My Negative dealings with Cailean F Kaemmer

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Well for those that don't know there is a guy named Collin F. Kaemmer (boardname Cailean) from Germany who who has sent many emails asking about a Busse HOGFSH, for pictures and many comparison photos. So it's not a big deal and I take many pictures and give him all the information he needed along with links about the knife specs and cost and when it was avil. Then I don't hear from him and when I go to follow up with him he says he is looking around and whatnot even though I tell him I have other people interested in that knife. Then on 4/7/10 paulblade posts in my post http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=717804&page=2 that he will take the knife at asking price of $630. Now Collin wants the knife and emails me non stop about how he had wanted the knife and whatnot and somehow convinced me not to sell it to paulblade and to sell it to him. I think for some reason he is serious and really wants this knife and I too have been in that position before so I agree. Then Collin then says I told him he would have it for $600 shipped to his sheath maker. I know I didn't ever agree to that but just wanted the whole thing over with. So I give in again and agree to do so. He doesn't even have anyone to make his sheath so I got with Eric from Mashedcat to make him one and Collin then orders one with many options, not a cheap knife at all, we talk the whole thing through. Meanwhile I had sent Collin payment option of what meathods of payment I would take and some of them didn't have any fees (international money orders, Money Gramm, Western Union, etc...) but he says he will pay with paypal the normal way. I send him an email with the total and the 5% for the fees I charge. Now this is stated on the top of every thread that I have anything posted for sale so it's not a huge big hidden secret. He decides to send me the funds of $600 without the fees. I tell him that is not enough and that if he chose to use paypal he would have to pay the fees and if he wanted to, I could refund his money and he could send it a different way. He said we would work it out....
So we I got Eric to agree to ship this knife and sheath to him after he made the sheath, I got the total from him and I was going to charge Collin myself and compensate Eric myself because I don't trust Collin and I felt this was my deal and didn't want Eric to have negative feedback on me should Collin not come through. Well, sent out the knife to Eric and I was right about Collin. He did not want to pay the amount and tried to bargain the price down. I just don't have the time or patience to deal with him and told him he could either pay the amount or not but I was not going to bargain with him in any way anymore. I told him if he didn't pay it that would be fine but I would not do another transaction with him ever again.
With him being overseas and as picky as he is, he is just a paypal claim waiting to happen. It's just not worth it. So I issued a full refund of his money and will just end up eating the cost of shipping my knife to Eric. I'm just happy that the sheath was not already made. He may be a nice guy but I think I'll stay clear of him. I thought I'd just put that out there for those of you thinking of ever dealing with him. If you choose to do so, good luck!
Dan
 
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Man, it takes all kinds huh?....
That's like the seller who refuses to insure a knife he sells, even after the buyer sends him the appropriate funds to do so, and when the buyer asks for a refund for the insurance money that wasn't spent, the seller refuses to refund the $$.
What are you gonna do about some people????:confused:
 
rayban said:
Man, it takes all kinds huh?....
That's like the seller who refuses to insure a knife he sells, even after the buyer sends him the appropriate funds to do so, and when the buyer asks for a refund for the insurance money that wasn't spent, the seller refuses to refund the $$.
What are you gonna do about some people????:confused:
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I was not happy with that transaction and I wanted to undo that entire transaction and was going to pay for all the shipping fees both ways of that one but the other party refused. So if you can convince the other party to do so, I'd be happy to do so. I have other buyers that would like that knife, so please try to help me get that knife back asap, thanks.
Dan
 
rayban said:
Man, it takes all kinds huh?....
That's like the seller who refuses to insure a knife he sells, even after the buyer sends him the appropriate funds to do so, and when the buyer asks for a refund for the insurance money that wasn't spent, the seller refuses to refund the $$.
What are you gonna do about some people????:confused:
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+1 on this remark
 
Liu Kang said:
I send him an email with the total and the 5% for the fees I charge.
Dan
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Perhaps if you didn't charge such high fees... :grumpy:

To me this sounds like part of the trappings of being a dealer. Part of being a dealers is that people to drop by, look at stuff, talk up a deal, and then disappear.
 
UDDwaine said:
Perhaps if you didn't charge such high fees... :grumpy:

To me this sounds like part of the trappings of being a dealer. Part of being a dealers is that people to drop by, look at stuff, talk up a deal, and then disappear.
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You are right, my prices are too high, yours are low and that's why you have higher feedback then I do. And unfortunatly for you, I'm not going anywhere.

Why don't you contact any or all of the people that have left me positive feedback and ask them if I trapped them into doing a transaction with me. As for high fees, they have other options where there are no fees like USPS money order, and I am will even drive half an hour to cash a Western Union or Money Gramm and not charge a fee. People have options, they choose what they want to do. Everything is written on the top of each and every one of my threads so if you can't read, you probably shouldn't try to buy one of my knives.
 
5% for a Paypal transaction is extortion and you're lucky if you haven't run into a claim situation whereby Paypal is informed of that fact. They will freeze your entire account until they feel like reversing it.

That's a pretty funky deal, good thing you cut bait on it.
 
I was under the impression that you violate PayPal's user agreement when you charge fees.
 
Liu Kang said:
You are right, my prices are too high, yours are low and that's why you have higher feedback then I do.
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You're a DEALER!!!! You should have higher feedback than any individual on here.


Liu Kang said:
I hate paypal more the the next guy so do us both a favor and don't use it.
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Seems like you make an extra 1.5% on every sale using Paypal, so not sure why you hate it so much.
 
CarpScot said:
I was under the impression that you violate PayPal's user agreement when you charge fees.
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And yet many of us sellers charge a fee. So let's not dump on Liu Kang over that issue, again. :rolleyes:

If you don't like Liu Kang or the way he does business, simply ignore him or don't buy from him. It's just that simple.

Now, if you want to comment on the flaky buyer he just warned you about, and get back to the topic of this post, go right ahead.
 
CarpScot said:
I was under the impression that you violate PayPal's user agreement when you charge fees.
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True. Liu (sorry, I forget your real name), if someone decides to file a complaint on the issue, PP will lock your account and keep your money as long as they feel like.

As someone who uses PP for almost everything, I don't charge any kind of fee. A) It's against their rules. B) It's worth it to me to not have to deal with other methods.

As a merchant, you should look at PP the way you look at any other method of taking credit card payments. You will always be charged a fee, no matter if it's PP or a bank merchant account. If you don't want to pay the fees, don't accept it as a method or figure the cost into the price. Imagine going to a store and using your CC. Do you get charged extra by the store? No, but the store still has to cover the fee.
 
resinguy said:
And yet many of us sellers charge a fee. So let's not dump on Liu Kang over that issue, again. :rolleyes:

If you don't like Liu Kang or the way he does business, simply ignore him or don't buy from him. It's just that simple.

Now, if you want to comment on the flaky buyer he just warned you about, and get back to the topic of this post, go right ahead.
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The buyer sounds like someone to be avoided even before the PP fees are considered but that doesn't mean that the fees aren't a valid topic of discussion here.

One of the issues that Liu Kang is bringing up is that the buyer refuses to cover fees. PayPal explicitly states that fees are not to be covered by the buyer. Lui Kang knows this and it speaks to his character as a seller that he charges fees anyways.
 
CarpScot said:
The buyer sounds like someone to be avoided even before the PP fees are considered but that doesn't mean that the fees aren't a valid topic of discussion here.

One of the issues that Liu Kang is bringing up is that the buyer refuses to cover fees. PayPal explicitly states that fees are not to be covered by the buyer. Lui Kang knows this and it speaks to his character as a seller that he charges fees anyways.
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You're forgetting that it was Dan who started the thread about this buyer, so we must only comment on how bad the buyer is and speak nothing about Dan as a dealer.


Uh... wait a minute. :confused:
 
Kiah said:
True. Liu (sorry, I forget your real name), if someone decides to file a complaint on the issue, PP will lock your account and keep your money as long as they feel like.
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I did not know this. Guess I should have read the paypal fine print. I'm going to have to do some price restructuring myself. See some good came out of this thread already! :)
 
Check the forums, most everyone charges for paypal, I just straight out state it. Let's not kid ourself, Paypal knows we do it. Why should the seller get hit with the fees? If you don't like the conditions of the sellers sales, just don't bother buying. Is it really all that hard? I buy from memebers here all the time, I would rather send the personal tab then go down to the post office to get a money order. But lots of sellers just straight out hate and refuse to use paypal. So if you don't like the conditions, just move on, it's not a big deal.
 
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