My Randall is not for sale!

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terse

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Thanks for letting me know there's a market for used Randalls. This was my second post to this forum. I believe I logged in yesterday. I had no intentions of trying to sell a knife in the custom and handmade knife section but one would think that in the custom and handmade knives section one could talk about the market for a custom and handmade knife... maybe not.

That said.... I just won't post anything here any more. Goodbye.

You can close this thread now if you want especially if the content is not appropriate for the particular topic header.
 
If I'm not mistaken, in your original thread you mentioned you were thinking of selling it. Whenever you do that you are going to get people interested in buying the knife. There is nothing wrong with checking if there is a market for a knife, just leave out any reference to wanting to sell it.
 
No Ken, this was what I wrote regarding Randall knives:

"Are they still around? I've got a fighter and wondered if there is a market for it."


Asking about a market is not making an offer to sell any knife.

But while I respond to you Ken, I want to be sure I'm providing the correct content in the right section. Do you have a segment where potential subscribers or potential paying customers such as myself can complain about your policy which apparently includes coming down on people hard, and use of intimidating tactics to get one to open his wallet. In otherwords, why should I join your forum as a paying customer if this is your treatment of a prospect. What assurancance can you provide that you won't twist my statements, or make assumptions as you did here, just to hand out infractions after I've given you my money. So if there is a better place to have this discussion, please let me know and I'll start a thread there under the heading of: What Gives Ken? (Maybe you have to pay to complain too, not sure.)


I'd appreaciate due consideration, as a new free subscriber as I consider giving you any money. So sell me Ken on why I should join your forum especially now that you know I have no interest in selling any knife.

Terse
 
If I may throw my two bits in- "coming down hard on you" or "twisting your words" I didn't see anything like that in Ken's reply to you. As far as "providing you with assurances" and "sell me why I should post here"- bud this isn't a sales pitch, everyone can come and go as they please. As far as I see it, you already said "goodbye" so either sit back and read and learn for a while, or follow through with your farewell! :cool:
 
terse said:
No Ken, this was what I wrote regarding Randall knives:

"Are they still around? I've got a fighter and wondered if there is a market for it."
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Actually, that's what it said after it was edited by Ken to remove any reference to you wanting to sell the knife.

The rule is plain and simple. No selling unless you are a paying member, and even then, only in the appropriate forums.

No one came down hard on you. You were just given a warning to let you know that what you did is not allowed. Those are the rules that everyone has to follow.
 
The problem is people are constantly coming in here posting things like "I have a Brand X Model Y knife that I might consider selling if one of you were to offer me the right price" and if we allowed that we would get that kind of post by the hundred, from people who "aren't trying to spam" -- just trying to sneak in an ad.... Then there are people who aren't deliberately trying to sneak in an ad, they just didn't think about how a post like that could be interpreted.

Real spammers get kicked out, quick. The moderator who saw your post didn't kick you out; he didn't even give you an infraction; only a warning.

If you really want to see what knives like yours are going for currently you can search completed auctions at ebay.
 
You mentioned in your post you suggested that you might sell if there was a market. By posting that you had generated interest amongst the membership who may be in the market for a Randall. I edited your thread accordingly and it is noted in the remarks section of the post. What, you can't remember what you typed? Let me refresh your memory......

terse said:
Are they still around? I've got a fighter and wondered if there is a market for it. I might sell mine.
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My response was very clear and not in any way harsh........

Me said:
You cannot sell or make offers to sell on BFC without a paying membership.

Please upgrade if you wish to sell.
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I was very generous in only giving you a warning. If I wanted to be a condescending, harsh, evil person I would have banned you. But hey, you're a new member who simply didn't read the rules of the forum and I cut you some slack. If you want to be a baby about it and pout and cry and threaten us with leaving rather than read and follow the rules of the forum then...oh, well.....your lose, not ours.
 
So Ken you edited my copy from one column and pasted it another on the same accessible website by payers and non-payers alike. I hope we can get through this....

Kinda adds to the confusion in interpreting your rules.

By eliminating the copy that was subject to what ever it was you found not according to the rules would actually lead other viewers to believe my story. Leaving my words as written in the first post over there, would give more creditability to your story. But since you cut them out gave rise to more conversation about the matter. I guess you can agree that by editing and locking down the thread leaves matters hanging that we're now over here talking about it.

Thanks for reminding me what I wrote. Not seeing copy you cut out when I viewed my orginal post, I had totally forgotten about that line. But still my words as written, that include the copy you cut: "I might sell mine." if that was truely in the section that first began the thread, is not indicative of making an offer, but to learn if there was even a market. No veild attempt by me to sell a knife without paying the tarriff. (Your inference that I did not read your rules is also an assumption.) I presume there is a market for all knives. The question is: how good is the market. If low then I might not sell. If high, then I might consider selling. I could sell my knife to my neighbor or to someone on ebay. But in no way should my words be construed to mean that I made an offer to sell here on this forum even if my orginal words included: "I might sell mine."

Can I make a suggestion? If you lock a thread, then you might consider leaving copy there. This way people can plainly see why the thread might have been locked. By editing the copy out and then locking the thread really makes locking the thread subject. As I did. And it was copy I wrote although not all of it was showing. (As if I remember every line of copy I typed that was edited--that I took copy you edited to support my ascertion that I was not making any offer in this column.) What else did you edit that you'll bring out to support your reason for locking the thread? Or are all my words visable albiet in two places, and not in a place where it might have stayed.


But this is your forum...and you are the editor.

So Ken, could you please tell me where on your forum one might learn the market of a used Randall knife when you are not selling a Randall knife? The question is much like inquiring about a stock you own without any intention of selling it. Not sure right where the content should be placed in any free section as a non paying member.


Thanks Ken!

Also,

I'm undecided if I'll sign on as a paying member. All I know from this brief exchange is that being a non-paying member is pretty labor intensive. How is it as a paying member? (This question is directed to paying members who are following along with this conversation.) And how risky is it, that should you post something as a paying member, or say something that might not be according to the Rules you might not be dealt with as loosly as you've indicated you've dealt with me prior to any payment. So far I enjoy reading the forums but all this cut and paste and locking threads, where the same thread is posted to another area and where copy that should have been locked in a visible state was cut and locked, only to reappear in another column where the conversation continued... yikes!
 
Most members here have enough smarts to know that if you're a registered user you shouldn't be selling. They also have enough sense to let you know about it. Which they did.

Yes, now that I copied it here in S&S and the vast majority of member can read it! OH MY! WHATEVER SHALL WE DO?!!!! Those who read this little exchange will be smart enough to not entertain you and your knife that you "might" sell. Stop trying to justify your actions with a lot of mumbo-jumbo. You were warned. How about you get a feel for the forum and read around a bit before you go about making "suggestions" to me or any other mod on this forum? There is a lot going on here and we, as mods, call 'em like we see 'em and I saw you trying to pull a backdoor knife sale. You may not see it that way but I really don't care.

New member + faliure to follow rules + being a smart ass = You on the outside looking in.

That's the FAQ's, Jack. Everything you need to know in the thread to the left....your other left. Spark does not have the time to sit here and write very detailed and precise rules for those of you who "just don't get it". He relies on us mods to enforce the rules he has set and to use our best judgement when doing so. I feel I did exactly as I have been given the power to do. Before I became a mod here I was a paying member. I didn't just get thrown into this position, I earned it. Maybe, if you stick around long enough, learn from those who know, and not fight everyone every step of the way, you too can be a Mod!!!

PS - Not my forum. I just work here.
 
terse said:
Kinda adds to the confusion in interpreting your rules.



The question is: how good is Bladeforums.com ?


I'm undecided if I'll sign on as a paying member. All I know from this brief exchange is that being a non-paying member is pretty labor intensive. How is it as a paying member? (This question is directed to paying members who are following along with this conversation.) And how risky is it, that should you post something as a paying member, or say something that might not be according to the Rules you might not be dealt with as loosly
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The waters fine come on in.... :D

When I first joined Bladeforums.com, I did not read the rules.
And I was posting every were except were I was suppose to. :confused::eek:
But you know what?
You will not find a better place to see and talk knives, than Bladeforums.com
PERIOD!
So, sign up, and enjoy. :D
You done found out if you screw up, these guy's will help you out.
One way or the other. :D What more could you want????????

You wanted to know what a paying member thinks?
This place is GREAT.

Todd Davison
knife maker

Member for two years, and I love it!
 
Ken C. said:
Most members here have enough smarts to know that if you're a registered user you shouldn't be selling. They also have enough sense to let you know about it. Which they did.

Yes, now that I copied it here in S&S and the vast majority of member can read it! OH MY! WHATEVER SHALL WE DO?!!!! Those who read this little exchange will be smart enough to not entertain you and your knife that you "might" sell. Stop trying to justify your actions with a lot of mumbo-jumbo. You were warned. How about you get a feel for the forum and read around a bit before you go about making "suggestions" to me or any other mod on this forum? There is a lot going on here and we, as mods, call 'em like we see 'em and I saw you trying to pull a backdoor knife sale. You may not see it that way but I really don't care.

New member + faliure to follow rules + being a smart ass = You on the outside looking in.

That's the FAQ's, Jack. Everything you need to know in the thread to the left....your other left. Spark does not have the time to sit here and write very detailed and precise rules for those of you who "just don't get it". He relies on us mods to enforce the rules he has set and to use our best judgement when doing so. I feel I did exactly as I have been given the power to do. Before I became a mod here I was a paying member. I didn't just get thrown into this position, I earned it. Maybe, if you stick around long enough, learn from those who know, and not fight everyone every step of the way, you too can be a Mod!!!

PS - Not my forum. I just work here.
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You can really see how these things get out of hand. I'm sure there are many very good and experienced people, perhaps some of the best knife builders on this forum. I've enjoyed some of the content. I've already said I was not offering a knife for sale. Randall is selling knives for nearly the same price as I paid 10 years ago for a knife so I was merely wondering about the market. I waited 2 years to get my knife. I was not, and I am not interested in bickering about how you run your web forum. I am glad that you've earned the right to be the editor if that is a job that truly interests you. If I were an editor of a forum my approach might be a tad different that I'd wait till the actual infraction occured, not assume that it will occur or about to occur as you did in making an assumption that I was attempting to sell a knife. And here you are still claiming I was trying to circumvent your policy when I said that was not my intention, and boasting about earning your title and authority. I see a familar pattern with editors of forums. They tend to be so quick to make judgements.

Let's suppose me and another guy were having the same conversation in person. I don't think that anyone in the world would approve of some guy who overheard the conversation butting in and telling the two parties that they were not allowed to discuss what they were talking about,,, even before they even heard the end of the discussion. But some how on forums guys get on this power trip to shut conversations down. They most often leave it with getting in the last word too or saying something so outlandish it begs for a response but the forum leader knows they got them. I don't know why they feel the need end conversation people have and let the conversation take its course without making assumptions about how they feel the conversation will end up.... to learn if any rules get broke, which in my case no rules were violated. I still haven't violation any rules as far as I know.

For me, I asked a simple question, and still with all the chatter mist all the experienced people we're bogged down talking about a website policy baring specific content while my question goes unanswered:

So I'll start again if this is the correct place to do it. If not then maybe you could tell me where to post this question, You seem to be interested in ensuring that people do the right thing so if this is not the section to post the same question but in a differnt light using different words, then perhaps you could let me know where it should be posted. Please by all means feel free to copy the question and paste it to any free section where it will get the most exposure. Just make sure you let me know where to see any responses if any. Thanks!

Here goes:

I note Randall prices for knives are still around $300. This is about what I paid for a Randal knife 10 years ago. If this is the current pricing for a new Randall knife what is the used market? More? Less? If more how much more? Just wondering the market.
Disclaimer: my Randal knife is not for sale so don't ask me if it is for sale.




BTW what do you charge for a full subscription? A Legitimate questions in view of the question I just posed because if the used Randal knife market is tanked, and in consideration of your fee, it would not make much sense to join your forum just to post a for sale ad since it would have little effect. On the other hand if the market is twice what new Randal knifes are now then consideration will be given to joining your site to possibly advertise to sell a knife, eventhough that is not my intention currently.) I'm making no offer to sell. I think you could agree that it's OK to ask some questions before paying to advertise. Advertising is what your selling and I've not yet decided to pay for advertising since I don't have enough information. I guess you are also selling becoming an insider, but I'm not sure what that entails that is not on the free section. If you care to explain any additional benefits aside from free advertising, feel free to do so.


Terse
The outsider
 
I comes down to four little words..........."I might sell it." I already explained what those four little words mean on this forum for a registered user. No one was butting in to your "conversation". Your original question was still posed to the forum. I simply removed the reference of your possible intention to sell. I'm not going to sit here and discuss policy with you or hypothetical scenarios. What you do on your own time outside of this forum is none of my business. What you do in this forum is my business and any mod will "butt in" if need be.

So get over "poor little me" attitude and accept the fact that there are rules that need to be followed and ignorance of those rules is no excuse for breaking them.
 
Once again:
If you really want to see what knives like yours are going for currently you can search completed auctions at ebay.
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Click on "Upgrade your forums experience, and help support this site" at the top of the page for membership details.
 
terse;

One thing you'll notice here is that there isn't any advertising, nor is there any pop ups.

Why do you think that is?

Because of a few things.

1. The owner is a generous man, and shells out thousands of dollars to keep this place afloat.

2. Paying dealers, who advertise in their own section of Bladeforums.

3. Paying members. Depending on level, there are other benefits besides selling priveledges. Look at the 'upgrade your forum experience' link above. You are also supporting the operation of this site, where there is a vast amount of knowledge on knives, and other related things. No other website has what Spark has here, and your paid membership helps keep the lights on and the doors open.

This place costs money to operate. Just because you pay a fee to your ISP doesn't mean each website gets a cut of that.

Now, visit the other knife related websites, and see how much advertising you are hit with compared to here. I don't visit most of the other sites because of the advertising, and the pop ups. Those sites make their bills with those ads. This place makes its bills with paid membeships and a subsidy from the owners pocket.

Now, all of the staff here works for free. We do not receive any monetary or merchandise compensation whatsoever. We volunteer our time to help keep this place running smoothly, and when you give us grief for enforcing the owners rules, we tend to get a bit testy.

Now, you have a decision to make. Either support this place and follow the rules, or as you alluded to, leave. We don't need to make a career out of trying to make you understand how things work here. Ken did his job, and has been very patient with you. If you still don't understand after all of the explanations, then we cannot help you any further.
 
terse said:
You can really see how these things get out of hand. I'm sure there are many very good and experienced people, perhaps some of the best knife builders on this forum. I've enjoyed some of the content. I've already said I was not offering a knife for sale. Randall is selling knives for nearly the same price as I paid 10 years ago for a knife so I was merely wondering about the market. I waited 2 years to get my knife. I was not, and I am not interested in bickering about how you run your web forum. I am glad that you've earned the right to be the editor if that is a job that truly interests you. If I were an editor of a forum my approach might be a tad different that I'd wait till the actual infraction occured, not assume that it will occur or about to occur as you did in making an assumption that I was attempting to sell a knife. And here you are still claiming I was trying to circumvent your policy when I said that was not my intention, and boasting about earning your title and authority. I see a familar pattern with editors of forums. They tend to be so quick to make judgements.

Let's suppose me and another guy were having the same conversation in person. I don't think that anyone in the world would approve of some guy who overheard the conversation butting in and telling the two parties that they were not allowed to discuss what they were talking about,,, even before they even heard the end of the discussion. But some how on forums guys get on this power trip to shut conversations down. They most often leave it with getting in the last word too or saying something so outlandish it begs for a response but the forum leader knows they got them. I don't know why they feel the need end conversation people have and let the conversation take its course without making assumptions about how they feel the conversation will end up.... to learn if any rules get broke, which in my case no rules were violated. I still haven't violation any rules as far as I know.

For me, I asked a simple question, and still with all the chatter mist all the experienced people we're bogged down talking about a website policy baring specific content while my question goes unanswered:

So I'll start again if this is the correct place to do it. If not then maybe you could tell me where to post this question, You seem to be interested in ensuring that people do the right thing so if this is not the section to post the same question but in a differnt light using different words, then perhaps you could let me know where it should be posted. Please by all means feel free to copy the question and paste it to any free section where it will get the most exposure. Just make sure you let me know where to see any responses if any. Thanks!

Here goes:

I note Randall prices for knives are still around $300. This is about what I paid for a Randal knife 10 years ago. If this is the current pricing for a new Randall knife what is the used market? More? Less? If more how much more? Just wondering the market.
Disclaimer: my Randal knife is not for sale so don't ask me if it is for sale.




BTW what do you charge for a full subscription? A Legitimate questions in view of the question I just posed because if the used Randal knife market is tanked, and in consideration of your fee, it would not make much sense to join your forum just to post a for sale ad since it would have little effect. On the other hand if the market is twice what new Randal knifes are now then consideration will be given to joining your site to possibly advertise to sell a knife, eventhough that is not my intention currently.) I'm making no offer to sell. I think you could agree that it's OK to ask some questions before paying to advertise. Advertising is what your selling and I've not yet decided to pay for advertising since I don't have enough information. I guess you are also selling becoming an insider, but I'm not sure what that entails that is not on the free section. If you care to explain any additional benefits aside from free advertising, feel free to do so.


Terse
The outsider
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terse (tûrs)
adj. ters·er, ters·est
Brief and to the point; effectively concise: a terse one-word answer.



Might I suggest you pay the $10 fee to change your username?
 
Guyon said:
terse (tûrs)
adj. ters·er, ters·est
Brief and to the point; effectively concise: a terse one-word answer.



Might I suggest you pay the $10 fee to change your username?
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:D

Now, damn, that is bloody witty! I just choked on a bit of beer. :thumbup:
 
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