Native 4 CFP warranty report

My native had similar marks on the liners. I really don't think they're cracks, they look like tooling marks.

The scraping you're talking about probably has more to do with the washer area of the knife or the lock mechanism.

I'm not sure if it's just because the Native IV is such a new knife, but I had some problems with the lock on mine as well, including the weird clicking sound you describe.

I suggest you send it back to Spyderco!
 
sasafrass said:
Why don't you take his advice and quit trying to get people all worked up over what appears to be nothing.
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The last time I checked this was a forum for discussion not just a fan club.

sasafrass said:
BTW, I followed the last thread http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=617208 on this subject where you belabored your point ad nauseam and where, once again, Sal suggested that you return the knife and where you were less than civil to him.
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I've apologized to Sal for that. I did return that knife.

sasafrass said:
In response to your little pole, I also have a Native lV and one of the liners has the same mark. The action on my knife is butter smooth with no "scraping" and I'm not worried about it in the least.
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There's no need to go questioning the size of my pole.. As for my poll I think it's been an interesting discussion.

sasafrass said:
In case you haven't figured it out by now, Spyderco has a sterling reputation for standing behind it's products.
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I've heard about that reputation from many people. That's why I found it perplexing that they would replace my original Native 4CF with the "manufacturing issue" on one liner for one with the "manufacturing issue" on both liners.

From what I can tell from my limited experience with Spyderco they are as dedicated to the quality of their product as any production knife maker out there and I doubt that they are unaware of this issue. It might be just a manufacturing "mark" but I'll bet it's been discussed and looked at.

Anyway, when the Post Office opens tomorrow the knife goes back.
 
In defense of Amnesiac, if it is a crack (not a tooling mark) it does not matter if it opens smoothly or not, the bigger issue is that under repeated use the part may fail, and if it fails while being using used in a critical situation that is a big issue, i want to have faith in my quality tools and know that i can trust them to do what they are supposed to do at all times.
 
Like i said above. I have that "mark" on both my liners. I really can't see how it would fail because it's parallel to the liner. I have a suspicion that it is a tool mark. Personally I'm not worried about it.

BTW, i looked at the original post and it's pictures it doesn't look like it, the "mark" ever touched the edge of the liner on his original knife. I really don't know what he felt, but mine is very, very smooth as are most Spyderco's

I qualify it because it depends on the action type. My Sage is smooth in it's own right but the linerlock has it's own built in friction. So u can't compare the two knives.
 
IMO, those are just marks from manufacturing and probably where they cut out the shape of the liners. each liner side is probably identical since it's a lockback and not a linerlock or something, which would explain some having marks on just one liners, or some having identical marks on both liners.

If you look inside the spider hole, it's probably not completely smooth either. That's just how it has to be. Now I understand that you feel it is a cause of concern to have what are arguably cracks or tool marks. So I just hope that you are able to obtain a Native that does not have the marks/cracks! I wish you good luck :thumbup:
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Amnesiac,

I would suggest that you send it to Spyderco.

sal
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You said that you sent the knife back. Did you send it to Spyderco? Did you include a note as to what was wrong with it?

If you did, my apologies. I would suggest again that you send it to Spyderco and please include a note that explains the problem and ask customer service to call it to my attention.

sal
 
Sal's pretty much bending over backwards for you...maybe you should take him up on his offer and tell customer service to bring it up with him instead of complaining about it here...I'm sure if he's telling you to tell customer service to bring it up with him, your problem will be solved.
 
I think that both sides are being perfectly polite and civilized here. There's no need to denigrate the OP for bringing up the issue for discussion.

It's interesting that the cracks seem to be making a widespread appearance. Any thoughts as to what could be causing this? It's apparently enough for Sal to think it should be sent back.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
It's interesting that the cracks seem to be making a widespread appearance. Any thoughts as to what could be causing this?
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I do not think that these are cracks. I looked at my knife using 10x eye lope and it is not clear if these marks are cracks or indents from the tool /fixture, but considering that all of them have the same location, I am thinking that they are coming from process and not material. Somebody, who is familiar with process will be able to determine better.
Still, I do not believe that this will effect form, fit or function. FRN Native doesn't have liners at all and I haven't heard report about it's failure. So from my point of view this is as maximum absolutely minor cosmetic issue or non issue at all.
 
I checked today and found that my 2 both have the same issue. They appear to be in the same spot. Not that big of deal IMHO. I carry daily so it will have way more abuse then a tool mark.
 
Given the consistency of the marks I think your guess as to it being tooling-related is probably pretty close to the mark.
 
I must agree that it is a fixture mark of some kind that was not ground off enough. We're chasing it down now.

On the other hand, We do not make perfect knives, regardless of what our customers might expect. These are production pieces. We do the best we can. If you are going to take out your 30X magnifiers and try to find imperfection, you certainly will.

We try our best to provide custom quality in production pieces.

If you are seeking perfection, I suggest that you find some custom makers that you like and support them. That's what custom guys do very well.

Amnesiac said he paid $160 for the piece and he expected perfection. How many custom makers can make you a perfect carbon fiber 3" lock back folder for $160?

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
I must agree that it is a fixture mark of some kind that was not ground off enough. We're chasing it down now.

On the other hand, We do not make perfect knives, regardless of what our customers might expect. These are production pieces. We do the best we can. If you are going to take out your 30X magnifiers and try to find imperfection, you certainly will.

We try our best to provide custom quality in production pieces.

If you are seeking perfection, I suggest that you find some custom makers that you like and support them. That's what custom guys do very well.

Amnesiac said he paid $160 for the piece and he expected perfection. How many custom makers can make you a perfect carbon fiber 3" lock back folder for $160?

sal
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Very well said Sal,

Spyderco makes knives of exceptional quality for the price. Keep up the good work.

Mike
 
Don't sell your products short, Sal. I've owned a few "higher-end" knives that didn't outshine the knives I've purchased from your company. Two of those being from sought-after custom makers. Both are now owned by someone else, and neither was without flaw(s).
When is that G-10 Dragonfly coming out, anyways??;)
 
"If you are going to take out your 30X magnifiers and try to find imperfection, you certainly will"....The scratch does not need a 30X loupe to see.

"How many custom makers can make you a perfect carbon fiber 3" lock back folder for $160?" The MSRP is $260 and comparing it to a custom is unfair. I'll compare it to other spyderco products. What about my shabaria which is 6 years old and made in Japan? It has perfectly smooth liners as does the handle on my Spyderco Lum Chinese (also Japanese). However, my recent spyerdco, Tmag had a rough surface to the liner edges with little dents and bumps. Maybe the US plant needs to meet the standards of Spyderco's japanese partners.

But Hey, just for grins :) lets compare it to customs. How about my $200 HKParker stainless steel and pearl slipjoint. My $200 custom is perfect and has no tooling marks. Even has polished liners. What about my $120 Dick Atckinson...no tooling marks there also.
 
brownshoe said:
"If you are going to take out your 30X magnifiers and try to find imperfection, you certainly will"....The scratch does not need a 30X loupe to see.

"How many custom makers can make you a perfect carbon fiber 3" lock back folder for $160?" The MSRP is $260 and comparing it to a custom is unfair. I'll compare it to other spyderco products. What about my shabaria which is 6 years old and made in Japan? It has perfectly smooth liners as does the handle on my Spyderco Lum Chinese (also Japanese). However, my recent spyerdco, Tmag had a rough surface to the liner edges with little dents and bumps. Maybe the US plant needs to meet the standards of Spyderco's japanese partners.

But Hey, just for grins :) lets compare it to customs. How about my $200 HKParker stainless steel and pearl slipjoint. My $200 custom is perfect and has no tooling marks. Even has polished liners. What about my $120 Dick Atckinson...no tooling marks there also.
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Give it a rest brownshoe. My T-Mag (both!) have no marks on the liners at all. Perfectly smooth. Also, the Native4 was made in Seki, that wouldn't be a qc problem with the US based plant.

MSRP is $260, but he stated he paid $160. He paid $160 and is expecting an absolutely perfect knife. I for one wouldn't like tooling marks on my liners, however if there were, I would fully expect the company to stand behind the product and replace or repair it at their choice. Which they have done, and are doing again.
 
The tooling marks on my knife and, I suspect, all knives involved are so small and insignificant that I would bet they would escape the scrutiny of 99% of all buyers unless called to their attention. To me these tiny marks are totally a non issue and I think that Sal and Spyderco are going way above and beyond the call of duty replacing the entire knife because of a couple of barely noticeable marks that one must strain to see with the naked eye.

As Sal so aptly said "If you are seeking perfection, I suggest that you find some custom makers that you like and support them. That's what custom guys do very well."

'Nuff said.
 
Sal Glesser said:
On the other hand, We do not make perfect knives, regardless of what our customers might expect. These are production pieces. We do the best we can. If you are going to take out your 30X magnifiers and try to find imperfection, you certainly will.

sal
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brownshoe said:
"If you are going to take out your 30X magnifiers and try to find imperfection, you certainly will"....The scratch does not need a 30X loupe to see.

"How many custom makers can make you a perfect carbon fiber 3" lock back folder for $160?" The MSRP is $260 and comparing it to a custom is unfair. I'll compare it to other spyderco products. What about my shabaria which is 6 years old and made in Japan? It has perfectly smooth liners as does the handle on my Spyderco Lum Chinese (also Japanese). However, my recent spyerdco, Tmag had a rough surface to the liner edges with little dents and bumps. Maybe the US plant needs to meet the standards of Spyderco's japanese partners.

But Hey, just for grins :) lets compare it to customs. How about my $200 HKParker stainless steel and pearl slipjoint. My $200 custom is perfect and has no tooling marks. Even has polished liners. What about my $120 Dick Atckinson...no tooling marks there also.
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Answered before asked. Put a cork in it, brownshoe. Spyderco is a production company. Picking at a sample here and a sample there and finding cosmetic imperfections is ... trolling. Don't do that anymore. It distracts from honest conversation.
 
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