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Wow, good for you for not stabbing that mastif, personally i would have my knife drawn before entering the fray with a 180lb dog.
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My dog got attacked (slightly gory)
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thats 40lbs heavier then me! Orrey, you have some courage 
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I'm in a similar situation as some of you guys, me and my girlfriend recently (a couple months now) rescued a dog from the Oakland SPCA. A 5 year old Belgian Malenois, hes outstanding. The only thing is that he's very unsocial, from the age of one until he was 5, his owner simply had him chained up in their yard and the poor guy was neglected, which led to this antisocial behavior - one day he escaped from the owners yard, met another dog, got scared and got into a fight with another dog so the owner took him back to the SPCA.
He's great with me and Kate, and hes ok with people after hes met them on his own terms, just wont tolerate people coming up to him and calling him, with their arms out. With other dogs its hit or miss, its mostly because he's nervous, he doesn't like other dogs coming up to him when hes on a leash, and he gets nervous if his leash is taught and he's near another dog.
Anyway, I take him down to the Berkeley Marina for a walk a couple of times a day, the marina park has a designated "off leash" area that I keep away from, everywhere else you are required to have a leash on your dog, yet I still encounter people with their dogs off leash. I really don't mind if their dogs are well trained, but most of the time they aren't, they don't come when called, or they come right up to Buckley.
On one occasion I was with Buckley on the grass and a dog came up out of nowhere and got into a fight with him, I looked and couldnt find his owner anywhere! All I could do was pull my dog away and try to fend off the other dog, I eventually managed to separate them as I was leaving I see the dogs owner, moseying over the hill who, upon seeing the tail end of the fight, did absolutly nothing, not even call his dog away! I wanted to give him a piece of my mind but I had my dog Buckley (still all excited and wired up from the fight) and his dog was still running all over the place, so I couldnt.
Another time I asked a man to call his dog away from mine because mine isn't very sociable, he said ok, but waited a minute until after Buckley barked and showed aggressive behavior before calling him back...it's hardly good for either dogs training.
On a side note, the SPCA have been outstanding. We went to a dog fair before we got a dog, where all of the rescue organizations came out to talk to the public. I must have spoken to dozens of organizations (some wanting 400 bucks for a rescue of specific breeds), and the SPCA were the only people who were not condescending, pushy, rude, and appeared to actually want to adopt out their dogs. The SPCA also gave us a 5 week training course, and, because he was a special case, some free one on one training for about 4 or 5 weeks too, and a few hundred dollars of medication and vet bills. We still have a long way to go with his training, but it helped us so much what with my girlfriend loosing her job a month ago.
Sorry for the lengthy post, it's just, other dog owners are so frustrating and its becoming a chore to walk him now. I feel I should start looking for another place to go...there aren't many places in Berkeley though, the leash laws are incredibly lax all over Berkeley.
thats 40lbs heavier then me! Orrey, you have some courage .I'm in a similar situation as some of you guys, me and my girlfriend recently (a couple months now) rescued a dog from the Oakland SPCA. A 5 year old Belgian Malenois, hes outstanding. The only thing is that he's very unsocial, from the age of one until he was 5, his owner simply had him chained up in their yard and the poor guy was neglected, which led to this antisocial behavior - one day he escaped from the owners yard, met another dog, got scared and got into a fight with another dog so the owner took him back to the SPCA.
He's great with me and Kate, and hes ok with people after hes met them on his own terms, just wont tolerate people coming up to him and calling him, with their arms out. With other dogs its hit or miss, its mostly because he's nervous, he doesn't like other dogs coming up to him when hes on a leash, and he gets nervous if his leash is taught and he's near another dog.
Anyway, I take him down to the Berkeley Marina for a walk a couple of times a day, the marina park has a designated "off leash" area that I keep away from, everywhere else you are required to have a leash on your dog, yet I still encounter people with their dogs off leash. I really don't mind if their dogs are well trained, but most of the time they aren't, they don't come when called, or they come right up to Buckley.
On one occasion I was with Buckley on the grass and a dog came up out of nowhere and got into a fight with him, I looked and couldnt find his owner anywhere! All I could do was pull my dog away and try to fend off the other dog, I eventually managed to separate them as I was leaving I see the dogs owner, moseying over the hill who, upon seeing the tail end of the fight, did absolutly nothing, not even call his dog away! I wanted to give him a piece of my mind but I had my dog Buckley (still all excited and wired up from the fight) and his dog was still running all over the place, so I couldnt.
Another time I asked a man to call his dog away from mine because mine isn't very sociable, he said ok, but waited a minute until after Buckley barked and showed aggressive behavior before calling him back...it's hardly good for either dogs training.
On a side note, the SPCA have been outstanding. We went to a dog fair before we got a dog, where all of the rescue organizations came out to talk to the public. I must have spoken to dozens of organizations (some wanting 400 bucks for a rescue of specific breeds), and the SPCA were the only people who were not condescending, pushy, rude, and appeared to actually want to adopt out their dogs. The SPCA also gave us a 5 week training course, and, because he was a special case, some free one on one training for about 4 or 5 weeks too, and a few hundred dollars of medication and vet bills. We still have a long way to go with his training, but it helped us so much what with my girlfriend loosing her job a month ago.
Sorry for the lengthy post, it's just, other dog owners are so frustrating and its becoming a chore to walk him now. I feel I should start looking for another place to go...there aren't many places in Berkeley though, the leash laws are incredibly lax all over Berkeley.
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Good thing your dog was OK, BUT it was only from your intervention and maybe some luck. Think if it had been a child or an old person that Mastiff had gone after or if your dog had had a more timid owner who was afraid to tackle the attacking dog?
That kind of woman should not be owning that kind of a dog, end of the matter because it's certain the dog will do this kind of thing again and with worse results.
That kind of woman should not be owning that kind of a dog, end of the matter because it's certain the dog will do this kind of thing again and with worse results.
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Yea I'm only 155. If I'm this protective of my dog, when I have kids it will be horrible. I think I will look into some spray, could be good for both 4 and 2 legged problems. I had already planned to get my concealed handgun license but don't know if I feel comfortable using it in a situation like this. Seems that it would be a bit of overkill not to mention the legal issues.
Well I went to the Vet this morning and got his cut all cleaned out profesionally. I had tried to get it clean but he did a much better job. I also got a bunch of antibiotics so everything should be good. I went over to the ladies house and showed her the bill and she paid in cash with in 30 minutes of me leaving. I am glad it worked out and she said that she would be much more aware of her dog and get a choke chain. I hope this works out for her because I guarantee I won't be as nice if it happens again.
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I can only go by the account that you have provided, sir. Based on that, I feel it is correct for you to get her information and have her finance your puppy's medical treatment. And yours, as well. If she does not comply then I would have pursued small claims court. Really, who's to say? What if you were a young child playing in the front yard of your house and that Mastiff got loose? The Mastiff's owner has an obligation to keep her family and " her " community, safe.
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Orrey45, I'm glad things are working out. It's too bad you and your dog had to go through that.
Unless she can find one I'm unaware of, they don't make mastiff sized collars. I had to have mine custom made. The largest size the petstores can order is 30 inches. I had to go to a leather worker, "the beltman", to make a collar for finn.
I'll say this. In more than one way she was fortunate you dealt with this incident as nicely as you did. Good luck. Joe
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Unless she can find one I'm unaware of, they don't make mastiff sized collars. I had to have mine custom made. The largest size the petstores can order is 30 inches. I had to go to a leather worker, "the beltman", to make a collar for finn.
I'll say this. In more than one way she was fortunate you dealt with this incident as nicely as you did. Good luck. Joe
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Orrey,
I run with my dog quite a bit and have had a similar situation happen to me. I have a black lab and a 120lb boxer came running at us. It opened it's mouth and ran into my dog's side and put a pretty large hole in my dog's side. Luckily the people that owned the dog were very apologetic and paid ever last penny as well as left us some toys for my pup on our front step with an apology card. It made all the difference in the world knowing that those people cared.
I almost called the police, but decided not to.
I hope all the best to your pup. To this day, my dog does not like to walk by the house where she got bit, but when she sees that dog on the street she goes nuts. My dog doesn't really bark at any other dogs except that one.
My head is always on a swivel when I'm jogging with my dog and I do not listen to any music so I can stay more alert also. I carry a Boker Subcom now and a Street Defender ASP pepper spray.
Give you pup a pat on the head for me
I run with my dog quite a bit and have had a similar situation happen to me. I have a black lab and a 120lb boxer came running at us. It opened it's mouth and ran into my dog's side and put a pretty large hole in my dog's side. Luckily the people that owned the dog were very apologetic and paid ever last penny as well as left us some toys for my pup on our front step with an apology card. It made all the difference in the world knowing that those people cared.
I almost called the police, but decided not to.
I hope all the best to your pup. To this day, my dog does not like to walk by the house where she got bit, but when she sees that dog on the street she goes nuts. My dog doesn't really bark at any other dogs except that one.
My head is always on a swivel when I'm jogging with my dog and I do not listen to any music so I can stay more alert also. I carry a Boker Subcom now and a Street Defender ASP pepper spray.
Give you pup a pat on the head for me
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You can get a prong collat to fit. You'd have to buy two and add the links together to make one large one.
Sounds like the lady needs a little training, more than she needs a new collar.
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Cooper you sound like a very responsible dog owner but I'd just like to say that you might consider not avoiding the "off leash" areas with your pooch. In my experience dogs on a leash tend to be more aggressive/protective. Well supervised off leash play with other dogs can be tremendously therapeutic for a previously abused animal :thumbup:
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This is the truth of it. My Boxer went out on a short rolled leather leash with a pronged choker collar. It meant nothing to him. (I used to swing him up in the air in figure-eights wearing it. He laughed.)
But he never disobeyed me, even if all I did was grunt. He stopped what he was up to and came to see what I wanted. Training and affection when they're young and they obey reflexively when they are big enough to be dangerous.
The woman needs training for herself. I doubt she knows what's going on.
My dog is either an Olde English Bulldogge or a Pitbull/Bulldog mix. Since we rescued him from a backyard breeder (he was the stud) my guess is the latter. He has been in several dog fights when the other dog is off leash and runs up to him. The first time it happened I freaked out and kicked my dog's ass because I thought he would kill the other dog. Later, he got in several fights with pitbulls (I used to live in Memphis=one giant ghetto) when they would run up to him when he was walking.
I learned a few things from breaking up his fights:
1) Most owners have no idea how to control their dog period. When a fight breaks out you have to act correctly *in spite of the other owner*. In other words, he/she will be an impediment to you actually stopping the fight. Most people freak out in the face of real violence if they are not used to it.
2) It usually takes a long time for dogs to do real damage to each other. Just relax.
3) If one of the dogs has a grip on the other one, you can use a rear naked choke from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or just use their collar to choke one dog off the other. The point is all you have to do is cut off oxygen to the brain, and they will let go no matter how game they are. The rear naked choke is very easy to apply to a dog. The collar choke depends on if the dog's collar is flexible enough to be twisted so as to compress the carotid artery. Alternatively, you can do an actual collar choke with the dog's collar if you know gi Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
I learned a few things from breaking up his fights:
1) Most owners have no idea how to control their dog period. When a fight breaks out you have to act correctly *in spite of the other owner*. In other words, he/she will be an impediment to you actually stopping the fight. Most people freak out in the face of real violence if they are not used to it.
2) It usually takes a long time for dogs to do real damage to each other. Just relax.
3) If one of the dogs has a grip on the other one, you can use a rear naked choke from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or just use their collar to choke one dog off the other. The point is all you have to do is cut off oxygen to the brain, and they will let go no matter how game they are. The rear naked choke is very easy to apply to a dog. The collar choke depends on if the dog's collar is flexible enough to be twisted so as to compress the carotid artery. Alternatively, you can do an actual collar choke with the dog's collar if you know gi Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
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Yup, the most important training for a dog is a trained human.
Yeah you might be right. We're just socializing him a little in classes at the moment, he's very selective about his friends though, and he's been his most aggressive when he was on his leash and the other was off leash. Either way, I'll probably wait until I have a better hold of his mannerisms, and he's a little more responsive when distracted.
Even the play mates he gets along with, after about 10 minutes he tries to mount them, which the other dogs tend not to like too much
I'm glad the lady was appologetic Orrey, vet bills are expensive
.Mastiff ,could you use a good quality leather belt in a smaller mens size? I would personally want a custom collar for my dog as well but with dog food going up especially for a 200 pound+ dog I could see wanting to save a few bucks.
It really bugs me when people don't take responsibility for their dogs but really most don't do it for their kids much less their pets. Where I live is about 50% native and they do not as a rule train ,spade ,leash or control their dogs so we have packs of feral dogs running around. There has also been a rabies outbreak with all the skunks out this time of year.
It really bugs me when people don't take responsibility for their dogs but really most don't do it for their kids much less their pets. Where I live is about 50% native and they do not as a rule train ,spade ,leash or control their dogs so we have packs of feral dogs running around. There has also been a rabies outbreak with all the skunks out this time of year.
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screw the spray. get yourself a good TASER. nothing like 400,000 volts to stop a dog (or person) dead in its tracks.
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Unsub, that's essentially what this one is. It's one of his belts modified into a collar. The real cheap wal mart type mens belts aren't thick or sturdy enough to last very long. I just used a better, thicker, heavy stitched belt that Jim uses to sell to people that want stiffer belts due to concealed, or uniform carry. I forget which leather he used, as he uses several grades.
I just called him before the show he was working, and picked it up there. I've known Jim for 20 years now, so that's likely why he got the job instead of me doing it. He does better work than me anyway.
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Myright, thanks, and yes, I have to agree with you. Like Esav, mine was trained young, and now most of the time doesn't even need commands to do what's expected of him. When he does look to me for assurance, or advice a simple word is all it takes.
Dogs want their leader to know what they are doing, and to remain calm. In this case the lady wasn't providing enough leadership for her dog, so it decided to take charge and ended up making the wrong descision, and attacking Orrey45's dog.
It was a descision the dog should never have had to ( in it's mind) make. The owner is unsuitable for not only a mastiff, but any dog IMO.
I saw a woman get in trouble with her 18 lb. jack russell in virtually the same circumstances.
Some people really need to learn what they are doing, before attempting to do it. Wether driving, flying an aircraft, owning/walking dogs , whatever. The less you know, and less experience you have the greater the chance of bad things happening. Joe