my mom is insane

I would recommend trying to engage in a few open discussions about what you want to do with a knife. This seems like a classic case of the tool vs. weapon debate, and you need to emphasize the utility of a knife as a tool. Your mom sounds like she is (genuinely) concerned about what you will do with a knife, and the fact that your initial posting about this moves from pointing out the uses of a SAK to pondering what kind of blade you should carry for self defense (stabbing, not slashing) makes me think that might need to think this through a bit more.

FWIW,

- Mike
 
don't worry, i have been in that same situation too (long ago). What i have learned is that knives should stay in your pocket untill needed. As an advise what to buy as your first knife i would recommend a Spyderco Endura 4, or the Wallmart Native.
I don't think keeping it hidden from your mom is a good idea. It's not practical and it causes a lot of unnecessary stress ( you will have to deal with a wife later).

I would talk to your mother why she took away all your sharp objects. She was probably spooked by something to change her atitude so drastically. If you can find out why she got scared you can try to compromise.

Talk to your mom and if she doens't want you to carry the knife outside try to find a compromise to have it with you under her supervision. If she can actually see that you are responsible with it she will learn that having a knife is just like having a screwdriver, it's just a tool.

Also try to find out what the knife laws are in your state. When you can explain her the legal aspect of the knife it will make her more at ease
 
I've got an idea that may be a bit unconventional.

Have your Mom log on here and let her discuss it with us. I think a mature discussion with some long term knife people may help. I've raised three children, and each one of them on thier 10th birthday received a pocket knife. They had for quite some time prior to that, gotten practice using a knife under my very close supervision. All are now in adulthood with all didgits still there.
 
I thought most of you all were old folk and I would be one of the younger ones at 22. I would steer away of buying a knife for self-defense purposes. A Spyderco Delica would be an ok compromise though.


This thread is hilarious!
 
Thanks for the advice everyone. I don't have time to write a longer post like I should right now, but I'll get back to this thread later. I just want to clear up some things.

First of all, I'm a girl. I'm 17. Someone said that I must not be mentioning something, well the only thing I can think of that I haven't told this board about the situation is that my mom said something about me and my sister fighting. I asked my mom if she thought I was going to stab my sister, or shoot her with a bow and arrow, and she said no. But she said she wanted to create a safe enviroment, and that she didn't want a weapon culture in her house. I got her to agree that I would get my stuff back eventually, and she promised not to throw anything away, so at least that's something. I used to get into physical fights with my sister when I was younger, but they wern't real fights, she would throw a tissue box or something at me, and I'd throw something back. Nobody ever got seriously injured, and violence never went on for more than a few seconds. It was bad, but I get along with my sister most of the time, and I haven't fought with her at all for months. My mom also said something about me cutting myself, which I've never done, but she said that 2 years ago. She gets weird ideas in her head sometimes. Around that same time two years ago she was also convinced that I was going to run away to england and never return, even though I never expressed any intrest in running away. I went on a trip to england and I liked it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to leave.
 
Also, I found three knives around the house that I didn't know where there, they must have belonged to dead relatives. They're rustly and mostly useless. I'm still thinking about weather I should turn them in or just keep them hidden. I don't think she's going to trust me any less if she finds out I have them, she doesn't trust me at all now even though I've given her no reason to distrust me. My dad still trusts me, so does my sister. I wish I knew why my mom is so upset.
 
Explain how you're going to use the knife as a tool and not as a weapon. Also, explain that you understand how knives can be abused and that you will be responsible.

Also, the level of fighting you're talking about is probably normal, heck between my brother and I that would be a minor skirmish. Above all you need to show you mom that you're responsible and that you'll take good care of a knife. Not sure how being a girl changes anything but personally I think more girls should carry knives.:thumbup:
 
Exactly. A knife is a tool, not a weapon. It can be a weapon, but so can a hammer, and no one calls a hammer a weapon--it is a tool.

I would never use a knife as a weaponl unless it was a last resort. I would always run first, try to get into a store or restaurant where there's people, and call 911--not becuase I am a chicken but that is honestly the safest thing to do....if your life is in danger that is. If your life is not in danger and you use a knife, you can also get into a lot of trouble....you just have to use wisdom.....

I would try to find a Benchmade mini-griptilian in a bright color like blue, purple, or green....not so scary to the mom but just as sharp....

http://www.gpknives.com/specials.html?osCsid=6d98285b104abc08312abc819f331f2c

you can get one for about $50 shipped....
 
I'm lucky cause my parents have always supportive me with my knife addiction. Just give it some time to die down and then talk to her about it again. Don't sound like you need it, but that its very useful to have.

And on the fighting thing: My brother is 6 years older than me and we used to get in fights all the time. Once he threw me into a wall breaking:eek: . It was never anything to serious and we both were fine after it. We just had to get the anger out. lol
 
I suppose that your mother has a wonderful menu of what... SOUP and PUDDING!?! planned for the dinners from now on?

My advice: buy a couple of really nice steaks and bring them home and say, "Mom, look what I got us for dinner." Then, when you sit down for the meal, just as she's about to cut into that perfectly grilled steak say, "oh, of course we can't use any knives," as you deftly remove the knives from the table.
 
linzoy said:
First of all, I'm a girl. I'm 17.

Ahhh ... now it falls into place. You are lucky your dad isn't as twitchy as your mom. At your age, my daughter heard me threaten her boyfriend with death if he ever went near her again.

No matter how well-behaved and responsible you are, no matter how civilized your environment, biology warns parents at this point that daughters are constantly in danger. So we overreact. Don't overreact in return. Let it all slide for a while. She will calm down.

Do not invite your mother here to discuss knives with us. If she can think in terms of a weapon culture, she isn't likely to be receptive to our distinctions between knives as tools and knives as ... shh ...
 
Talk to your mother first. Clam her down. Mother is a mother. She will worry about you all her life. My son is your age. At one point my wife took all his knives, and all he had, was swiss army and old timer, which I bought him when he was 7. He is a good kid.
You can get BM mini griptilian, blue or yellow color, they looks safer. mini grip is nice tool. 440c steel is good and axis lock is fun. They are on sale now for $42.50 at http://www.soonerstateknives.com/benchmadeares.htm
Good luck
R
 
Before I read today's e-mail from linzoy my advice would have been to join Boy Scouts and learn how to use knives and a whole lot more.

After today's e-mail(s) from linzoy I don't think that would work.

Don't get a knife and try to hide it. Trust is very important, and once lost is very hard to re-earn.

I still have a feeling that there's more to your story. Most parents will not react in such an extreme manner to a 17 year old child saying that they want to carry a knife in a safe and legal manner.

My advice is to change your focus from telling your mother that you want a knife to something more like telling your mother that you want to learn about knife safety and how to care for and use a knife. This is much more positive and provides a means of showing your mother that you have skills and maturity to use a knife safely. Once you've proven you have these skills, then maybe she'll feel more comfortable with you carrying a knife. Consider carrying a little Victorinox Classic Swiss Army Knife. It is still handy and the size may be small enough to keep your mother from being upset. Here is a great one on-line:
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=VN53208

Though created for pre-teen boys in Cub Scouts, I would strongly suggest you work with your mother to learn the skills associated with earning the Cub Scout Whittling Chip card, which the boys need in order to be allowed to carry pocketknives at events:

1. Know the safety rules for handling a knife:
-A knife is a tool, not a toy.
-Know how to sharpen a knife. A sharp knife is a safer knife because it is less likely to slip and cut you.
-Keep the blade clean.
-Never carry an open knife in your hand. (remember, this is targeted at pocketknives)
-When you are not using your knife, close it and put it away.
-Keep your knife dry.
-When you are using the cutting blade, do not try to make big shavings or chips. Easy does it.
-Make a safety circle: Before you pick up your knife to use it, stretch your arm out and turn in a circle. If you can't touch anyone else, it is safe to use your knife.
-(I'm adding this one) Whenever cutting something, think about where the blade will go if the knife slips or you loose control of the blade.

2. Show that you know how to take care of and use a pocketknife.
-Learn how to sharpen a pocketknife. There are plenty of nice guides on the internet.
-Keep knives clean and dry. Occasionally wipe the blade with a very light coat of oil and lubricate moving parts with a drop or two of light oil.
-Routinely check locking mechanisms to make sure they engage correctly. In general it is best to handle a knife under the assumption that the lock will not hold.
-Do not store a knife in a leather sheath - leather absorbs moisture which can cause corrosion.
-Don't use a knife blade as a screwdriver, pry bar, can opener, lawn dart, wire cutter, or an axe.
-When handing a fixed blade knife to someone, offer them the handle while holding onto the blade with the edge away from your hand, and do not let go of the blade until the recipient says "thank you".

3. Make a carving with pocketknife.
Many boys start by carving a bar of Ivory soap using a good disposable plastic knife. If the plastic knife slips the serations give a good sense of being cut without damaging a finger. Then, when comfortable, switch to using a pocketknife. It makes a bit of a mess, so do this over newspapers or similar surface protection.

4. Demonstrate knowledge and skill in the use of a pocketknife.
-Close the blade with the palm of your hand.
-Never use a knife on something that will dull or break it.
-Be careful that you do not cut yourself or any person nearby.
-Never use a knife to strip the bark from a tree.
-Do not carve your initials into anything that does not belong to you.

5. Take the Pocketknife Pledge:
-I will treat my pocketknife with the respect due a useful tool.
-I will always close my pocketknife and put it away when not in use.
-I will not use my pocketknife when it might injure someone near me.
-I promise never to throw my pocketknife for any reason.
-I will use my pocketknife in a safe manner at all times.

If all of this doesn't work. Relax. Wait until you're living on your own and THEN carry a knife.
 
i know im not a frequent poster but id like to mention a few things.
-where are you located? what are the knife laws like there? it could just be that your mom, like alot of people are uninformed about the legalities of carrying a knife(for tool use) and is only looking out for you.
also there was a thread on here a while ago about "things said to you by a non knife nut" or something along those lines, it had a lot of great explainations people used on folks who made uninformed comments about our tools.
i know what its like, just keep at it, eventually shell come around ;)
 
I have a novel idea...respect your mothers wishes and concerns. You do live in her house. You are still under 18. Don't go looking for ways to HIDE a knife from her. That just makes you fall right into her concerns. When you get 18, go get whatever knife you want. Be responsible.
 
linzoy said:
First of all, I'm a girl. I'm 17.


:eek: Hey, howz it!? :D :thumbup:



I feel damn sorry for you, lots of advice have been given. Good luck. In the mean time stick around and read up as much as you can. You've got nothing to lose but time and hopefully in the future, money.:D
 
I have 3 daughters, they keep hauling my EDC Spyderco knives with them. I always have to ask them where they are. :D I don't mind them using or carrying knives with them. They also carry O.C. sprays, shoot and use bow and arrow so i guess i am not Daddy Normal.
My wife isn't upset by the fact that they do "boy" stuff all the time, she laughs and says they got it from me :confused:
I just think your mom is overcautious and is scared that you might pull out a knife when you are in a fight with your sister, or anybody else.
A good option is to buy a smaller bladed knife and an O.C. spray.
Most guys will run away if they get sprayed with O.C. spray.
Because O.C. spray is non lethal your mom will be more at ease when you carry that out of the house.
If you are really into knives as a cutting implement you can always consider a knife with a bright coloured handle. Spyderco and Benchmade have made bright coloured handle knives in the past.

How about a yellow handled Salt? It won't rust, is very sharp and looks non threathening?

http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=174
http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=170
http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=215

All parents have the same reflex, i always show boys who enter my house my gun collection. I guess if they dare to enter my house they must really like my daughters!:D
 
I doubt the salt would work for her. My mother was scared by the "serrations" on my one-handed trekker. And she isn't nearly as bad as linzoy's.

I don't think theres something else she's not telling us. My mom would quite possibly be like that without my Dad and uncle. It's taken a lot of talking between my mom, dad, and uncle to convince her, every single time I buy a knife.

My suggestion? Get your dad and a family friend to talk to your mom. It will take a lot of effort, but if you show that you are responsible, you should eventually get through to her. Start out by asking her for your swiss back, and carrying that around a while. It will show her that you can be responsible.
 
[digidude] said:
Quoted for emphasis. This is good advice.

From my own experience, wherein I "moved up" from a BSA Deluxe to a Vic SAK Adventurer lockback, sometimes learning good knife handling skills while your body is still growing can be difficult. Even with "good skills", I was sometimes clumsy and knicked myself, while closing the knife, sharpening it, cutting stuff, etc. It took getting a multi-utility lockback and years more practice before I got "good enough" to stop being clumsy, then I went back to a regular SAK for multi-utility (a Wenger SI) and a one-hander for quick utility (currently one of those $40 Spydie Natives from WM).

While I might agree to let your mom read here for advise, there are times where folks here can get wacky and talk like they're Rambo or a ninja or some other super-solo-survivalist/mallninja that can do anything and everything with their choice of SuperSteelDeathMurder4000MiniSword (and you're a short-sighted moron if you suggest that not everyone needs one), and that makes it hard to take any discussion seriously. :rolleyes:

Good luck in gettin your mom to see you as a rational sane being who likes knives for their usefulness, not primarily as an assault weapon!
Matt in Texas
 
Well, when I first joined (I think I was 14-15) 17 now, I tried to hide them, but ended up using them infront of everyone. Just go into the kitchen, ask to help out, ask for a knife, etc
If you need more personal assistance, well, shoot me an IM @ roofdweller00
 
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