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My first custom knife, and I have to wait 4 years....

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I just placed an order for my first custom knife, a DB Fraley Torrent Flipper. Only bad thing is I have to wait 4 years. According to him in an email, his next delivery window is June 2011.

Anyone else have one of his knives? I ran across his site by accident one day, and then the next month he had a bio article in Blade (or was it Knives Ill?). The frames and the coloring are what caught me.

A Smith
 
You will not be disappointed in a Fraley. I have one of his knives and it is a very nice piece of work. Great attention to detail, perfect fit and finish, and lots of little extra details.

Mine is a lefty Deluge with F18 scales and an extra set of burl scales with damascus bolsters-liner-lock.

He does great work!:thumbup::thumbup:
 
Derek makes a great knife. I've had quite a few of his knives on my website and in my collection and never had a bad one. I have one coming in tomorrow but it's already sold.

Phillip :)
 
I just placed an order for my first custom knife, a DB Fraley Torrent Flipper. Only bad thing is I have to wait 4 years. According to him in an email, his next delivery window is June 2011.

The frames and the coloring are what caught me.

A Smith

Have you handled one?

If not, how do you know that you will like it? Will being readily able to sell it make up for 4 lost years of anticipation?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Derek's knives are really nice. I have one and my Torrent flipper is due 2010. So don't feel so bad, bro....it'll be worth the wait.
 
I don't have any experience with Mr. Fraley's knives (other than hearing they're outstanding), but as to the wait I can understand. Through one thing or another, I had to wait 5 years to get my RJ Martin Devastator (which I didn't actually get to handle for the first time until last summer). I can only tell you that the wait was worth it. In the end I got to know a true gentleman and have received probably the most fantastic knife I've ever had. I couldn't be more happy about it!

What are the particulars on your knife? I hear Mr. Fraley does wonderful things with Stellite!
 
After you have handled a bunch of them, you learn what you like, but if you have never taken the plunge before?

I seriously question the "heck yeahs" simply due to the fact that we are dealing with a newb here.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
After you have handled a bunch of them, you learn what you like, but if you have never taken the plunge before?

I seriously question the "heck yeahs" simply due to the fact that we are dealing with a newb here.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson


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After you have handled a bunch of them, you learn what you like, but if you have never taken the plunge before?

I seriously question the "heck yeahs" simply due to the fact that we are dealing with a newb here.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

If he has to wait 4 years, he still has time to change his mind if he is able to handle one of Fraley's knives. He will also have time to buy other customs and/or handle them and compare them to the one that he ordered.

If you question the "heck yeahs", are you questioning whether he is making a worthwhile choice in his selection or are you questioning the support for Fraley's work?

I don't think that you necessarily have to handle every custom knife or even a particular knifemaker's knife to place an order.:rolleyes:
 
If he has to wait 4 years, he still has time to change his mind if he is able to handle one of Fraley's knives. He will also have time to buy other customs and/or handle them and compare them to the one that he ordered.

If you question the "heck yeahs", are you questioning whether he is making a worthwhile choice in his selection or are you questioning the support for Fraley's work?

I don't think that you necessarily have to handle every custom knife or even a particular knifemaker's knife to place an order.:rolleyes:

1. He wrote that he is buying his FIRST custom. One of my questions would be, "has he been to a knife show, or a gun show, with a selection of custom knives to handle". If it is simply a question of the Torrent being the first custom that he saw that tripped his trigger, I would have to say "handle it"

2. I like and support Derek Fraley's work. It is a testament to his popularity that he is so backlogged.

3. The more educated you are about knives in general, the more you find specific things to focus on. I just wonder how much AWGuns's tastes will change in 4 years.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
As Mr. Smith is a new collector, he may not know what his taste in knives will be in a month, must less FOUR YEARS? :confused:

I have often wondered, how many knives actually get made and delivered from a maker's reported "4 year waiting list".

Many new collectors make the mistake of buying and ordering anything and everything before doing the necessary research to find which makers, types and styles of knives they will be interested in long term.

Too often these collectors become frustrated as they end up with dozens of knives they can't sell or recoup their investment from, thus can't afford the knives they finally realize they are truly inspired by.

My comments are not directed towards Mr. Fraley, as I don't know anything about his knives or popularity, however just making a point from my observations as to buying trends of new collectors.
 
If he has to wait 4 years, he still has time to change his mind if he is able to handle one of Fraley's knives. He will also have time to buy other customs and/or handle them and compare them to the one that he ordered.

I don't think that you necessarily have to handle every custom knife or even a particular knifemaker's knife to place an order.:rolleyes:


I think a maker needs to have as accurate an order list as possible for his benefit as well as potential buyers.

Let's suppose Spyken elected not to wait 4 years, however 16 collectors ahead of him ordered casually, and will pass went their slot materializes. Both the maker and serious collector suffer. Back to my previous comment "how many special ordered knives actually get made and delivered"?
I'm all for established makers requiring a hefty deposit at time of order, as this helps the maker to quote a legitimate delivery time ands weeds out the wishy washy orderer.
 
I don't how many long delivery time orders get cancelled, but I know that I have cancelled one, because my taste in knives changed. This was with a maker that if I kept my order in I would have been able to make a great deal of money turning the knife over, but I felt that it would be better to let others get their knives a little sooner.

This reminds me, I should contact Michael Connor and see how my knife is coming.
 
In regard to managing your collection, sometimes it may not be good to get delivery early. The collector may have made acquisitions pending on the ordered knife being ready in two years and may not have the funds available for the early delivery.
 
I didn't realize there would be such a discusion about all this.

I am a newbie when it comes to knives, whether custom or factory. Until recently, I never carried a knife, other than when hunting or fishing. My job now pretty much dictates that I carry a knife, or at least have one handy during the day. And since I have been carrying everyday, it has now carried over into my off hours. I honestly never realized how much I use it at times when I am not at work.
Now that I am using it more, I find myself looking more deeply into knives, trying to figure out what I like, and what blade type suits my needs. I also have seperated my 'work' knife from my 'carry' knife (although that has changed this week- I was unhappy with the Kershaw Cyclone). I have decided that I would like to have something a little more fancy during my off hours, so I have decided to look for something with a bit more flair and quality, along with being useful. Hence my order to Mr. Fraley.

I have never handle any of his knives. Nor have I seen any at the few shows I have attended. I ordered it because it was visually pleasing,was a flipper, and had a useable blade shape. I read the article on him, looked at his site many times, and finally made the decision to place the order. There is high probablitity that my tastes will change by then, and if the knife turns out to be far from it at that time, I will deal with it then. I don't think it would make a difference if it was a year wait or four, that is a possibility. Selling it would be an option, and the fact that it is a quality piece would definitely help in that area, but that was not in my thinking when I placed the order.

Yes, my tastes will change over the course of 4 years. I think thats true of anyone. Yes, I will find myself more scrutinizing as I become more educated about the product, whether custom or factory.

There is no doubt that I will purchase a custom folder from another maker before I receive Mr. Fraleys work. After all, isn't that the way a collection starts?

I have to admit that it took me a day to settle down and write this. I didn't expect all the interest or the opinions that have shown up, and at first I was a little put off. But I had to come to reality that I opened myself up to all of it by posting. Your comments and opinions are greatly appreciated.

A Smith
 
Yes, some of us are a bit opinionated. :D
I didn't mean to single you out.

We have many good discussions on this forum regarding the many aspects of custom knife collecting in threads such as “Collecting Custom Bowies”, “Just the Knives or Makers” and “Does it fit in my Collection” just to name just a few. All of which are very informative for new collectors.
You are starting out right in going to shows, reading the publications and frequenting this forum. So welcome to custom knife collecting and again sorry I got off subject with all this discussion when you were just stating that you ordered your first custom knife. :)
 
I didn't realize there would be such a discusion about all this.

Yes, my tastes will change over the course of 4 years. I think thats true of anyone. Yes, I will find myself more scrutinizing as I become more educated about the product, whether custom or factory.

A Smith

And if you decide you do not want the knife, let me know :). I had already 4 knives by Derek (it took me some time to decide what I want) and have one scheduled for VII/2007 but could use another one as well. :)

Some pictures if you do not mind:

My current Torrent:

4intorrent.jpg


previous ones:

4.5" Torrent

XXLtor1.jpg



4" Torrent:

torrenta.jpg


4 3/4" Deluge proto:

fraley.jpg
 
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