my (limited)Talonite experience

dogboye

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Allllllllll righty-then!!!
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I finally had a chance to actually use my Talon for something more than cutting limes this weekend, and I have to say that now, so far, I'm a convert!!!!! Now, my testing wasn't nearly so scientific as Cliff's, and I'm sure that any real scientist can shoot it chock full o' holes, but I don't care. I'm convinced now that Talonite holds and edge much better than I would have though, especially based on the Rc for the blade material. Here are the details:

I took one corrugated cardboard box. Rather larger, and in good condition. I dismantled the box such that I had the front and back surfaces alone, and such that the corrugations ran lengthwise along the surface (in other words, all cuts made across the corrugations). Measure across the corrugations, the surface was right at 16 inches (40 cm). I compared a 440V Spyderco Military, an M2 Nimravus Cub, and a Talonite Talon. All three knives were razor sharp at the beginning of the test; literally "hair flinging" (all three would shave a clean swath with almost no pressure other than the weight of the blade). The Military and Cub had both been sharpened by me, but the Talon still had its factory edge (well, at least it hadn't been resharpened). It had been used numerous times through the previous week to open things like plastic packages of junk food, and cut a few limes. But, it was still flinging hair, all along its blade length. The Cub's edge had been thinned a quite a bit from the thick, BM factory edge. On the Military, I had maintained the edge angle of the factory as best as I could, but inevitably there had to be some deviation, as its resharpening (about 6 times so far) has been done on Spyderco 203. The last 2 sharpenings, however, had been done on the white stones. The results of the Military are somewhat inaccurate, as I used it cutting the ends off the box, and down along the sides. However, the cuts I report for it include these cuts, in units of 16 inches.

My cutting method was to make one cut with the Mil, then make a cut with the Cub, then make a cut with the Talon, cycling through all three knives. After the 4th cut for each, I tested the edges by shaving my arm. I tested each edge at a minimum of 3 places along its length. All were still shaving. From that cut onward, I tested the edges in this manner after each cut. The results somewhat surprised me, as I was thinking that the Talon would stop shaving after only a few cuts, probably about the same as my Military. That was not the case.

After only 13 cuts, the 440V had lost its "hair flingability" completely, although it would still shave. The edge of the Talon and Cub were not noticeably affected; still flinging hair. At 22 cuts, the 440V would no longer shave at all, even with substantial pressure against my arm. I dropped it out of the line-up. The M2 and Talonite were still very much razor sharp. I was beginning to see that I wasn't going to have enough good test cardboard.

At 26 cuts, I ran out of usable cardboard (before I ran out of arm hair, even, but just barely). Both the M2 and Talonite were still shaving sharp, all along their edges. I mean, lay the edge against my arm, execute a push cut with little pressure, and the hair was gone. While they were no longer hair flinging, I could not discern a difference in shaving ability after that number of cuts. Best I can figure it, I cut 352 inches (894 cm) of cardboard with the 440V, 416 inches (1,057 cm) with the M2 and Talonite. The 440V was shot as far as shaving. The next morning, after not having shaved my face for a couple of days, my electric shaver was having a hard time trimming the beard around my ears/sideburns. So, I whipped out the Talon and used it for the trim-work, with no problems at all. So it's definitely still shaving.
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So, there is what I got with my test. Like I said, I'm a convert. The only thing I haven't tested yet is how it does when it comes to resharpening.
The Talonite may well have gone dull before the M2 if I had had more cardboard; but within the scope of my test, I couldn't tell you that. I can tell you that the M2 would rust before the Talonite, though.

So, after hemming and hawing and putting it off, and whining and crying, and pulling (what's left of ) my hair for months, I plunked down the cash for a Talonite blade, and I do NOT regret it. The Talon is one NICE blade.

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iktomi

[This message has been edited by rockspyder (edited 08-07-2000).]
 
Rockspyder--

Thanks for the review. That's the third report I've heard of Talonite holding an edge longer than CPM 440V specifically. Very interesting. I'd like to hear more, if you continue with your testing.

I've heard reports of 440V in factory knives not being brought up beyond about 56-57 RC hardness. Does anyone know how hard Spyderco's 440V tests out?

--Will

[This message has been edited by WILL YORK (edited 08-07-2000).]
 
Will, you might want to do a search in the Spyderco forum, but I believe they are now at about 56-57. Originally they were harder, but it was decided to bring them down abit.

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Dennis Bible
 
RockSpyder,

Welcome to the club of Talonite users! Your experiences mirror mine and I feel confident that had you access to more cardboard you'd understand why the shipping clerk Butch Winter had wring out a Talonite blade was so impressed.

Again the stuff is no panacea but what it does, it does very well.

All the best!


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Certified Talonite(r) enthusiast!
 
See Rockspyder, I knew you would like them both!
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Nice work on the review and I am glad to hear the results have been much the same as I have experienced. My benchmark for sharpness was similar to yours in that I was checking to see when the shaving stopped. For me the M2 is still the shaving champ of my knives, but the Talon is close and since I hate rust and blade coatings - Talonite does indeed rule. I did finally get some rust on my stripped Nimravus, I take it from your post you did too?
David

[This message has been edited by Snoopy (edited 08-07-2000).]
 
Snoopy, um, yeah, regarding the rust, or corrosion. It held out for the longest time taking no corrosion at all, not even a patina. Then, suddenly, about oh, 2 weeks ago, BAM! it had a patina. Although, I think it was actually an extended session cutting up tomatoes that did it. I kinda like it, but it does indicate the limitations of the M2.

Bob, I would tend to believe you're right about the Talonite.

Dennis/Will, after my staple incident with my BFC Native, I sent it back to Spyderco, at Sal's request. They Rc'd it (I can see the indentation), and it came out at 55.5 Rc. Vince, IIRC, said that that was right on. IMO, that is a matter of opinion, and I would wish for harder. I'm convinced that Spydie 440V is too soft, at least for me.

As I get more time on the Talonite, I'll keep putting in my opinion. I'm tempted to do a similar comparison to my Rinaldi Prototype/Enigma, but in the past, that D2 has seemed to exhibit similar edge-holding to the M2.

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iktomi
 
Thank you! People, this is what I would call a good review. No pretentiousness about sceintific standards which aren't actually met, yet, look at that, it actually contains useful information.
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I especially like the inclusion of metric units, just as a nice touch to add some inclusiveness. Again, thank you, rockspyder!

--JB

P.S., just a word of warning: never try the face-shaving test with a Benchmade factory edge
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[This message has been edited by e_utopia (edited 08-08-2000).]
 
Nice job on the review Iktomi, give us updates as they become available. Your review makes a lot of sense, good clear writing for us guys that dont undestand all the tech talk!!!! And glad you like the Talon.

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www.simonichknives.com
 
RS glad to see your report on Talonite. Talonite has gotten so much writen about it some of us have no idea what it can do anymore. Some say it is the best since beer in a bottle, and others say it don't hold up at all. I think it is the only thing I have ever seen hyped in good and bad extremes. I have the chance to try a Talonite blade comming soon, any day now I believe. Please keep us informed about your Talonite blade.
 
RockSpyder,
That's VERY similar to the test I did with VERY similar results. I added in a CPM440 Kershaw folder and one of my D2 knives that is "glass" hard in addition to one of normal temper and Rc. It took about 3 hours total and I had to take several breaks including on to get more cardboard from the Liquor store!!
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On the six knives, I tried to keep the cutting EXACTLY even.
Neil

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Neil, it would be interesting to see how the "glass hard" D2 held up. Not so much in comparison to the Talonite, but just for curiosity's sake. I bet it was pretty good!

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iktomi
 
Somebody take a Talon and cut in a circle around the bottom of a plastic soda bottle and let us know how it holds up.
 
Steve,
The soda bottle test is the first thing I did with a proto-TALON. Result, alot of soda bottles with no bottoms
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We tried 16 oz, 20 oz, and 1 liter bottles,...same result. Only damage was to the soda bottles.

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Stay Sharp!
Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery www.camillusknives.com

[This message has been edited by Will Fennell (edited 08-08-2000).]
 
I don't use soda bottles, only glass beer bottles. Uh, don't want to try cutting that with the Talon. Or my Cub, for that matter. Maybe Neil's "glass hard" D2.
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Seriously, though, I just don't have any around. And, I didn't think about it.

For those of you who actually got something useful from this test summary, and enjoyed and/or complimented it, thank you.

Rob, hope the fires are still stayin' away from you.

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iktomi
 
Rock, wre are on evacuation alert, which could mean nothing. The fire ran 4 miles in 3 hours yesterday, right towards us. Might not hear anything from me for a while! Send us rain!!!!



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Take care Rob,
Our thoughts are with you!

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Stay Sharp!
Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery
www.camillusknives.com
 
Yeah, Rob, like I said before; our thoughts and our prayers are with you.

Tom, "straight-razor." Yep, heh, heh, heh...
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iktomi
 
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