My EDC Story - Victorinox Combo Tool Story

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My EDC Story - Victorinox Combo Tool Story

This is kind of two stories in one.

Although just like any boy I was fascinated with knives - but never actually considered carrying one on an everyday basis.

I tried carrying a few pocket knives - but after reading some article where the author broke the tip off of his custom knife when tightening a screw on his gun, I decided that the knife I carry should have a screwdriver. This really left me with SAKs, and the fact that they had corkscrews was a real bonus.

After talking it over with friends it seemed the concensus was that Victorinox was better - and anyway they were more available - so I went to my local hardware store where I knew they sold SAKs.

I was shown the Spartan and a budget line Waiter models -

Spartan
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my(budget) Waiter EDC Jan/1982 - Feb/1988 (printed logo worn off)
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what immediately caught my attention on the Waiter was the Combo or combination tool that had the function of screwdriver, can-opener, cap-lifter and wire stripper all in one -
and it could replace the two separate can-opener and cap-lifter tools on the Spartan model - yes, one loses the small blade, but basically one could have all the functionality of the Spartan model with one backspring less. Even better the Waiter (budget-line, no tools in the handle) was considerably cheaper - so I bought it - that was Jan/1982......

Having a screwdriver on me was a real boon - especially when you have a car that was not partcularly reliable. The corkscrew was a hit at parties, as was the bottle cap-lifter.

During my EDC I learnt that the red Cellidor handles get scratched easily, so I figured out that one could use car polish to bring back the shine on the handles. Metal polish or rubbing compound could minimize deeper scratches (that's why that old budget Waiter has handles that look pretty good). Although I could make the handles shiney again - the cheaper press-in silver printed logo would wear out - whereas the full-priced Vic SAKs had embedded metal logos.

So I remained quite happy with that EDC for almost 6 years, until I saw the Scientist model around Christmas 1987 and thought that it would be nice to add a Phillips screwdriver to my EDC - but could I live with one backspring more? The magnifying glass seemed superfluous - was there a model that had another tool in place of the that?

I took away a brochure and on further study I realized the Scientist had a ballpoint pen in the handle - WoW! I needed that!

But I still procrastinated and vacillated about the magnifying glass - was there a model that had another tool?

Took me about a month to figure out that Victorinox SAKs often paired up tools. The in handle Phillips driver was always paired with the magnifying glass. So if I wanted the Phillips driver and retaining the corkscrew - I was going to have to accept the magnifying glass. Once that was clear to me - I acquired a Scientist in Feb/1988.

The Scientist also had the Combo tool which I was glad of for all the reasons above - but the added Phillips driver was great I was able to use it on almost all Phillips headed screws - it just seemed to fit all sizes.

I then discovered a feature - the Phillips driver had a squared tang that allowed me to use it at right angles (90degs) to the handle for more torque and straight in-line for better access and quicker turning......... and the Combo tool worked that way too - didn't I already know that?** Later.......

I had also figure out from my previous experience of how easily the red cellidor handles marred that I could carry the knife in a pouch - so I made one out of car wash chamoise leather.

My second Scientist EDC Oct/1989 - Feb/1993 (shown with well worn home made chamoise leather pouch)
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During late August 1989 up in Connecticut by a park lake- I used the jeweller's driver to tighten sunglasses, and that was the last I recall seeing that Scientist, because when I got home, miles away, I couldn't find the knife - so I must have misplaced or dropped it. Sob.....

I did honestly try to live without a Scientist EDC - but it lasted only a short time. However, I still had the agony of waiting as the model was not easily available so I had to order it and pay full retail. But by Oct/1989 with my second Scientist I was whole again.

Fast forward to 1992 - I saw in Ken Warner's Knives 'XX book (probably 92) some photos of some stunning stag handled SAKs by a customizer KJ Lewis of South Carolina. When I read the notes they were actually Micarta scored to look like stag - even better. But I couldn't see any tools in the handle........

Eventually I phoned KJ and talked to him about the customization and asked if he inlet the tools in the handle. No, he didn't. That ballpoint pen in the handle was important to me, so KJ and I discussed the possibilities and the subtlties of the tools in thehandles - as I found quite by accident that the toothpick for example depended on the scales flexing. One day I saw the handles move when I extracted the toothpick - and thought I had found a fault - so I pinched the handles together and tried to replace/insert the toothpick and it would not go in until I eased up on the pressure - ah-ha! the light bulb goes on.

KJ accepted the challange of putting the tools in the handles.

In Feb/1993 I received my modified Scientist with tools in the handle - that was KJ's first.

Custom Scientist EDC Feb/1993 - present (with SackUp pouch).
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This customized Scientist has been my EDC since then.

and of course with creeping age that magnifying glass is no longer superfluous and now a very used tool.

So where's the Combo Tool story - other than being a common tool on my EDCs?

I was sent photocopies of an old Victorinox catalog -
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and no where in that catalog was a combo tool -

eg: these models only had the standard screwdriver cap-lifter tool:
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so perhaps that was before the combo tool was available - so that catalog had to be 1981 or before - since my budget Waiter (above) had one and that was Jan/1982.

Then I dug out my 21+years old budget Waiter and noticed the Combo tool did not have a squared tang so there wasn't the deliberate design to use it at right angles to the handle......

Not only that, the shape of that Combo Tool was different - look at the photos of the Waiter and the Scientist(s) again...... so maybe I didn't already know that afterall** .

Checking the older catalogs I had, I saw only the current combo tool shape - in all except the Forschner catalog I got circa 1987/8 -

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it showed both shapes of the combo tools -

Older Combo Tool Shape on the Waiter and Golfer models:
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Compared to the Combo Tool shape on the Scientist in the same catalog:
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so perhaps that was the transition period for the combo tool.

There, two stories in one - my facination for the Victorinox Combo tool for my EDCs and a discovery over 20 years later that I didn't know it at all..........

--
Vincent

http://UnknownVincent.cjb.net/
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Nice Story. Some good info for a VIC SAK buff like me. Thanks to you I now own 2 scientists and 2 yeomans.:) I struggle with maintaining the scales. I'll have to try the car polish. I took a fine sand paper on some worn scales and sanded the entire scales. They're dull, but they don't look bad. I'm trying to decide if I could coat them with something..., well that's a different story. thanks
 
Originally posted by markd1
I struggle with maintaining the scales. I'll have to try the car polish. I took a fine sand paper on some worn scales and sanded the entire scales. They're dull, but they don't look bad. I'm trying to decide if I could coat them with something...

Thank you markd1.

If you have already sandpapered the scales you may have to work progressively with finer grits/polishes to get back to the polished finish.

Try using some metal polish first to see if the scales start to look smooth and somewhat shiney again - then finish off with a good car polish.

However as I found it's much better to avoid marring the scales in the first place - carry the knife in a soft pouch.

The SackUps work great in pocket - the "flap" isn't really used as such - it never seems to want to stay closed naturally anyway - I use it as a locator/puller in my pocket to extract the knife and pouch, I have found a pouch is not really a hinderance for access to my knife.

Or make yourself a pouch then you can be as original/inventive as you want.

As for coating the scales - say like paint - this might look OK when first done - but the coating will quickly mar, and if different color from the scales - then the knife would probably look pretty awful.
 
Nice,

I have jigged the standard scales of some SAKS with a dremel, looks good and resists (hides) scratches better, the jigging isn´t deep because the scales are thin but still works fine.

I have also made replacement scales in wood.

Wenger also has a combo tool, different from Victorinox, but works too, and has a model like the waiter. Muela has one similar to Wenger´s in their SAK-like folders.

I don´t know how many SAKS I have today, much less how many I´ve had over the last 40 years, Vic Huntsman is my EDC.
 
Originally posted by Don Luis
I have jigged the standard scales of some SAKS with a dremel, looks good and resists (hides) scratches better, the jigging isn´t deep because the scales are thin but still works fine.

Wenger also has a combo tool, different from Victorinox, but works too, and has a model like the waiter. Muela has one similar to Wenger´s in their SAK-like folders.

I don´t know how many SAKS I have today, much less how many I´ve had over the last 40 years, Vic Huntsman is my EDC.

Many thanks Don.

The Huntsman used to be the model illustrated on the side of the Victorinox factory, and almost a sort of logo for them.

Have you tracked the progress/development of the Vic Huntsman over the years?
- for example around 1992/3 was when they added that ubiquitous multi-purpose hook thingy on the back of the scissors.

You're absolutely right about the Wenger "combination tool" - and they did have a model that was similar to the Vic Waiter - called the Entree (model # 16936) I can't seem to find it on www.WengerNA.com - but I'll post a pic from an old 1993 Wenger catalog when I do some more scanning.

The jigged standard handles sound cool -
would you be kind enough to show us a picture, please?
 
UnknownVT,

Sorry, I wish I could post pictures. Some day I may get a digital camera or at least a new scanner, then I would have to get a place to post or someone who would post for me.

I have one of those Wenger "Vic Waiter like", got it a few months ago at a local fishing shop (Mexico city), I added a Vic corkscrew screwdriver which fits this but not my older Wengers.
 
Originally posted by Don Luis
Some day I may get a digital camera or at least a new scanner, then I would have to get a place to post or someone who would post for me.

I have one of those Wenger "Vic Waiter like", got it a few months ago at a local fishing shop (Mexico city), I added a Vic corkscrew screwdriver which fits this but not my older Wengers.

Don,

Thanks again for the response -

here's that Wenger Entree from the circa 1993 catalog
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(minor note: this isn't exactly the layout in the catalog I cut and pasted the text details and moved them up closer to the knife and cropped the image)

Also here's a pic of the Victorinox building with the Huntsman on the side as a logo:
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and one of their letterhead circa 1993:
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BTW - if as implied you already have an old scanner - it may be actually more than adequate.

As all my images for the web are scanned at a humble lowly 150dpi which I believe most scanner probably will do - even then I have to resize/shrink the pics for posting.

Most screens display at 96dpi (PC) or 72dpi (Mac) so even scanning at 100dpi will yield photos larger than life-size on computer screens.

Anyway even brand new flatbad scanners are as low as the $30-50 range.

Here's a link to an article I wrote on flatbed scanners:

some general flatbed Scanners advice
 
UnknownVT,

Your posts and fine pictures always fire up my love of Victorinox SAKs. I recently bought a Scientist off of ebay and ordered two Boy Scout Yeoman and it's ALL YOUR FAULT!! I like the combo tool and find it easier to open a can with one, although the initial puncture is a little more difficult. Sometimes I do miss the small blade, though.

My Scientist did not come with a straight pin which would make it a pre-91 model according to a book that I recently bought called "Swiss Army Knives, A Collector's Companion" by Derek Jackson. It is a fine read, and includes pics of older models and a timeline for both the Soldier and Officer's models. The ISBN is 1-84092-235-4.

Thanks again for your great SAK posts!
 
Originally posted by APS
and it's ALL YOUR FAULT!!
<snip>
a book that I recently bought called "Swiss Army Knives, A Collector's Companion" by Derek Jackson. It is a fine read, and includes pics of older models and a timeline for both the Soldier and Officer's models. The ISBN is 1-84092-235-4.

Many thanks APS for your kind comments -

Yep, I take the blame everytime -
I think once was the Titanic :D :D
BUT I refuse to take any responsibility for
.....Celine :p

Thanks for the book reference - I'm on it like **** off a shovel :D :D

>> Actually thinking about it -

What does the book say about the Combo or Combination Tool?
Does it identify the (different) earlier type like on my first EDC (budget) Waiter, and when was it introduced?
Then when did the latest type come in?

Here are pics of the later combo tool on the Waiter and Scientist from a Victorinox catalog/pamphlet circa 1987/88:
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Also from the same pamphlet the instruction on the use of the Combo tool:
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whoa, very lengthy yet informative story!
so what do you think of the Huntsman 2? that is my personal favourite SAK because it's just got everything in it plus it comes with a case. mind you, that wouldn't be my choice for EDC because it's just too big, instead i have the Executive on my keys and that bad boy works like a charm

aXed
 
Vincent-great post and pictures. I’ve been interested in the Victorinox tool evolution for a long time. It’s nice to find that I’m not the only one who has noticed things like the pin, the hook, the sewing eye in the awl, the small blade shape change, etc. I was looking at my old Huntsman a few days ago and noted some of the changes. Most of them were probably done to either add to the total tool count (hook, sewing eye) or to ease manufacturing.
 
Originally posted by aXed
so what do you think of the Huntsman 2? that is my personal favourite SAK because it's just got everything in it plus it comes with a case. mind you, that wouldn't be my choice for EDC because it's just too big, instead i have the Executive on my keys and that bad boy works like a charm

aXed,

Thanks for the nice comments.

When you say Huntsman 2 did you mean this:
Huntsman
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huntsman
size:91 mm | 3 1/2 inch
Large blade
Small blade
Can opener with small screwdriver
Bottle opener with large screwdriver & wire stripper
Scissors
Wood saw
Reamer with sewing eye
Corkscrew
Hook
Toothpick
Tweezers
Key ring


or this:
Hunter
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hunter
red
size:111 mm | 4 3/8 inch
Large Lockblade
Corkscrew
Wood Saw
Gutting Blade
Cap Lifter with Can Opener
Screwdriver
Wire Stripper
Reamer with Sewing Eye
Key Ring
Tweezers
Toothpick


I love the Huntsman - and by the looks of it so do many others. At one time I even used Huntsman as a moniker.

However the Huntsman at 4 backsprings width is a bit wide for a comfortable EDC for me.

The Hunter - goes without saying is too big for an easy in pants-pocket carry (unless you're boasting -
is that a Hunter in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me? :D :D )

The Hunter is the only larger lockblade model imported to the USA by Swiss Army Brands that uses a Combo tool - I have this model with a stags head printed on the handles.
[although there seems to be some anomoly in the Forschners catalog - circa 1987/88 - that appears to show a few larger lockblade models with both the standard screwdriver tool and the combo tool paired - I'll post the scans later]

...or did you mean this kit?
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traveler's kit
black leather pouch
size:4 1/4 L x 1 1/2 W
Victorinox Huntsman Plus knife
Solitaire Maglite® flashlight
Compass
Ruler
Magnifying glass
Thermometer
Level

The Executive
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is a handy model, I especially like the orange peeler tool.
 
Originally posted by Frank
I was looking at my old Huntsman a few days ago and noted some of the changes. Most of them were probably done to either add to the total tool count (hook, sewing eye) or to ease manufacturing.

Frank - thank you for the response - of course you were the one who kindly sent me those photocopied pages.
That got me all fired up - when I found there wasn't a single combo tool on any of the knives in the whole of that catalog.

The sewing eye in the awl must have come post-1984 as my Vic Champion of 1984 did not have one, the Victorinox 100 year commemorative book "The Knife" of 1984 only show the awl without the sewing eye.

But the 1987/88 catalogs, both Victorinox and Forschners, show the sewing eye. Although the smaller 84mm models (like the Sportsman and Tinker) seem not to have the sewing eye (the current US imported Tinker does have it - but it is also now a 91mm model)

Here's the Huntsman shown as a company logo from that 100 year book (I'll post some interesting pages in another thread)

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and the logo does not show the sewing eye.

Actually I've only recently seen it - but there is an omission on that Huntsman logo -
and in all the ones I posted above too -
can you see it?
 
Originally posted by UnknownVT
Actually I've only recently seen it - but there is an omission on that Huntsman logo -
and in all the ones I posted above too -
can you see it?
Yes, it's the tool I use to remove staples. ;)
 
My SAK story is much shorter. I've carried a Tinker as long as I can remember. Big blade for everyday utility, small blade always sharp as a razor in case I ever need it.

Phillips screwdriver is a much handier tool than the corkscrew as all the restaurants I go to seem to have corkscrews (and I have dozens at home). There seems to me to be very few uses for the scissors that couldn't be accomplished with a sharp blade (I rarely trim my moustache away from home). I'm still waiting to see someone walking down the street using that hook to carry a brown paper package, tied up with string, so I never felt the need for that particular tool.

I sometimes think I would like to have the saw blade, but it just makes the knife thicker and heavier, and in all honesty, I can't imagine an everyday situation in which I'd need it.

Oh, and I've never polished mine because I don't care if the scales are scratched.
 
Originally posted by ichor
I've carried a Tinker as long as I can remember.

The Tinker is a very popular model.

Is yours a 84mm (3 1/4") or the 91mm (3 1/2") model?
When did you get it?

Thanks,
 
Originally posted by UnknownVT
The Tinker is a very popular model.

Is yours a 84mm (3 1/4") or the 91mm (3 1/2") model?
When did you get it?

Thanks,

It's a 3 1/2", Vincent. I'm not sure how long I've had this one. Couple years, maybe. I've owned a dozen or more, over the years, because I have a habit of giving them away. Whenever I see them on sale at a hardware store, or whatever, I buy several, so that when I give them away I know I have another at home. And I have them for birthdays and stuff. Only once did I give the one in my pocket away and went home to discover that the three new ones I had at home, I had also given away. Duh. What a brain cramp. That time, I think I may have paid close to retail to make sure I had one in my pocket (not that I didn't have plenty of other pocket knives).
 
Vincent,

You know, the book doesn't mention the combo tool, nor is there a single picture of the many in there that has a combo tool in it. Maybe it isn't such a good book after all, but it is a current publication (1999) and I got mine at swissknifeshop.com. There are a number of old catalog pages, like early 1900s, with hand drawn pictures of their knives. One even has a folding shotgun shell puller! There is also a decent section on advertising in which they have ads from a number of different companies making reference to the SAK. There are a few type-o's but I think it is worthwhile for a SAK nut.

There was mention of the Tinker above. My first Tinker, late 80s, was an 84mm model that had a can key in the phillips screwdriver. The end was split a short length so you could stick the nub of metal ribbon that used to hold on spam and corned beef can lids. Did you ever have one of those? The book doesn't mention the can key, but does say that the phillips screwdriver was added in 1952 along with the large nailfile w/nail cleaner, metal saw and metal file, fish scaler and hook disgorger.
 
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