side of the story.


1. 10/1- I agree to buy the knife in his thread.

2. 10/2- I purchase a $300 usps money order and mail it out the next day.

3. Around 10/8 we determine he gave me the wrong address. How do you give the wrong address when you ask for a money order? I know typos happen but aren't you going to double check it before hitting send. My first sign that our deal is going downhill!

4. Communication from heekma gets sporadic, meaning he stops responding to my emails. He also does not follow through on his end searching for the money order. I was able to track down the phone number to his local post office very easily. I called and talked with a supervisor. I forwarded her name and phone number to heekma and asked him to follow up. I also contacted a moderator (RevDevil) and asked him to contact heekma.

5. I believe RevDevil contacted him on 10/14 and that's when he gets back to me after a few days of no contact. His reason was a weekend vacation with no internet. Ok, that can happen right.

6. On 10/16 he finally talks to his mail carrier. Tells me the carrier will do some checking. That makes no sense to me, wait a week and then contact the carrier to look for a letter with $300 usps money order in it.

7. On 10/22 I get the following message.


Rob,

Did you not get the email I sent on Friday?

I've copied and pasted the text below:

Hey Rob--great news! The Money Order was delivered today! I'll be shipping the knife tomorrow afternoon and I'll include tracking info as well.

Thanks for your patience, so sorry about the address mistake. I'm positive the wait will be worth it--this is a rare and beautiful knife!

Have a good one, I'll be in touch tomorrow.

-John

I'll be going to the post office today to mail the knife and I'll supply a tracking number as well.

Please let me know if you got this email,

John


8. The quotes are shown to clarify the message. First thing is I never received the email saying he had the money order. I told him in an email (that was not responded to) that I was going into the post office the week of 10/21 to order a copy of the money order. That would determine if it was cashed or not and who signed on it.

9. Summarizing his above message, I think he's saying he received my usps money order on 10/18 and that he would mail the knife on 10/19. He didn't mail it 10/19 so his last statement puts mailing it on 10/23 since I received the message on 10/22.

10. I received one more email on 10/22 from heekma.

11. Since 10/22 no more contact from heekma. I have not received the knife. I've sent 4-5 emails asking if the knife has been mailed and for tracking info. I've received no responses.

12. I don't remember the date but this week I received a copy of the money order. It was signed and deposited by heekma on 10/21.

13. 10/30 I email heekma saying I am again contacting an exchange moderator and starting a thread in the GBU forum.

14. I was able to track down his work phone number last night. Today (10/31) I called and left a message with the receptionist as heekma was in a meeting.


What else should I do to get this deal done? I do have all my email exchanges saved so all that I wrote above can be verified. There might be some date discrepancies but I believe it fairly reflects the transaction from my point of view.


I've used usps money orders before but this might be my last time. I can't afford to lose $300. With all of paypals faults at least in this deal I would have recourse for getting my money back.
 
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First off its sucks you had to deal with a *$%&sucker, second you should print all the communication you've had with the &%$*sucker emails, forum conversations everything, and file a police report being that you know his name and where he works you can nail him to the wall for theft and or take to small claims court where you can also try and recover any legal fees or cost incurred during this process. Don't let the shitbag getaway with it.
 
Sorry to hear, but I would contact his local police department to file a mail fraud report. Show proof that you purchased the money order payable to him for an item that was never delivered, and that he cash it but never provide any tracking number to deliver item.

I think asking ONLY for money order is crap...it's like asking for CASH up front.
 
If he cashed it and doesn't deliver it's mail fraud.

Thanks for the reply panzertroop. I asked about this at the post office a few times and none of the clerks have explained to me how to pursue that avenue. Anyone ever had a deal go bad with a usps money order and had the post office pursue mail fraud charges?



I guess my phone call sparked some action. Here is my last email to heekma followed by his response a few minutes ago.

My message yesterday:
Hey John, I'm still waiting on that MOD knife. I'd really appreciate if you would contact me and let me know what's happening.

I plan on posting in the feedback forum on BladeForums tonight asking for advice and assistance getting our deal done. I contacted a moderator from BF for the second time in the progress of our deal asking for assistance. The first time I heard back from you after the moderator contacted you but this time nothing. That is very frustrating.

I understand life happens and can interfere with our hobby. That is understandable and acceptable. It is best to communicate those situations when they happen. Since we are in the middle of a deal I think that is a fair request. I do hope you and your family are ok and I'm not hounding you while you or a close family member are in the hospital or some other similar situation.

I plan on continuing to attempt contact with you. I do not want to lose $300 and right now that is how this feels. Please get back to me. I want to know what is delaying the shipment of the knife.

Best regards.

Rob


Response today:
Rob,

I'm sorry about my delayed response, I've been dealing with a very sudden family illness that has put most of my life on hold for the last several days. Today has been my first day back in town since last Wednesday.

Your package has been shipped and should arrive Monday. The package has been insured for $300 in case anything happens. It's been very well packaged and should have no trouble arriving safely.

Your tracking number is: VJ xxx xxx xxx US

Once again, please accept my apologies,

John



Communication, communication, communication- As a seller it's the key to success. In our deal a simple message of:
Hey Rob I'm gonna be out of town dealing with a family emergency. I'll let you know when I'm back in town and can mail your knife.


Then I would have said:
Thanks for the update John, I appreciate it. Good luck and I wish you well!
 
Another bad deal with a "registered user"!!!!... You have to be a gold member to post on the political forum but not to trade here!?

Rob,

sorry for your trouble.... you should have INSISTED the a guy with little feedback ship first. In fact, by sending a MO, you shipped first.


Best
of luck

Paul
 
Also, I would recommend deleting his work phone number.

I'll delete it when I get my knife. Put yourself in my shoes and it might make more sense to you. Can you afford to lose $300? I can't so I'm applying as much pressure as I can until heekma delivers on what he agreed which is sending me the knife I paid for.


I just checked tracking and it's an insured priority package. I'm hoping we are almost done with our deal.
 
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Another bad deal with a "registered user"!!!!... You have to be a gold member to post on the political forum but not to trade here!?

Rob,

sorry for your trouble.... you should have INSISTED the a guy with little feedback ship first. In fact, by sending a MO, you shipped first.


Best
of luck

Paul

He was a gold member when he listed the knife for sale. I've been told that the forum software won't let anyone below gold list in the sales forums. It must have expired. I'm not sure asking someone to ship their knife before I pay would work but maybe that will be my requirement if payment is expected by usps money order. That's an interesting suggestion for future transactions.
 
Check your email spam folder just to make sure his messages aren't getting filtered. Did you guys agree on delivery confirmation or package insurance? I am thinking if he did in fact mail it, and has proof of this by way of delivery confirmation ticket, then it's gonna be a post office issue. While the communication could be better, I think it's a bit soon to be calling him names as someone has done above. This day and age, it's pretty much expected that folks are permanently connected to Internet, email, etc, and expect emails and private messages to be returned within minutes, not days. Unfortunately that's not always the case. I think if he was straight up trying to screw you, he wouldn't have risked a mail fraud charge by accepting a money order.

A couple suggestions I would offer would be to send him emails with delivery confirmation and read receipt requests attached asking him to provide the tracking number information. I would continue calling his workplace over and over until you finally catch him in the office. My suggestion for asking to speak to him when the receptionist answers is a simple, friendly, "John Hickman, please." Makes it sound like you're a friend calling instead of someone like a collection agency calling for "official business." Even better would be have your wife, girlfriend or other female friend call and ask to speak with him just in case he is having his receptionist screen his calls. If asked whose calling, take a chance and say something like, "This is such and such calling about an image file he was working on for me." It's vague, yet could be believable. Another option is request to be transferred to his voicemail and let him know your concerns. You can even ask the receptionist for his company email unless that's what you've been using to communicate with him (even more reason to check the spam folder). He is the senior art director for his company, so he may be hard to get in touch with, but I guarantee he checks his voicemail regularly. Having just found that out after typing the first part, I'm thinking my comment about some folks not being permanently connected probably doesn't apply to someone in his position. Now, that being said, just given his position as a senior art director with a pretty major production company, I'm more inclined to think it's highly doubtful he's intentionally trying to defraud you.

Now, if the above doesn't work, then I suggest calling every day in a very official, 'collection agency trying to collect on a bad debt' kinda voice. At least it may cause some folks to wonder what the senior art director has done...
 
I just checked tracking and it's an insured priority package. I'm hoping we are almost done with our deal.

Looks like this is another case where I could have saved myself the trouble of typing a long response had I read the whole thread first.
 
Communication, communication, communication- As a seller it's the key to success. In our deal a simple message of:
Hey Rob I'm gonna be out of town dealing with a family emergency. I'll let you know when I'm back in town and can mail your knife.


Then I would have said:
Thanks for the update John, I appreciate it. Good luck and I wish you well!

In his defense, provided what he's saying is true, I can understand not thinking to communicate with someone I sold a knife to if my life was put on hold for a sudden serious family emergency. Put yourself in his shoes... Let's say your wife or child was suddenly diagnosed with a serious or terminal illness, are you going to worry about some transaction you have open on Bladeforums? This place would be the last thing on my mind in that situation.

Anyway, good to see things coming through. I figured it was something other than straight up fraud.
 
I agreed to purchase this Masters of Defense knife from heekma here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-Dieter-QCB-II-DAMASCUS-blade-Auto-mint-w-box.


It's a very cool knife and the first MOD I've seen with Damascus blade. His listing initially didn't mention payment method so I contacted him asking for his paypal address. He wanted a USPS Money Order as payment. I checked his feedback and found this- http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/807894-Gotta-give-a-huge-thumbs-up-for-heekma! He also had all positive feedback in his iTrader ratings so I figured it was safe and agreed to the deal.


Below is the timeline and basic facts from my point of view. I will forward a link of this thread to heekma so he can give his side of the story as well. I'm really hoping there is some reasonable explanation for why it's taking him so long to complete the deal. I'm perfectly willing to edit my thread and remove any statements that are inaccurate. Right now, with no communication from heekma, I have only my side of the story.


1. 10/1- I agree to buy the knife in his thread.

2. 10/2- I purchase a $300 usps money order and mail it out the next day.

3. Around 10/8 we determine he gave me the wrong address. How do you give the wrong address when you ask for a money order? I know typos happen but aren't you going to double check it before hitting send. My first sign that our deal is going downhill!

4. Communication from heekma gets sporadic, meaning he stops responding to my emails. He also does not follow through on his end searching for the money order. I was able to track down the phone number to his local post office very easily. I called and talked with a supervisor. I forwarded her name and phone number to heekma and asked him to follow up. I also contacted a moderator (RevDevil) and asked him to contact heekma.

5. I believe RevDevil contacted him on 10/14 and that's when he gets back to me after a few days of no contact. His reason was a weekend vacation with no internet. Ok, that can happen right.

6. On 10/16 he finally talks to his mail carrier. Tells me the carrier will do some checking. That makes no sense to me, wait a week and then contact the carrier to look for a letter with $300 usps money order in it.

7. On 10/22 I get the following message.





8. The quotes are shown to clarify the message. First thing is I never received the email saying he had the money order. I told him in an email (that was not responded to) that I was going into the post office the week of 10/21 to order a copy of the money order. That would determine if it was cashed or not and who signed on it.

9. Summarizing his above message, I think he's saying he received my usps money order on 10/18 and that he would mail the knife on 10/19. He didn't mail it 10/19 so his last statement puts mailing it on 10/23 since I received the message on 10/22.

10. I received one more email on 10/22 from heekma.

11. Since 10/22 no more contact from heekma. I have not received the knife. I've sent 4-5 emails asking if the knife has been mailed and for tracking info. I've received no responses.



13. 10/30 I email heekma saying I am again contacting an exchange moderator and starting a thread in the GBU forum.

14. I was able to track down his work phone number () last night. Today (10/31) I called and left a message with the receptionist as heekma (aka who works at in Dallas Texas) was in a meeting.


What else should I do to get this deal done? I do have all my email exchanges saved so all that I wrote above can be verified. There might be some date discrepancies but I believe it fairly reflects the transaction from my point of view.


I've used usps money orders before but this might be my last time. I can't afford to lose $300. With all of paypals faults at least in this deal I would have recourse for getting my money back.


Looks like a fine knife I hope it all pans out for you
 
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"This is in mint condition, never carried, never used."

This is a quote from the original listing. Is it me or does it look like it was taken apart? Looks like marks on the torx screws to me.
 
First off its sucks you had to deal with a *$%&sucker, second you should print all the communication you've had with the &%$*sucker emails, forum conversations everything, and file a police report being that you know his name and where he works you can nail him to the wall for theft and or take to small claims court where you can also try and recover any legal fees or cost incurred during this process. Don't let the shitbag getaway with it.

In every state so far as I know, a small claims judgment tells the defendant that he should pay. If he refuses, the SC judgment has to be transferred to a court that can issue an order and compulsory process for collection, like a wage garnishment or bank attachment. That second court must have jurisdiction where the defendant lives. That second court is statistically likely to be in another county or state as opposed to where you live. Small Claims is likely NOT the way to go.
 
...I'm not sure asking someone to ship their knife before I pay would work but maybe that will be my requirement if payment is expected by usps money order. That's an interesting suggestion for future transactions.

Simply, I will not do business with anyone who requires a check or money order unless I've done previous business with them or they are one of the few people here that I interface with on a personal basis. Just isn't worth the risk. But if they ship first and are willing to accept a check or MO after I have received and inspected the knife, then I would consider that method of doing business. Not sure why anyone would be willing to do that, though.
 
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