My experience with a rude South Afican knife maker.

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Hi all.
I'm just a bit curious , has any one experienced unethical behaviour when ordering a knife from Andre Van Hearding from A2 knife out of South Africa. I had a personal horrific experience . I wish his customer skills were as good as his knifes.I've been told by many that he is not a pleasant person. This brings me back to a youtube video I watched recently by I think Dr frunky or epic snuggle bunnyon custom knifes .basically it outline my experience I had with this maker. Should we buy from makers that think they doing us a favour by making a knife for us with our hard earned money or move on an support maker that actually appreciates our business an treats their customers with respect .I.would love to here what you Guys think. REGARDS
 
Hi all.
I'm just a bit curious , has any one experienced unethical behaviour when ordering a knife from Andre Van Hearding from A2 knife out of South Africa. I had a personal horrific experience . I wish his customer skills were as good as his knifes.I've been told by many that he is not a pleasant person. This brings me back to a youtube video I watched recently by I think Dr frunky or epic snuggle bunnyon custom knifes .basically it outline my experience I had with this maker. Should we buy from makers that think they doing us a favour by making a knife for us with our hard earned money or move on an support maker that actually appreciates our business an treats their customers with respect .I.would love to here what you Guys think. REGARDS
 
Thanks guys , this is Mainly to create an awairness and to prevent other knife lovers from going true the same experience I had
 
There are alot of unethical makers. The problem is we don't have anything to guide people away from these horror stories.

We got the good bad and ugly to help but it's not always used when people see something they think looks good they just buy it and don't research it.

Another thing is that people don't always share there experiences and hold the makers accountable.
 
I'll second that he's not pleasant to work with. He clearly only wants to make knives for dealers to resell.

I've always viewed it as a question of, are you buying knives that you need, or you want? If you need a specific knife or tool for work or otherwise, then you get what you need. If, however, it's just a knife you want, and it's a purely discretionary purchase, you might as well give your money to people whose values you support.
 
I'll second that he's not pleasant to work with. He clearly only wants to make knives for dealers to resell.

I've always viewed it as a question of, are you buying knives that you need, or you want? If you need a specific knife or tool for work or otherwise, then you get what you need. If, however, it's just a knife you want, and it's a purely discretionary purchase, you might as well give your money to people whose values you support.
 
Agreed . Well he definitely lost my support. And hopefully this post makes others awair of his conduct. Maby he needs to loose support to get a reality check because if it's not for us knife nuts hel basically be with out a job.
 
I'll briefly outline an experience I've endured recently with a very accomplished and well-known maker. A maker that, ironically, uses his customer service as a selling point for his knives. I'm sure, given that, some people might know who I'm talking about. Strangely, it seems that many have in fact had great dealings with him, however, life seems to be infringing upon his ability to conduct himself in a respectful way. Before I say anything, I should note that I've had well over 200+ knives pass through my hands through the years and have spoken to a number of makers directly, some at length. With all of this said, I have never once found myself obliged to send a knife back for a refund like I have in this situation.

I emailed this maker once or twice, whom claims on his website that he is available 9-5 Mon - Fri anytime during those hours, via text, email, or phone, about purchasing some aftermarket upgrades and having some custom work done, which he allows and advertises on his site. After about 10 days of silence, I gave him a call and explained to him that I had sent a few emails and hadn't heard anything back and that I'd like to have some work done. He said that he was taking the day off and that'd he'd get back with me via email that night when he was back at home. Nothing. I ended up sending another email that remained unanswered and eventually sent him a couple texts. He did end up responding to my texts, rather carelessly, i.e. not actually addressing my questions but rather glazing over them/brushing them off. I got the impression he was rather busy, overwhelming so, it would seem. While he didn't seem to have time to answer my questions with care and attention, he did manage to post on Instagram knives he was trying to sell/had sold, yet, wouldn't respond to someone trying to give him money in a reasonable fashion...Inevitably, after about a dozen attempts to extract a simple answer, I told him not to worry about it and that I was very displeased with the hassle it had become at that point. Of course, finally, he responded in a rather passive aggressive manner telling me to send him the knife and he would complete the work for free, as I was upset.

I accepted his offer to complete the work but told him to send me an invoice for the cost as I wasn't trying obtain a hand out, I just wanted some honest work done. I sent him the tracking information and details, he didn't say anything, I asked him if he had received it, he didn't say anything, then, finally, I received notice that my knife was being returned. When I shipped the knife, I included a note stating what work I wanted done, just to reiterate for probably the 4th or 5th time, and to, again, send him my PayPal email so that he could send me an invoice. I ended up receiving the package from him, in the same box I sent him, with my note completely untouched. He completed the work on the blade, carelessly, adding a coating and not bothering to return the logo. The hardware was meant to be black-washed and titanium, it came back steel, cerakoted and marred with tooling marks. The only response I was able to get from him after expressing my desire to sell the knife immediately and my absolute displeasure with his service, was that he'd refund me and to send it back.

I did just that. The unfortunate thing for him is that I had adored his work. The knife was stellar and I had had plans to order a custom within the coming months, needless to say, that won't be happening.

I will only support a maker that supports me. If they are only out to get my money and have me shut up and smile, then they'll not be getting said money. There are SO MANY good makers out there that will bend over backwards to answer you questions and address your concerns. Eugene from Olamic, Jake Hoback from Hoback Knives, Sal's people from Spyderco, Ben Tendick from BRT Bladeworks, Jerry and his people from Busse/kin, etc. These are HIGH END and EXPENSIVE knives. Half of the value is in the man/woman selling them. Just my 2 cents.
 
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I'll briefly outline an experience I've endured recently with a very accomplished and well-known maker. A maker that, ironically, uses his customer service as a selling point for his knives. I'm sure, given that, some people might know who I'm talking about. Strangely, it seems that many have in fact had great dealings with him, however, life seems to be infringing upon his ability to conduct himself in a respectful way. Before I say anything, I should note that I've had well over 200+ knives pass through my hands through the years and have spoken to a number of makers directly, some at length. With all of this said, I have never once found myself obliged to send a knife back for a refund like I have in this situation.

It sounds like the maker would prefer to work on new knives, rather than modify existing ones. That's not unexpected - I'd imagine most knifemakers got into the field because it's fun, not to get rich. They'd prefer to create new things rather than work on something they'd previously finished, money notwithstanding.

Personally, if a maker has ignored two or more of my messages, especially when sent through different channels, I write them off. It might be a temporary thing (they're busy), or just how they conduct business, but I can't imagine I'd end up being happy with the results I'd get from a maker after I had to hound them to get anything.

And I absolutely do think it could be a temporary thing for some makers who are otherwise great to work with. In fact, I'm in a similar situation with one of the "good makers" you listed - he has been hard enough to contact that I'm not going to try any further, despite him having a solid rep overall. Plenty of other places to spend my money.
 
It sounds like the maker would prefer to work on new knives, rather than modify existing ones. That's not unexpected - I'd imagine most knifemakers got into the field because it's fun, not to get rich. They'd prefer to create new things rather than work on something they'd previously finished, money notwithstanding.

Personally, if a maker has ignored two or more of my messages, especially when sent through different channels, I write them off. It might be a temporary thing (they're busy), or just how they conduct business, but I can't imagine I'd end up being happy with the results I'd get from a maker after I had to hound them to get anything.

And I absolutely do think it could be a temporary thing for some makers who are otherwise great to work with. In fact, I'm in a similar situation with one of the "good makers" you listed - he has been hard enough to contact that I'm not going to try any further, despite him having a solid rep overall. Plenty of other places to spend my money.

I would usually agree with you however in this situation it's not the case. Most knife makers are also tinkerers and innovators by nature, I get it. It's the reason why a large majority of knife makers don't even offer customization services, however, this one does. The maker in question has a very small number of models that have been around forever and all of them are oriented around a single model with varying sizes. Almost all of his work is a customized variant of said models offered in a set amount of styles/finishes. There's even an entire page dedicated to custom work and I would imagine that comprises a decent amount of his business as I can't believe there are too many people with more than a few variants as they are so similar.

It wasn't even so much that he was hard to get a hold of, it was the experience as a whole. Whenever I contact a maker, I accept and understand that answering emails is secondary to making knives, they are after all knife makers, not secretaries. A lot of the time, these guys are one or two man operations with the other employee being shop help. Given that, I don't expect an answer in a day. I usually wait a few weeks before attempting to contact them again. It's more the response that counts than the lack thereof. Every response I received was lacking and the ones that weren't were rude and insensitive to the symbiotic relationship between business and customer. My time is just as valuable as anyone else's and should be treated as such. If you don't have the time to deal with me, especially given the circumstance, I TOTALLY get it. I would've accepted a "Hey man, I'm really slammed at the moment and I can't take on any extra work. Contact me somewhere down the line if you're still interested and I appreciate your business!" Done. We're good and for the most part, I'd be totally satisfied. I certainly wouldn't denounce the maker all together. It adds insult to injury that customer service is his selling point. Literally. Something along the lines of "knives will always change and get better, my customer service is the best in the business all of the time." Yeah....

As for one of my "good makers" doing you dirty, that sucks. I don't know if I'd even want to know who it is or would rather stay blissfully ignorant. But, if all it is is a lack of response, I think I could stomach that a lot easier than lack of a response and an inevitable rude one finished off with blatant disregard and lack of care. YMMV I guess.

Point being, there are plenty of other guys out there that will work hard for you hard earned money. Those are the guys I want to support.
 
Further I also found an element of favouritism(time line related) , when I presented my proof to the relevant knife governing bodies in a long email I send to them it was overlooked , after a discussion between the chairman of the knife body and this particular maker regarding the maker, I got an email from Andre van hearing canceling my order and an email from the knife institution stating that they are removing them self from the matter. What a way to establish fait in an organization.My view is that the institution was protecting their maker that is registered under them even after proof of favouritism was preset to them . The maker probably found himself in a corner after he was exposed about his rudeness and misconduct . Also note in the cancellation from the maker he stated no reason as to why he is canceling my order.
 
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Agreed, I personally bought knifes from other makers such as Johan ellis(slipjoint) maker who was an absolute pleasure to deal with he kept on thanking me for the support well awair that he clearly knew he is selling me a great knife. Just shows how humble is he as in my view he is an excellent slip joint maker.
 
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