My experience with JFoley4 AKA Jason Foley (definite THUMBS DOWN)

[ooitzoo]

Is that knife even legal in NYC?

Yep. Provided that the detent works. Which, in this case, it did not.

Seems to me that this post could have been avoided. Seller offered to accept the knife back for a refund and buyer wanted to do it another way - which I would not do either if I was the seller. Did seller make an error with condition? probably, does it seem to be malicious - no.

Did he make an error? Dude, he made at least three and refused to acknowledge them until I insisted on a refund. Its not like I said "there's something wrong" and he said "ok, send it back". It was more like I said "there is something wrong" and he said nothing for two days then insisted that I send him pics / video then went silent again.

To both parties involved directly: Please make a reasonable effort to resolve the issues at hand in a courteous manner. Without insults, it's just not necessary and always counterproductive.

What insults have been thrown? Foley's response was full of lies so I called him on it.

I'm going to side with Jfoley4 on this one. You were not satisfied with the knife. He offered to refund your money. I would have handled the return the same way - send the knife, then once I have it in hand, I will refund the money. Thumbs up to Jfoley4 for doing a good job of trying to get things worked out.

Yes, he offered a refund. Four days later after he likely realized that he had no other choice. If you want to "side" with him (whatever that means) then you're welcome to it. Just don't be shocked when it bites you in the ass.

 

[Haze]

I think our mate RevDevil's post here is worth reading again.....

Just keep in mind that there is a difference between honest mistakes and repeated malicious behavior. Takening a person's honest mistake and converting it into a crusade to the end often leads to a damaged reputation for the head crusader. Take it for whatever it's worth.

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

I'm going to side with Jfoley4 on this one. You were not satisfied with the knife. He offered to refund your money. I would have handled the return the same way - send the knife, then once I have it in hand, I will refund the money. Thumbs up to Jfoley4 for doing a good job of trying to get things worked out.

^^^ This. I've always expected to return an item before I get the refund. After all, do you call Sears and demand the refund before you carry your purchase back and hand it over?

 

[ooitzoo]

^^^ This. I've always expected to return an item before I get the refund. After all, do you call Sears and demand the refund before you carry your purchase back and hand it over?

Maybe or maybe if Sears decides to give you the runaround and refuses to honor their obligations then you call you credit card co and tell them to reverse payment.

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

Maybe or maybe if Sears decides to give you the runaround and refuses to honor their obligations then you call you credit card co and tell them to reverse payment.

If they had the merchandise back in their hands and still refused a refund, you can bet I would. I don't see that you were refused your refund, I think it went as it should have. You returned, he refunded, end of problem.

 

[ooitzoo]

If they had the merchandise back in their hands and still refused a refund, you can bet I would. I don't see that you were refused your refund, I think it went as it should have. You returned, he refunded, end of problem.

Or if they outright told you that they wouldn't refund your money / ignored you --which is actually a lot closer to what happened here. The subtle difference is that PP will always tell you to send the items back. If you no longer have the item then you're screwed. As such if the seller decides to deflect the issue or ignore you and you send the item back anyway then you've likely got a bigger problem entirely.

Either way, you're entitled to your opinion. These posts are meant to be informational for prospective buyers / traders / etc. You can take it into account or you can ignore it. That's up to the person. I've done my part and I don't particularly care what folks do with the information.

 

[Haze]

It seems to me you were pissed off the the knife was not what you wanted/expected and you are now playing the payback game because he didn't bend over and pull his socks up for you. We get it, he didn't ask how high when you said jump, but really just move on. You have the money back he has the knife just walk away...

Or if they outright told you that they wouldn't refund your money / ignored you --which is actually a lot closer to what happened here. The subtle difference is that PP will always tell you to send the items back. If you no longer have the item then you're screwed. As such if the seller decides to deflect the issue or ignore you and you send the item back anyway then you've likely got a bigger problem entirely.

Either way, you're entitled to your opinion. These posts are meant to be informational for prospective buyers / traders / etc. You can take it into account or you can ignore it. That's up to the person. I've done my part and I don't particularly care what folks do with the information.

 

[knarfeng]

From the number of threads ooitzoo has started in GBU, I am certain I would neither buy from him nor sell to him.

 

[ooitzoo]

It seems to me you were pissed off the the knife was not what you wanted/expected and you are now playing the payback game because he didn't bend over and pull his socks up for you. We get it, he didn't ask how high when you said jump, but really just move on. You have the money back he has the knife just walk away...

That is decidedly not the case. I'm done trying to convince you of anything. Its a waste of my time.

From the number of threads ooitzoo has started in GBU, I am certain I would neither buy from him nor sell to him.

Really? Interesting. So, as a mod, you're actively discouraging me from sharing my experience in dealing with folks here? Ok, I guess if that's your stance then that's fine with me. Exactly how many threads have I started? I can think of two, including this one. Maybe you'd like to shed light on any others.

 

[jwaj]

ooitzoo, I don't have a horse in this one. Sometimes it is best to take a break from the situation and not respond to posts immediately. Just reading something when you may be upset can easily change the meaning or intent of someones reply.

 

[Haze]

I totally understand your point and agree with it for the most part, you are just going about it the wrong way. I realise you clearly have some entitlment issues as I remeber a recent converstaion we had and those are showing here. At the end of the day he owes you nothing, you got the deal reversed and that is the end of it, trying to drag it out further than that does you no favours at all.

That is decidedly not the case. I'm done trying to convince you of anything. Its a waste of my time.

 

[ceptor781]

You have made your point with your insults and name calling. I am surprised by your behavior towards this. I sold the knife as it came to me. If nothing else this has taught me I can't rely on the production company to be perfect. I still have to check for flaws on a knife that is Like new. you got everything you were after there was no need to drag me through the mud and make me out to be the bad guy. Stay classy

While this seems to have gotten emotional, I understand it, we're only human. It looks to me that the bolded above is the root of the problem. If a member is selling an item he/she should know the condition. Passing the buck to that's how I got it new doesn't fly. If you buy an item new from a retailer with flaws, no matter how minor, that is on you for accepting it. When you decide to sell same item you have to deal with the flaws. Can't just say LNIB and expect someone else accept it too. It comes off as dishonesty when it's probably just laziness.

 

[ooitzoo]

Let's dissect these lies. Shall we?

I in no way dropped the ball. This is a very one sided story. You are definitely on a personal crusade to get me. Bottom line is you were unhappy with the knife you purchased. I offered a refund upon return of the knife. You felt like that wasn't good enough and Filed a paypal claim.

Really? So you didn't ignore my emails for a total of four days? You didn't insist on pics and video? Hmmm, I seem to have emails backing that up.

You are mad about issues that I have no control over. Im sorry this happened. I in no way meant to do this.

You don't have any control over how you list an item? How hard is it to honestly and appropriately list your item for sale? Either you're a fraud, lazy, or just plain incompetent. Regardless of which you pick its not a very good outcome.

paypal sent me a email the day after I got the knife saying the item arrived and money was to be refunded. It would have been taken care of the day I got it back except I was out of town for business.

How convenient. You had time to post on the forum in that time though. I guess logging into PP would have been too much of a difficulty. Bottom line is I had to call PP and waste yet more time on getting the refund actually processed.

EDIT. I received funds for the knife saturday. It got mailed out saturday and You received it monday.

So? Does that excuse sending a $215 knife in a padded envelope using first class mail with no insurance? Suppose it came in badly banged up or suppose it was stolen en route. Then what? I guess saving $5 is more important then making sure that it gets here.

There is nothing I did to make you think I wouldn't refund your money upon return of the knife.

Except your repeated failure to step up and get this right. At that point, you'd screwed up on shipping, screwed up on the description, screwed up on handling the return, and to top it off you actually didn't refund the money -- PP had to get involved twice.

ooitzoo, I don't have a horse in this one. Sometimes it is best to take a break from the situation and not respond to posts immediately. Just reading something when you may be upset can easily change the meaning or intent of someones reply.

Yep. You're right. Thinking it thru overnight I decided I'd rather have a fact based argument (above.)

I totally understand your point and agree with it for the most part, you are just going about it the wrong way. I realise you clearly have some entitlment issues as I remeber a recent converstaion we had and those are showing here. At the end of the day he owes you nothing, you got the deal reversed and that is the end of it, trying to drag it out further than that does you no favours at all.

What entitlement issues do I have? I guess the expectation that people deal honestly and fairly can be construed as "entitlement" but without it where are we?

Also, having a you chide me for having entitlement issues is quite funny.

 

[JTR357]

From the number of threads ooitzoo has started in GBU, I am certain I would neither buy from him nor sell to him.

This^^

 

[JTR357]

Also, having a Scotsman chide me for having entitlement issues is quite funny.

Also What exactly do you mean by bring Haze's nationality into it?Pretty low bro.:thumbdn:

 

[ooitzoo]

Also What exactly do you mean by bring Haze's heritage into it?Pretty low bro.:thumbdn:

He previously posted something about America. It wasn't disparaging but I will EDIT it out for PC crowd.

ADDENDUM: As previously mentioned, I've started TWO threads. That's over the course of two years. If you're offended by that I guess I can live with that.

 

[Morrow]

This thread needs to settle down a bit. Any more discussion of anyone other the concerned parties will be dealt with. Keep it civil

 

[blt-2-drg]

I can see where ooitzoo is coming from. If i had purchased a knife described as new and it clearly wasnt i would be hesitant to just send it back and hope to receive a refund. It would be hard for me to further trust someone that has already deceived me.

Furthermore, i believe ooitzoo did the right thing in filing a claim with paypal. Its really a win win for both parties involved. The seller has to receive the knife back before issuing the refund and the buyer feels safe the money is being held by paypal in the meantime. Had ooitzoo sent the knife without filing a claim and the seller then claimed he never received the knife paypal would not accept a claim at that point and ooitzoo would be out the money and the knife.

That said, i also believe this thread has gone a little too far. I say at this point post feedback and move on.

 

[Guyon]

He previously posted something about America. It wasn't disparaging but I will EDIT it out for PC crowd.

You should edit it out for common decency.
You might take a look at your behavior here, and realize that you're flailing at anyone who disagrees with you.
I think RevDevil's first post in this thread contains excellent advice.

 

[RevDevil]

I don't know if entitlement is the correct description here, but it does seem pretty sad when a nice hobby, shared with a community with like minded individuals, turns into a witch hunt. I've seen how when a person feels wronged (real or imagined), they won't be satisfied until there is blood everywhere. In my opinion, this is the low road and never leads to anything good. Some folks are way too high strung as it is, and and when a simple issue is presented they opt for the most extreme options that draw the biggest audiences. I just don't get it, but I keep a list of those individuals and I refuse to do any kind of business with them. Even if they offered me 3 times my asking price for an item, I'd say, "Sorry, but I will have to pass".

I'm not sure why the guy didn't answer emails for 4 whole, long days. Maybe he was spending time with family, or working, or something else that required him to be somewhere else. It's not like 4 days is an eternity. The triggerhappy "well if he did this, I'm going to go 10 times harder" attitude do nothing more than hurt your reputation and is a clear sign of immaturity. I do know that you seem to be very fast to judge everyone else, especially in this subforum. I've seen it first hand in threads we've both posted in. That's just too bad though, your armor is getting a very nice patina.
Link