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wsyocum said:
Fixer27,
Gordon is the Hendrick team mate of, as well as the owner of Johnsons car. Gordon has 4 Cup championships and 60+ Cup wins to Johnsons 0 and <10 respectively...
Why do you think JJ is faring so much better than JG this year? And why do you think Gordon is "done" considering the 'anomoly' that is his last 5 races compared to his track record throughout his career?
Uncle Alan, etc...feel free to chime in.
Carry on...
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Every dog has it's day. Gordon has & will emerge from being snakebitten just like Junior. Seems a 3rd party is figuring in this slump---Stewart is outshining everyone of late. He qualified at least 2mph ahead[if my old eyes read the practice speeds tape correctly] of the pair. Both of them will work back up toward the front BUT unless something happens to"Smoke " they won't win. Junior seems to be learning what needs to be"tweaked" for better performance too.
Not meaning to say it'll be a 3 car race but who knows ?

Never said I was smart & just got further proof. I rank MSNBC below Home Shopping & just above MTV. Boy, would'a loved to have seen their NASCAR expose~. Anyone have a clue on finding their summation on the net? Is there a way to back-track it ? Please let me know.

Okay ! Silly season [ read stupid ] has hit. Martin is being wooed heavily & Waltrip is leaving DEI. Wow ! Blockbuster news ? Gimmie a break .

Sometimes I feel like I came in during the middle of a movie & discover it's the last feature & the theater will close when the movie ends. No chance of watching the beginning to get the total picture.


Uncle [ old too soon ,smart,too late ] Alan ;) :yawn:
 
Qual was a couple of hours ago. "Smoke was the highest of the three at 13th with Jeffy and Jr. coming in several positions behind. Vickers, a rookie, won the pole...his third of the season.
The one thing I like about the new 'impoundment rule" is that we get a truer sense of how the teams wil run on Sunday as it forces them to qualify in race trim. None of this garbage of the first two practices focusing solely on qualifying, taping her all up and tweaking the motor to blaze for two laps in a condition where it would blow up after four...then re-adjust to race trim and run the final practice for real race conditions.
The old way gave absolutely no indication as to how well the pole-sitter and top qualifiers would actually do when they dropped the green flag.
 
J Gordon just isn't winning the close races like he used to. And true there
are only 4(maybe five) races were drafting comes into play but as the TV
announcers say "he just needs someone to work with him" and J Gordon
isn't really helping JJ much. I wonder if JJ would return the favor if the
cup chase was close? The difference in 2nd and third place in the cup chase
is literally hundreds of thousands of dollars.
 
I think the bottom line is whoever finishes higher wins more $...team mates or not. I don't know any driver out there who wouldn't sell out his own team mate if it gave him a chance to win the race...especially if the team mate was actually going to cost him a higher finish. Unfortunately we only have the last 10 years to look back and evaluate how teams co-exist on and off the track. No multi-car teams back in your 'shine' running days huh, Uncle Alan?
 
wsyocum said:
I think the bottom line is whoever finishes higher wins more $...team mates or not. I don't know any driver out there who wouldn't sell out his own team mate if it gave him a chance to win the race...especially if the team mate was actually going to cost him a higher finish. Unfortunately we only have the last 10 years to look back and evaluate how teams co-exist on and off the track. No multi-car teams back in your 'shine' running days huh, Uncle Alan?
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The first big team that I recall was Kiekhafer-Mercury in 1959 & of course they were Dodges because the sponsor was a big dog in outboards. Think they had acres on a huge lake in the Kissimee Florida area for testing outboards. Buck Baker might have driven for them. Watched them during qualifying for the first Charlotte race. { Free too ] Curtis Turner & Little Joe operated as a team & functioned as blocking backs for each other at times. Possibly other teams but cannot recall any. Most cars had Joe's Paint & Body or,Smith Ford-Lincoln-Mercury or friends & families names on them . All this excitement that day ,[little Joe won the points race & got his $2,000 in silver dollars as a joke ] had me ready to go racing. Stuck my $10.00 admission in my wallet's secret compartment & left whistling. This was going to be my first NASCAR race on a super speedway ! One old NASCAR track I visited had become a subdivision because the owner read the track trend correctly & bailed out.
Forgot to mention Curtis Turner ,the track owner [ driver--lumber baron ] ran out of money just as the last 50 feet of track was being paved. Charlotte-News reported that the paver finished it under protest AND at gun-point .Publicity stunt ? Anyhow it got finished-a 1&1/2 mile high-bank ! Wow.
The week before the race my ugly daughter became ill. The doctor bill was $8.00 & the medicine was,yep,$2.00.
When 3 of us began dirt tracking we stuck the name of an auto parts company that I worked for on the side. Promoted oil,filters STP & some free machine work from them.

In those days the short-track racers actually were making money because of a 3 nights & Sunday afternoon schedule. One man [used car dealer in S.C. ] had a car carrier & a car for each of the 4 types of races. Cars were all Fords ,same color scheme ,same or similar numbers & A-1 drivers. When the locals saw that car-carrier appear they all knew they were going to have to drive their best & settle for a top 5 finish if lucky.

Those were the days.
Sorry about the rambling response but if you ask a Southern boy the time,he'll try to tell you how to build a watch.

Uncle Alan ;)
 
uncle Alan said:
The first big team that I recall was Kiekhafer-Mercury in 1959 & of course they were Dodges because the sponsor was a big dog in outboards. Think they had acres on a huge lake in the Kissimee Florida area for testing outboards. Buck Baker might have driven for them. Watched them during qualifying for the first Charlotte race. { Free too ] Curtis Turner & Little Joe operated as a team & functioned as blocking backs for each other at times. Possibly other teams but cannot recall any. Most cars had Joe's Paint & Body or,Smith Ford-Lincoln-Mercury or friends & families names on them . All this excitement that day ,[little Joe won the points race & got his $2,000 in silver dollars as a joke ] had me ready to go racing. Stuck my $10.00 admission in my wallet's secret compartment & left whistling. This was going to be my first NASCAR race on a super speedway ! One old NASCAR track I visited had become a subdivision because the owner read the track trend correctly & bailed out.
Forgot to mention Curtis Turner ,the track owner [ driver--lumber baron ] ran out of money just as the last 50 feet of track was being paved. Charlotte-News reported that the paver finished it under protest AND at gun-point .Publicity stunt ? Anyhow it got finished-a 1&1/2 mile high-bank ! Wow.
The week before the race my ugly daughter became ill. The doctor bill was $8.00 & the medicine was,yep,$2.00.
When 3 of us began dirt tracking we stuck the name of an auto parts company that I worked for on the side. Promoted oil,filters STP & some free machine work from them.

In those days the short-track racers actually were making money because of a 3 nights & Sunday afternoon schedule. One man [used car dealer in S.C. ] had a car carrier & a car for each of the 4 types of races. Cars were all Fords ,same color scheme ,same or similar numbers & A-1 drivers. When the locals saw that car-carrier appear they all knew they were going to have to drive their best & settle for a top 5 finish if lucky.

Those were the days.
Sorry about the rambling response but if you ask a Southern boy the time,he'll try to tell you how to build a watch.

Uncle Alan ;)
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As my young calls him,Smoke Stewart won by a good margin & as an encore performed more gymnastics to the delight of the fans.
Junior struggled up to about 9th & Pretty boy continues to suffer from snakebite.
Safe race. On to Long Pond ! ;)



Uncle Alan
 
Smoke smoked 'em. Jr. ran well and for all of his detractors, so did Gordon. However, he was, once again, a victim of rotten luck.
Go #20, Go #6!
 
uncle Alan said:
The first big team that I recall was Kiekhafer-Mercury in 1959 & of course they were Dodges because the sponsor was a big dog in outboards. Think they had acres on a huge lake in the Kissimee Florida area for testing outboards. Buck Baker might have driven for them. Watched them during qualifying for the first Charlotte race. { Free too ] Curtis Turner & Little Joe operated as a team & functioned as blocking backs for each other at times. Possibly other teams but cannot recall any. Most cars had Joe's Paint & Body or,Smith Ford-Lincoln-Mercury or friends & families names on them . All this excitement that day ,[little Joe won the points race & got his $2,000 in silver dollars as a joke ] had me ready to go racing. Stuck my $10.00 admission in my wallet's secret compartment & left whistling. This was going to be my first NASCAR race on a super speedway ! One old NASCAR track I visited had become a subdivision because the owner read the track trend correctly & bailed out.
Forgot to mention Curtis Turner ,the track owner [ driver--lumber baron ] ran out of money just as the last 50 feet of track was being paved. Charlotte-News reported that the paver finished it under protest AND at gun-point .Publicity stunt ? Anyhow it got finished-a 1&1/2 mile high-bank ! Wow.
The week before the race my ugly daughter became ill. The doctor bill was $8.00 & the medicine was,yep,$2.00.
When 3 of us began dirt tracking we stuck the name of an auto parts company that I worked for on the side. Promoted oil,filters STP & some free machine work from them.

In those days the short-track racers actually were making money because of a 3 nights & Sunday afternoon schedule. One man [used car dealer in S.C. ] had a car carrier & a car for each of the 4 types of races. Cars were all Fords ,same color scheme ,same or similar numbers & A-1 drivers. When the locals saw that car-carrier appear they all knew they were going to have to drive their best & settle for a top 5 finish if lucky.

Those were the days.
Sorry about the rambling response but if you ask a Southern boy the time,he'll try to tell you how to build a watch.

Uncle Alan ;)
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Have heard the Curtis Turner/ gun point story before...too cool.
Thanks for sharing Uncle Alan.
For all of those that don't know, Alan has more first hand knowledge of the early days of NASCAR than any of us would ever dream about. Listen/read closely when he posts on the subject or you will miss out.
Just some friendly advice. :cool:
 
Anyone remember # 28,Fred Lorenzen AKA "The Elmherst Express ? Greene used his system of getting in a good forward spot & stroking until the laps wound down . Then he'd start picking 'em off until he had the lead with a few laps remaining. Lorenzen must have had an intense day the last race I saw him in at the Rock or had eaten several racetrack hotdogs because after he won he got out & tossed his cookies .
The last few laps of today's race were really a treat after watching several ho-hum ones.


Uncle Alan
 
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