Nano-oil for knife pivots

Bladenoobie1 said:
to use nano oil on a knife, do you need to disassemble it and apply the oil directly to the pivot and washer, or would applying it from the side of a knife work well enough?
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I never disassemble my knives. I just add the lube right along the sides of the blades and locks.

JD
 
I just got some 10w and I have to say I'm impressed with how well it works. I got a 15cc bottle and it cost me $25. I'm not sure if the price is good enough for me to keep buying it, but I'm satisfied with what I have. I use it in combination with tuff glide.
 
Not sure if I need another bottle next to my boeshield, militec, tuf glide, rem oil, ballistol, and mineral oil, but it is tempting to try
 
Just an FYI, you can buy this from Amazon for about 17 bucks in the 10 weight. Other weights available also.
 
grease and gun oils have a high viscosity, which makes the actuation of the pivot much smoother, but it sticks, so its slow, and it has more of a dull deployment. with a nano oil its alot less viscous and more runny, so it is not as easy to maintain, but better for short term, and better if you want to lube often.

also take into consideration is it metal on metal; or metal on teflon?

that will also make a difference in the lube to use
 
I noticed this Nano oil is different than Nano Diamonds in the other leading brand & that the Nano Oil has some mystery material/particles St. Clair won't divulge that is 90 nanometers in diameter. When I asked the owner of St. Clair whether they had done any objective testing, independant or otherwise, he became defensive & said his customers provide the truth to its effectiveness. All he would say is a couple of companies have done their own testing on it (which he would not divulge who they were either) or what their results were. The only thing trademarked is their name. Neither of the companies have a patent on what they are doing. So when you remove all the subjective opinions and look for specific tests there is monumental gap. They may be the best lubricants ever invented & never cause any damage to the parts, but I have to wonder why they would not have mechanical loading tests with actual numbers rather than so and so saying it works great. That makes me wonder why. The 19th C. guy who invented snake oil depended on his customers to spread the word about how great his product was because they really believed it worked too--until they found out what was actually in it that is.
 
canoe2 said:
I noticed this Nano oil is different than Nano Diamonds in the other leading brand & that the Nano Oil has some mystery material/particles St. Clair won't divulge that is 90 nanometers in diameter. When I asked the owner of St. Clair whether they had done any objective testing, independant or otherwise, he became defensive & said his customers provide the truth to its effectiveness. All he would say is a couple of companies have done their own testing on it (which he would not divulge who they were either) or what their results were. The only thing trademarked is their name. Neither of the companies have a patent on what they are doing. So when you remove all the subjective opinions and look for specific tests there is monumental gap. They may be the best lubricants ever invented & never cause any damage to the parts, but I have to wonder why they would not have mechanical loading tests with actual numbers rather than so and so saying it works great. That makes me wonder why. The 19th C. guy who invented snake oil depended on his customers to spread the word about how great his product was because they really believed it worked too--until they found out what was actually in it that is.
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I guess it could look curious when someone won't divuldge ingredients. OTOH, that would be giving away the secret to what makes it so effective. I don't know about any legal or patent concerns. I do know it's the most effective lubricant I've used. I'm actually speaking of the times the other products I grew up with and used as an adult barely worked or didn't get the job done at all. I can tighten pivots tighter than when using other lubes. It also (5w) has broken free a couple of rusted bolts faster and easier than anything else I've used. Absolutely no waiting. Apply oil, put oil down, pick up wrench and break the bolt/nut free with a wait of 5-10 seconds max.

I am curious why you want to know what is in the oil. Personally if I were given a list of ingredients I doubt if I would know what most of them are. So far the oil has done everything it has been advertised to do. My opinion is not based on how I feel physically after taking a medicine or anything. I even gave my son some and just asked him to try it without saying anything else. A few days later he asked what it was. He said it made a couple of knives a lot smoother than any other oil had. He may have assumed it was good just because he knows I wouldn't give him something I didn't like.

Anyway, I'm not disagreeing with you at all but I'll keep using it. I don't remember any comments about it being used on knives for food prep. which is always a concern I suppose when using my pocket knife to cut something I'm going to eat. Normally when trying a new oil I offer the first bite to someone else. :)

Jack
 
jackknifeh said:
I recently found out about Nano-Oil and tried it. I immediatly noticed I could tighten the pivot screw tighter than I used to be able to still leaving the blade moving smooth and easy. This makes the knife feel more solid and coule reduce blade play. I've had knives that if you tighten the pivot enough to stop horizontal blade play the blade wouldn't move easily. Using Nano-Oil and tightening the pivot tighter you can reduce or eliminate blade play. I'm not saying it will eliminate all blade play known to man but it'll help. It is the best oil I've used. There are great lubricants out there that I haven't tried though. I just wanted to let anyone who hasn't heard of or tried Nano-Oil that it is available. I saw it first on Deal spot removed. I recommend trying it. More detailes are on their web site.

Jack
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I've tried a bunch of oil and I have the 10w nano lube... It seems no different than any other good oil.
 
Anything with the word 'nano' in it must be better than anything else, right. We have a 'Nano-Hairstylist' in my town, and a 'Nano-Clothing' shop too. I do know that they charge a LOT more than other places so I guess they're better...

Is there a smile-y for sarcasm?


Stitchawl
 
razor-edge-knives said:
I've tried a bunch of oil and I have the 10w nano lube... It seems no different than any other good oil.
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There are lots of lubes I haven't tried. Of what I have tried Nano-oil is better. Not in every case. Some knives for example pivot smoother than others. On every knife I've had problems with, Nano-oil helped more than 3-in-one, Quick Release, WD-40, wax lube and a teflon lube. Other than those examples I can't remember using anything else and there are lots of others that people swear by. Here is an example of why I think it is better. I recently forced a patina on my gayle bradley blade. When I put it back together I used Quick Release (great lube IMO). I adjusted the pivot to my liking but when I closed the knife the blade was way off center. I tried loosening the handle screws to force the blade to the opposite side. None of the things I've heard about worked. I could get the blade to center by tightening the pivot screw. But that left the pivot WAY too tight. One of Nano-oil's claims is it works better than others when under more pressure. I was thinking my problem was due to added friction between the blade tang and the washers due to the patina because I had never had this problem with this knife. It has always been one of the smoothest knives I have. So I tried the Nano oil. The knife immediately was working again. I could now tighten the pivot so there was no blade play, the blade was centered when closed AND the pivot was as smooth and easy to open/close as ever. I still have and will continue to use other lubes because 90% of the time they do work. When I runout of them I may stick with Nano oil. But since it is more expensive I'll probably get more 3-in-1 for times I need more than a few drops and the oil works. Nano-oil isn't the only good oil but it has been the only one that did a great job on several occasions when others failed or just didn't do as well. Just my experience though.

stitchawl said:
Anything with the word 'nano' in it must be better than anything else, right. We have a 'Nano-Hairstylist' in my town, and a 'Nano-Clothing' shop too. I do know that they charge a LOT more than other places so I guess they're better...

Is there a smile-y for sarcasm?


Stitchawl
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If Nano-oil were called Bob's-oil I'm sure it wouldn't work as well. :) Sorry about that all you Bob's out there. No telling how terrible it would be if it were called Jack's-oil. :D

Jack
 
jackknifeh said:
I guess it could look curious when someone won't divuldge ingredients. OTOH, that would be giving away the secret to what makes it so effective. I don't know about any legal or patent concerns. I do know it's the most effective lubricant I've used. I'm actually speaking of the times the other products I grew up with and used as an adult barely worked or didn't get the job done at all. I can tighten pivots tighter than when using other lubes. It also (5w) has broken free a couple of rusted bolts faster and easier than anything else I've used. Absolutely no waiting. Apply oil, put oil down, pick up wrench and break the bolt/nut free with a wait of 5-10 seconds max.

I am curious why you want to know what is in the oil. Personally if I were given a list of ingredients I doubt if I would know what most of them are. So far the oil has done everything it has been advertised to do. My opinion is not based on how I feel physically after taking a medicine or anything. I even gave my son some and just asked him to try it without saying anything else. A few days later he asked what it was. He said it made a couple of knives a lot smoother than any other oil had. He may have assumed it was good just because he knows I wouldn't give him something I didn't like.

Anyway, I'm not disagreeing with you at all but I'll keep using it. I don't remember any comments about it being used on knives for food prep. which is always a concern I suppose when using my pocket knife to cut something I'm going to eat. Normally when trying a new oil I offer the first bite to someone else. :)

Jack
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Hmm, why do we want to know what is in our steel blades? Is all steel the same too? If it cuts good then who cares? I am curious as to what is in it for the same reason I don't believe everything I hear. Its just looking at things objectively rather than subjectively. I suppose my science education makes me that way & curious about elements in steels, and ingredients in super lubrication. I want proof not opinions, particularly if they won't reveal what is in the mystery oil. The psychological placebo affect works not only on medical cures but also on everything else. If someone is convinced it will work before hand by george it WILL. Not saying you are in that category. Objectively looking at these oils means using actual numbers help say X lubricant does this amount and the Y lubricant does that amount. I don't think measured comparable results would divulge what is in them, would it? Also if a mystery object lubricates very well in the beginning but the particle in it turns out to cause damage in the long run to the metal then that would be a good reason to know what is in it. Then we can say objectively it is that much better than another etc. That doesn't seem out of line for a company to test it's own product like that or customers to expect it. Nano technology has been around since ~1962 so I don't think it is much of anything particularly new as it is something retailed for this purpose with this carrier oil. I base that on the lack of a patent and my conversation with the owner & my own research.

All that being said I will try the Nano oil and see how it works--out of curiosity.
 
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canoe2 said:
Hmm, why do we want to know what is in our steel blades? Is all steel the same too? If it cuts good then who cares? I am curious as to what is in it for the same reason I don't believe everything I hear. Its just looking at things objectively rather than subjectively. I suppose my science education makes me that way & curious about elements in steels, and ingredients in super lubrication. I want proof not opinions, particularly if they won't reveal what is in the mystery oil. The psychological placebo affect works not only on medical cures but also on everything else. If someone is convinced it will work before hand by george it WILL. Not saying you are in that category. Objectively looking at these oils means using actual numbers help say X lubricant does this amount and the Y lubricant does that amount. I don't think measured comparable results would divulge what is in them, would it? Also if a mystery object lubricates very well in the beginning but the particle in it turns out to cause damage in the long run to the metal then that would be a good reason to know what is in it. Then we can say objectively it is that much better than another etc. That doesn't seem out of line for a company to test it's own product like that or customers to expect it. Nano technology has been around since ~1962 so I don't think it is much of anything particularly new as it is something retailed for this purpose with this carrier oil. I base that on the lack of a patent and my conversation with the owner & my own research.

All that being said I will try the Nano oil and see how it works--out of curiosity.
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That makes perfect sense even if it doesn't matter to me what is in the oil. Blade steel? I know just enough about that to THINK I may know what to expect from a new steel to me by comparing the ingredients to a steel I am familiar with. Comparing oils like that would only confuse me. :) But I do like to know as much as possible when it comes to things I know more about. I definately agree about pre-conceived assumptions. They can ruin your ability to judge something objectively.


Jack
 
Yeah, I think there are far more people who do not care about the contents than those that do--for better or worse. I don't think that is necessarily bad, its just different ways of approaching the same problem. Its hard to turn it off sometimes for me. ;)

BTW, I found this site where nano lubricants are being sold by the gallon or quart in South Korea. Wouldn't it make more sense to buy these & put them in little bity tiny bottles for a whole lotta profit? http://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/KR/nano-oil-supplier.html Just saying.

Here is another (flashlights) forum discussion with inputs from both St Claire's Nano oil & Chris Arnold of NanoDiamondslube: http://flashlightnews.net/forum/index.php?topic=693.30;wap2
Its becoming more apparent that there has been no legal action to stop either party or to patent either of these formulations. I think anyone can claim 'patent pending' but that doesn't mean it is even being considered by the patent office. Sadly the public name calling between the 2 companies only makes them both look rather amateurish.

I should also add that when I contacted Christian St Claire to buy some he was polite & offered a full refund should I not be satisfied with it in any way--which he does on his ebay auctions also.
 
canoe2 said:
Yeah, I think there are far more people who do not care about the contents than those that do--for better or worse. I don't think that is necessarily bad, its just different ways of approaching the same problem. Its hard to turn it off sometimes for me. ;)

BTW, I found this site where nano lubricants are being sold by the gallon or quart in South Korea. Wouldn't it make more sense to buy these & put them in little bity tiny bottles for a whole lotta profit? http://www.alibaba.com/countrysearch/KR/nano-oil-supplier.html Just saying.

Here is another (flashlights) forum discussion with inputs from both St Claire's Nano oil & Chris Arnold of NanoDiamondslube: http://flashlightnews.net/forum/index.php?topic=693.30;wap2
Its becoming more apparent that there has been no legal action to stop either party or to patent either of these formulations. I think anyone can claim 'patent pending' but that doesn't mean it is even being considered by the patent office. Sadly the public name calling between the 2 companies only makes them both look rather amateurish.

I should also add that when I contacted Christian St Claire to buy some he was polite & offered a full refund should I not be satisfied with it in any way--which he does on his ebay auctions also.
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I've wondered about the patent pending status of a product. Once somethinb is patented someone else can't duplicate it (my basic understanding). But while it is pending? What an another person or company do? Stop research? Stop selling? Also, how long can it stay pending before it becomes no longer pending? Thsse are questions I've had but didn't care enough about to research. I'm sute there is a lot to getting a product out there and successful. I hope nothing happens that hinders Christian. He's been nothing but professional with me and I love Nano-oil.

Jack
 
jackknifeh said:
I've wondered about the patent pending status of a product. Once something is patented someone else can't duplicate it (my basic understanding). But while it is pending? What an another person or company do? Stop research? Stop selling? Also, how long can it stay pending before it becomes no longer pending? Thsse are questions I've had but didn't care enough about to research. I'm sute there is a lot to getting a product out there and successful. I hope nothing happens that hinders Christian. He's been nothing but professional with me and I love Nano-oil.

Jack
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For clarification, the Patent Pending status only means that a patent has been granted already and is waiting for the printing office to deliver the proper documents,

a large number of companies small and big are misusing the the verbiage on their packaging and in print ,
when someone files for a patent the only legal and proper reference to it is: Patent applied for,

there is a fine of $ 1,000.00 for misrepresentation and can be filed by anyone who wish to do so and there is not limit to the number of claimants,

Misrepresentation is a Federal offence and when ruled, such fines will have to be shared equally by the patent office and the claimants.
 
As someone who has done magic as a hobby since the age of 8, it never ceases to amaze me how easily we can be deceived, now much we want to believe in an illusion. Where on St. Claire's site does he cite any research or demonstrate proof of concept? Do you really believe he has created nano bearings, which by the way, he claims to have trademarked along with the name Nano Oil itself. FYI, a basic search of the US Trademark data base fails to disclose an active trade mark for either term under his name or anyone else for that matter. It is my suspicion that St. Claire is simply repackaging some other product and selling it. You probably wonder why he would be so brazen to do that? I have lived in the DC environs for over 35 years. At one time I used to do histories and physicals for some Federal law enforcement agencies including the Postal Service Inspectors. I got to know a bunch of them and was shocked to learn how difficult mail fraud is to prosecute. More often than not the FTC will issue cease and desist orders which fail to do anything. Selling snake oil is very difficult to prosecute. There is a certain "let the buyer beware" attitude not to mention the shear volume of cases.

Having been involved with alternative medicine and the issues with respect to what claims can and cannot be made, Kevin Tradeau is a case in point. It took the FTC years to get anything against him to stick. Legal actions began around 2000 and it was not until 2014 that he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. FYI, he started out as a car salesman which should come as not surprise.

I just filed a complaint with the FTC against Nano Oil. I requested that they investigate St. Claire's claims. As the FTC is in my backyard, I will do my best to make sure they follow through.
 
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Hey, Andrew124c41,
Thanks for bringing this thread up, I had forgotten it existed, sweet memory of a few clients chewing the fat about lubrication and what not, if you would to meet me in person, we are just about to take off to www.BladeShow.com in Marietta Georgia, Christian StClaire will be in Todd Begg booth www.BeggKnives.com while others will be in Eric Grimsmo, Bryan Gonzalez , Spartan blade plus a few other spot around this amazing Show,
Please note that you are mis spelling my name , it legally spells StClaire, also a little lesson on USPTO if I may, I heard you just turned 65 and it is never too late to learn something new specially as you seem to be broadcasting false information about United States Patent and TradeMark Office hence USPTO,
Nano-Oil - NanoLube - Nano-Bearings - Uni-Quik - Octo-Quik - MasterClip - Uni-Glow - Oxy-Klean - Nitrox 4 - Magnetik-Wood and many others are indeed TradeMarks of Christian StClaire StClaire Products LLC CA or Nitrox Technologies Inc
some have websites attached to those products some do not, some are Registered and some are not, some have patents and some have not,
Non the less they are Trademarks of Christian StClaire.
May I suggest Sir that you immerse yourself in USPTO Law Library since you are from DC, before you chose to deliberately Mis Inform the public in such a blatant manner,
Take care.
 
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