My Kindergartner was unfairly suspended for a butter knife in California?

My post was about the deterioration of society which is directly related to the reasoning schools and their employees apply to ridiculous "zero tolerance" rules. It was neither political or inflammatory....., it was TRUTH.
 
Marcus, I wish you and your family the best. I firmly support your position, and I agree with your assessment of the situation regarding the school. May GOD bless you for having the courage to stand up for what is right. BTW, if anyone would like to read my original post..., it can be found in W&C under the DA 's thread. LOL.
 
John_0917 said:
This is probably the worst moderated forum I have ever encountered....the OP is lying, it is plainly obvious to anyone with an objective brain.
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Man, you just don't know when to quit the trolling, do you? Bet you don't make it three months here.

I'm glad my kids are done with school, but, flatgrinder, just wait several years until your kid tells you some of the crap pulled at universities. Much of it is unbelievable. Still true. Just unbelievable.
 
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1SHOT1KILL said:
What convoluted delusional route brought you to that conclusion?
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The one parallel to the route that led to principals being required to act like homeland security in kindergartens matey- and going by your tag I reckon you'd have to be aware of that.
So who do you think should have read the schools rules and policies on weapons before neglectfully(accidentally,unfortunately ) letting their son go to kindy with a knife? (doesn't matter what knife the principal has a procedure to adhere to for the overall safety of the other children). Her job could be on the line if another pissed off parent or another child for that matter saw it and brought it to the attention of the authorities.
HEY I'm not suggesting he asks her out on a date- just a simple gesture of support and compassion for a bad situation. Could it hurt ? or should he go steaming down to the lawyers for a downward spiralling blame game?
No the kid should not have been suspended,
No he shouldn't have had a knife at school,
No he should not have been grilled by adults he probably doesn't know
Yes she should should have called his parents immediately.

I don't make the rules.
 
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numbersman said:
I suggest that public pressure be used as a tool in this dispute. That will be one thing the principal will fear, as the left wing educational bureaucrats can't control it. Do up some flyers, stand outside the school gate as parents are dropping their kids off, and hand them out. Ask parents if they have any similar incidents with their kids. Emphasise that you are worried about your child's mental health, since they were being bullied by a group of adults, with no child advocate (like yourself) present. Ask if anyone has had similar incidents of their child being bullied by the school, and say that you are worried about the principal's competence and mental stability, if she is over-reacting like this. Maybe put in a picture of the butter knife. Ask for similar stories, or anything else about the way the school is run that concerns parents. We could probably draft a pretty good flyer right here, in this forum. Use the court of public opinion to your advantage.
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Anyone ever heard of P&C association or PTA I think you call it. you have a voice in the school community that doesn't rely on fear for leverage..
 
Kohai999 said:
You can, and should file civil suit....including pain and suffering, and the cost of putting your kids into private school.
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Yea I would file suits, I would sue, I would make a big fuss over that. Thats the kind of BS that America is all about right now. Bunch of pussies, everyone is a scared little girl.
 
Thank you for all the support.

After a lot of thinking, I'd like to achieve two things from all of this:

1. My kid's record is corrected fairly

2. The school needs a specific age-related set of procedures for future incidents. I really don't think it was in the best interest of my son to put him at the end of a meeting table and have him harassed with questions for almost an hour, alone. Once presumed guilty, he should have had a chance to explain his side of things, and sometimes with an aggressive adult, elementary school kids need their parents or their teacher with them. She told me that "he doesn't like ice cream or pizza, what kind of child doesn't like ice cream or pizza -there's something wrong with him!" I told her "A kid who's in trouble ... who wants to eat when they've been psychologically punished and harassed for an hour?"

I also do not condone the use of untrue accusations that she made to intimidate us. If she stuck to the truth and treated my son fairly, I wouldn't have any problem with a suspension on his record -as long as it was the truth.
 
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I couldn't make it past the second paragraph before I started thinking lawyer but remember you do live on the left coast in the communist republic of California.
 
File a suit against the school and the principal. I would also call a parent teacher meeting and explain what happened and organize a group AGAINST abusive and wrongful "care".

I'd even go as far as making posters to post up and raise awareness. Continuing to pressure this "authority figure".

Personally I would have grabbed my son and thrown the stupid butter knife on the ground, read her the riot act and called the police on her myself. EFF that. I have two sons and would not allow this to go down quietly or end easily.

If you have other schools in the area consider moving your kid before he gets older and makes too many more friends.

AND take your boy out and throw him a party for being a big man and dealing with the silly adults :)

Hope all works for you and no one answer is correct... gl
 
It is beyond my belief that this "principal" and two "Shrinks" question your young boy and would not let you be present, by threatening you.

My wife teaches Kindergarden here in California and she said that is WRONG! Your boy is a minor and has the right to have a parent or guardian present. Contact the ACLU and and take this to a lawsuit.

My wife became a teacher to teach young children the tools they will need and right from wrong! There are many in the system that she has to deal with that signed up for summers off, decent pay, medical and at the bottom of their list, those kids. They are referred to as Ladder Climbers. Many are completely incompetent so the current system promotes them!

Take this to the media and the other parents. There was far more harm done by these "educators" than by your son bringing a butter knife to school by accident.

We wish your family the best and if we can help you in any way we will!
 
meako said:
The one parallel to the route that led to principals being required to act like homeland security in kindergartens matey- and going by your tag I reckon you'd have to be aware of that.
So who do you think should have read the schools rules and policies on weapons before neglectfully(accidentally,unfortunately ) letting their son go to kindy with a knife? (doesn't matter what knife the principal has a procedure to adhere to for the overall safety of the other children). Her job could be on the line if another pissed off parent or another child for that matter saw it and brought it to the attention of the authorities.
HEY I'm not suggesting he asks her out on a date- just a simple gesture of support and compassion for a bad situation. Could it hurt ? or should he go steaming down to the lawyers for a downward spiralling blame game?
No the kid should not have been suspended,
No he shouldn't have had a knife at school,
No he should not have been grilled by adults he probably doesn't know
Yes she should should have called his parents immediately.

I don't make the rules.
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It is not at all clear that it was a "kife" under the legal standard in question.

The safety of the other children was not at risk.

In any event, punishing a child under the stated circumstances is irrational.

Any lawyer who would read this thread and then opine that the OP is lying is himself in need of help of the sort most bar associations offer to the challenged. Very sad and embarassing behavior, Esq. I will not be seeing your response, if any.
 
Yeah this world we live is getting stranger, annually. The government spying on our lives, probably this very thread ! Department of Education are raising our children for us,and it seems that even know we still vote,we dont have a say in anything. Your story is very troubling, but not unique. Ive heard stories of toy knives and even children playing and making pretend guns with there hands and getting suspended or expelled for the most innocent gestures. Its sad hearing all the stories my mom use to tell me about the old days when our parents were kids. I can even look back into my childhood in 80's - 90's and have seen the most severe of changes.

We must all prepare our children and grandchildren for the strange way of life in the future :-(
 
Rhinoknives1 said:
It is beyond my belief that this "principal" and two "Shrinks" question your young boy and would not let you be present, by threatening you.
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Federal funding. If they don't blow these situation out of proportion in their dealings with them, they lose that government money.
 
I know that this is a little off topic, but I think everyone might get a kick out of it!

When I was in elementary school, maybe twice a year they had a thing where you got points for good grades and you could buy things with the points that you had earned with your hard work. This would never fly in today's society, but I did great in school and when they had their little yard sale thing, I racked up! One of the things that I purchased was a deck of cards. I actually walked into the Principals office with the other kids in my class who had earned enough points to participate and picked them out along with a couple other things. We all then returned to class.

I was in fifth grade, and when the music teacher came in, I got busted fiddling with the deck of cards. They wrote me up and scheduled a parent teacher conference with my parents. Dad whipped me 'til I could not sit down. He had to miss work to go to the school. Nobody wanted to listen to me long enough to realize that, I got the cards at school, I did not take them there.

When we all were all finally sitting in front of the Principal, in his office, recounting the whole tale, I saw the light come on in dad's head. He grabbed me by the shoulders and asked me to my face, " Are you telling me that the school gave you the cards that you got in trouble for having and that is why I am here?" "Yes Daddy" was all I could muster at this point!

Long story short, my mother and I were told by Daddy to exit the principals office right now. Dad stayed in there for quite a while. Judging from the noises and yelling that came from that room I think that if the priincipal had been a fifth grader he would not have been able to sit down for at least a month!
 
I would sue. Surely you will be able to find a civil attorney to take that suit. The award might not be able to get a large sum, but he/she can ask for attorneys fees (paying your attorney for his work suing them will really burn).
 
Sorry for what you and your family went through! A good civil attorney can take your case and punish the principal and the school system for retaining them. I am afraid I would use this to punish this person for their disrespect of you, your wife and child.

Do not "Just walk away" Be firm and aggressive. You will win this one!
 
This is total (Sorry for saying this but i feel it's appropriate to express my feelings toward this situation) BULLSH*T how stupid can people be? The child made a mistake and he didn't know what to do and he did not want to take it to school but his mom drove off unknowingly. He put in his pocket because he wanted to be like his dad which is understandable (that's what I wanted to be like when I was little just like my dad) Now when your son thanks to the Assholes at the school and district when he goes to apply for college or a job unless the lawyer can get this straightened out then there not gonna want to hire or accept him because of this. I'm sorry but this Pisses me off hopefully my generation (I'm 13) we'll learn from these people with no common sense. I wish you your son and your family good luck.
 
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