My first Sighting of Buck/Remington knives for sale.

Buck Knives is remodeling part of its factory to produce the Remington-branded knives......

Makael, maybe they were clearing space to make room for all the shipping containers that would be coming from China... (just joking). I suspect the Remington product line is going to be dual origin, just like the Buck line. I'd love to go take a look at the packaging label on that knife but it is a 70 mile round trip to Cabela's. /Roger
 
This looks like one of the yearly holiday tins Bucks puts out except they stuck the Remington name on it because they can now. A cheap stocking stuffer or a gift for the family member you have to buy something for but who is not worth a better Buck knife.

I personally don't like the cheaper China Buck knives in these tins. I do like the tins though. I would buy one with candy in it. Please do this!
 
.... I personally don't like the cheaper China Buck knives in these tins. I do like the tins though. I would buy one with candy in it....

Funny, I'm just the opposite, I have a significant sub collection of the ChinaBuck slip joints, probably the only person on this forum who does collect them. I have every model & handle variation I know of, just the 389 Canoes alone figures about 25 different handles over the years. Now for the tins, I find them a storage nuisance and wish Buck would do something smaller. Just can't get rid of the original packaging... it's a curse. Admittedy it is definately a value loss to my collection,they depreciated before I left the WalMart parking lot and who's going to buy 'Chinese' knives from my estate.... :D /Roger
 
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I didn't see it so I wasn't thinking about it.

Just CAN'T believe it could be true based on all prior information on the Buck/Remingtons.
 
Mr. Hubbard will eventually clear this up for us. 300
Not sure what there is to clear up. I dont think one gift tin at cabelas sets the stage for the rest of the collaboration to be made in China. CJ himself says the knives will be made in Post Falls ID. I would imagine 2018 we will see those products.
 
Are you thinking the BUCK logo on the ad is a catalog error?

I called Cabela's and the operator had the ability "Check Vendor" in their database and the vendor came up as Buck.

So.......what I can't believe is quite true.

I still can't believe it, but it's just another minor disappointment.
 
Funny, I'm just the opposite, I have a significant sub collection of the ChinaBuck slip joints, probably the only person on this forum who does collect them. I have every model & handle variation I know of, just the 389 Canoes alone figures about 25 different handles over the years. Now for the tins, I find them a storage nuisance and wish Buck would do something smaller. Just can't get rid of the original packaging... it's a curse. Admittedy it is definately a value loss to my collection,they depreciated before I left the WalMart parking lot and who's going to buy 'Chinese' knives from my estate.... :D /Roger

Oops, sorry about that. I owe an apology. We all collect something and having one in every shape or color or style of anything is pretty darn cool! :thumbsup:

I am running out of room here too. You guys have me saving knife boxes now when I used to throw them out. I can collapse they new style boxes, but not the tins!
 
Not sure what there is to clear up. I dont think one gift tin at cabelas sets the stage for the rest of the collaboration to be made in China. CJ himself says the knives will be made in Post Falls ID. I would imagine 2018 we will see those products.

That's the thing that really threw me.

I'd expect if CJ says "the knives" will be made in Post Falls.......he would naturally mean all of the Remington knives.

Guess not.
 
The new Buck / Remington collaboration knives that come out in the future will be top notch. I know they will be.

Buck should not be confusing everyone like this... See what happens when you try to make a quick dollar on a Brand name.
 
All marketing bs! Bottom line Buck, Remington and just about any other company will do whatever it takes to make more money. I am seriously disappointed in the way of Buck's future into the china rabbit hole and their lame justification for it. There are now quiet a few USA made knives on the market that easily competes with Buck. Just ck out the new SMKW catalog. I actually didn't realize the number of American made knives I could buy. Actually purchased my first non buck knife in 20 plus years an American made Kershaw.
 
I care if tins are made in China, think I will give them as gifts or collect them. What a lame statement.
 
Just a thought but has Cabelas offered other Remington gift sets made overseas? If so they are doing the same thing they've done before only they are Buck made Remington gift sets and Buck is making a little money instead of someone else. The sky isn't falling that I see.
 
All marketing bs! Bottom line Buck, Remington and just about any other company will do whatever it takes to make more money. I am seriously disappointed in the way of Buck's future into the china rabbit hole and their lame justification for it. There are now quiet a few USA made knives on the market that easily competes with Buck. Just ck out the new SMKW catalog. I actually didn't realize the number of American made knives I could buy. Actually purchased my first non buck knife in 20 plus years an American made Kershaw.
Bud, They are moving away from China.
 
POST FALLS—Bucking a familiar trend in the manufacturing sector, knife maker Buck Knives Inc. says it has been bringing back to its plant here some of the production that it had been contracting out to Chinese manufacturers in recent years.

The shift, made possible partly by plant efficiencies it has made here and triggered by a desire by both its owners and many of its customers for its knives to be U.S.-made, has been under way for months, says C. J. Buck, its president and CEO.

"The good news is manufacturing is absolutely viable in the United States," says Buck. "We're a good example of that."

As recently as three or four years ago, Buck Knives was importing from Chinese contract manufacturers about 50 percent of its knives, he says, adding that today, that percentage is 30 percent to 35 percent. The company's knives are sold all over the world.

Buck Knives plans to increase domestic production by 20 percent this year, and recently hired 10 people to work on its manufacturing floor in Post Falls.

Buck Knives moved to Post Falls in 2005 from El Cajon, Calif., near San Diego. Its 120,000-square-foot Post Falls plant is located at 660 S. Lochsa St., and currently employs 220 people, Buck says. He declines to say what its annual sales have been, not wanting competitors to have the information.

He says one of the reasons Buck Knives had to outsource so much of its production stemmed from the company's relocation from Southern California, which he describes as a massive undertaking that used the majority of its internal resources for almost two years. As part of the transition strategy, the company began to outsource to China manufacturing of its newest products because its engineering staff was so busy training new factory workers in Post Falls, Buck says.

"It's all based around the relocation," he says. "That's what prompted a surge in imports, and now that we're stable in our new factory, it's coming back to our more normal model."


Still, he says, some manufacturing will continue in China, because the price point on some of the knives the company offers doesn't allow it to make them here.

"Only China, right now, is still able to land (at the shipping dock) a product for 20 percent, sometimes 30 percent, less than we can build it," he says. "Oftentimes, China can land a product for less than our cost of our materials."

Because the knives the company imports from China are lower-priced models, only about 25 percent of Buck Knives' overall knife sales, in dollar volume, are of products imported from China, compared with about 40 percent just two to three years ago, Buck says.

Although the majority of the company's sales during the transition period continued to be from U.S.-made products, the importing of knives didn't sit well with the Buck-family tradition, nor did it go over well with some longtime customers.

"We have fielded many complaints about our decision to import products, even though we were clearly focused on offering the same high quality," says Buck. The company backs its imported products with the same lifetime warranty it offers on knives it makes here.

"It has become apparent that Buck Knives is held to a different standard" than other U.S. manufacturers, he says.

Buck Knives has long-term manufacturing partnerships with about seven Chinese companies that specialize in making different types of knives, Buck says.

Buck Knives began to look at implementing lean manufacturing principles even before it moved to Post Falls from Southern California. The company made that decision in late 2001, after it was stung by a big drop in sales following the terrorist attacks of September that year, Buck says.

Remaining a manufacturer

The company, like other cutlery businesses, brings in about 50 percent of its business in the last four months of each year, he says.

The company had to make a choice, he says. Either it could become just a marketing company that sold knives made in other countries, or it could change its manufacturing approach and continue to make knives itself.

To remain a manufacturing company, Buck says, the company needed to reduce its costs, and one significant way to do that was to get out of California, where high energy and labor costs were cutting into its margin. He adds that the political and government atmosphere in California wasn't business-friendly enough, either.

Idaho, the owners expected, would be different, and it was, he says.

"What I really like about Idaho is they keep it simple," Buck says. "They take care of businesses. The businesses are the horses pulling your wagon. Don't hobble the horses pulling your wagon. That's stupid. Help them pull your wagon even better."

At its new plant in Post Falls, Buck Knives continued with its vision for lean manufacturing. It first implemented lean manufacturing in California, and was able to reduce greatly the amount of manufacturing space needed.

"We have made a ton of changes," Buck says. "Now we are letting them be realized."

In the past, the company had made knives in large batches, using a traditional assembly-line process, and it took four to six weeks for the knives to completely travel the line. Now, it makes knives one at a time, in circular manufacturing cells that take up a fraction of the space the old assembly line did in California before the company began to adopt lean manufacturing. In fact, Buck Knives' Post Falls plant has 30 percent less manufacturing space than the one it operated in El Cajon, Buck says.

That change reduced the amount of time it takes to produce a knife, and also enabled Buck Knives to shift production from one product to another far more easily, says Phil Duckett, the company's chief operating officer.

"When the need arises, we can quickly switch our manufacturing cells from making one model to another," Duckett says. "Our ability to respond to customers' orders for products we do not have in inventory has resulted in consistently high marks for shipping our customers' orders on time and complete. You can see the great advantage it gives us over competition (that's) still processing products the way we used to do it."

He adds, "You strive for velocity. You need to convert the raw materials into a salable product as quickly and as efficiently as possible."

Says Buck, "Lean means fast, flexible, and responsive to our dealers."

He says the lean manufacturing efforts ultimately have made it possible for the company to make more knives here rather than having them made by Chinese contract manufacturers.

The changes, Buck says, have made for happy customers, too. He says he's had dealers tell him lately that Buck Knives "is the smoothest vendor to deal with."

Dealers have to maintain less inventory, because Buck Knives can resupply them faster, he says.

"We're responsive, we ship fast, and we ship complete," Buck says. "If I can be more responsive to customers, customers are going to start pushing more business my way, and away from the people that they have to work harder on. The key is to ship complete and on time."

Buck asserts that customers now will push business his way, even if they might pay a little more, because they like the company's flexibility and responsiveness. "Customers don't want to take a risk and get stuck with too much inventory or have back orders," he says.

Although the lean manufacturing efforts have been successful, Buck Knives still must do business in an economy that is weakened by recession and lower consumer spending.

The fourth quarter of last year was incredibly difficult, with sales down from the previous year by about 25 percent to 30 percent, Buck says.

He says the company is planning for a "similarly compressed" sales year this year.

"We're planning on it being worse, even though we expect it to be better," Buck says.

The recent hires, for instance, were added after a stronger than expected first quarter, he says
 

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Did anyone else notice the Rockwell numbers were extremely low at 52 to 55 ..Is that the lowest number ever for Buck steel? Most models are 58 to 61..
 
Did anyone else notice the Rockwell numbers were extremely low at 52 to 55 ..Is that the lowest number ever for Buck steel? Most models are 58 to 61..
Probably the best they can do that J2 crap at.

How about that pen looking spey blade on the peanut?:rolleyes:
 
Did anyone else notice the Rockwell numbers were extremely low at 52 to 55 ..Is that the lowest number ever for Buck steel? Most models are 58 to 61..
cause its 420j2 steel. hardest it can get is right around 55hrc.
 
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