need helping chossing between brkt,fallkniven,and rat cutlery

nodh said:
Well. If you had read up on the history on Fallkniven you would know that the first knives were made by Linder in Germany, that as far as I know doesnt have anything to do with Cold Steel.
In about 1997 the production moved to Japan where they started using VG10 steel. If the Fallkniven knives were made in the same factory as CS I dont know. However there are more resemblence between the Linder hunting knife and the F1 than between the F1 and the CS Master Hunter.
Do you have any sources for this information other than "it's said"?

Not buying things because they are made in a different country is so ignorant. So if you were to buy a Ford and figured out that that particular vehicle was assembled in Japan would you not buy it then?

Well, IKEA is Swedish, or actually owned by a organisation in Schwitzerland (not Sweden), all the gadgets they sell are made all over the world. SAAB is swedish, but owned by a car company on the brink of bankrupcy, in a country that has run its economy down the drain which has effected the whole worlds economy.
The same goes with Volvo.
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So it's not alright to talk at all negatively about Fällkniven's history + "similarity" to certain other knives in a thread when someone specifically asks about it, and yet somehow it's OK for you to troll on about America's economy and it's effects on your little country?

What does that have to do with anything anyone asked about?

If you want to talk about politics/govt, I'd suggest you buy a membership and do it in the political sub-forum.
 
Gentlemen, back off the political arguing, discuss the knives. Joe-bob, you poke another thread like this where I can see it, and I will consider issuing you an infraction for trolling.

Guys, the character of a company or its owner are legitimate topics for discussion. Why not hold that discussion in the proper place, NOT as a snide one-liner tossed off to derail a perfectly good KNIFE discussion here.

Nodh, relax, a couple of remarks annoyed you but that doesn't justify insulting my whole country! :)
 
From a DESIGN standpoint all are really great knives and I've owned examples of each but I would say it is really user preference at that point. They all have their own "feel" and all handle a bit differently but for what you are asking they will all perform well.

As someone else mentioned as long as you keep your blade oiled the high humidity will not be too much of a concern so it should be more about what knife you think fits you best.

Right now I really love my Koster Bushcraft which is around your price range and in CPM 3V steel, not stainless but fairly rust resistant... quickly becoming one of my favorite steels.
 
I'd go with the Fallkniven, but that's as a result of 1. Owning an A1, which was a result of 2. Results of field-testing by others and recommendations from here. I plan to get a smaller sheath knife, and it'll likely be a smaller Fallkniven. (Tho I'll probably end up looking for a custom sheath.)

Jim
 
Tony_A said:
So it's not alright to talk at all negatively about Fällkniven's history + "similarity" to certain other knives in a thread when someone specifically asks about it, and yet somehow it's OK for you to troll on about America's economy and it's effects on your little country?
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I can't speak for Nodh, but I posit that while it's perfectly alright to talk positively or negatively about any company's history, it would seem infinitely more credible and reasonable if even the least bit of proof was presented to support statements, instead of using 'weasel wording' like "it's said..."

I mean, it's now also said that Fällkniven practices cannibalistic rituals, in which I personally regularly partake - they're plain evil. Not that I have any proof or source for this statement. Except myself. ;) :D


When it comes to choosing between those three companies, I would go with Fällkniven for the simple reason that their designs are somewhat reasonably priced, and perform well, and most of all, aren't riddled with pointless large choils on small knives. The Fällkniven designs are rather functional. In cold environs, the fact that on Fällknivens the handles cover the steel tang is a good thing.
 
Elen said:
When it comes to choosing between those three companies, I would go with Fällkniven for the simple reason that their designs are somewhat reasonably priced, and perform well, and most of all, aren't riddled with pointless large choils on small knives. The Fällkniven designs are rather functional. In cold environs, the fact that on Fällknivens the handles cover the steel tang is a good thing.
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Another +1 for those godless cannibals.
 
nodh said:
Do you have any sources for this information other than "it's said"?
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Nope. I've read this info from several different people on this forum. If I had a credible source, I would have named it instead of typing "It's said".

Not buying things because they are made in a different country is so ignorant. So if you were to buy a Ford and figured out that that particular vehicle was assembled in Japan would you not buy it then?

Well, IKEA is Swedish, or actually owned by a organisation in Schwitzerland (not Sweden), all the gadgets they sell are made all over the world. SAAB is swedish, but owned by a car company on the brink of bankrupcy, in a country that has run its economy down the drain which has effected the whole worlds economy.
The same goes with Volvo.
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Did you miss the multiple remarks of them being great knives? Did you miss the part where I said I own one and will be getting another? Did you even read my post before replying?

My original post was to make the point that basing your purchases on politics severely limits your choices, as there are very few knife companies with no detractors. My follow-up was answering a question from Gunfucious.

Elen said:
instead of using 'weasel wording' like "it's said..."
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I regard the phrase "It's said" as being "It's rumored". Maybe I should have typed that instead, but I guess I mistakenly assumed it would be understood.:rolleyes:

As for reason, see above.

At Esav's request, I won't post off-topic in this thread any further. If you have any other comments, feel free to PM me.
 
kiahs said:
I regard the phrase "It's said" as being "It's rumored". Maybe I should have typed that instead, but I guess I mistakenly assumed it would be understood.:rolleyes:

As for reason, see above.

At Esav's request, I won't post off-topic in this thread any further. If you have any other comments, feel free to PM me.
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Again, I speak for myself alone, but I did understand that "it's said" is an euphemism for "it's rumored" - if it was something else, something beyond a baseless rumor, there would be sources mentioned, and such. ;) So, I have no problem with what you wrote. My suggestion was a general one: if any of us - you, me, or someone else - is going to make statements on something, it helps to offer proof instead of just saying. That makes sense to me, at least. Where I was getting at was simply that in general, it's best to offer proof or source in support of statements, lest they be discarded as baseless or possibly malicious rumors. The part about Fällknivens being manufactured on CS tooling without their knowledge or approval seems to be unverified rumor - yet there are other political issues concerning other makers that are not unverified or rumor, but fact. I was replying to Tony_A's post, and not to yours - and I've no problem with either of you. :thumbup:

I agree with you that the whole political aspect of buying knives is troublesome, and I for one try to keep myself out of it most of the time. So, I would and have made my choice between Rat, BRKT and Fällkniven based on what I know of their products through experience. And through that experience, I've come to consider Fällkniven the best of those three, for my purposes anyway. Some may find the same features that I appreciate completely unnecessary to them - like whether they want an exposed tang or no, or whether they want choils on small knives or no. Tastes differ. I'd recommend anyone who can to try 'em all out in hand and use and see which they like best, and to go with that. Nothing beats personal experience if you want to know which you will like best.
 
Here is the deal on those 3 knives--You CANNOT go wrong.

Just FYI--all of them have their politics--including Rat Cutlery.

I stock all 3 and they are #1 2 and 3 on my list of favorites. I would buy any one of them and be totally happy!
 
First let me tell you I have not handled any of those.

BUT! I would get the F1 if I were in your shoes.
 
Do what I have done. Don't decide which to buy, decide which to buy first...unless you are on the brink of death, there's plenty of time to buy more.

I would go with a Barkie, then plan on the FK next, probably buy another Barkie before that, get a FK, then a RAT...then a Ranger...lots of options.

Snap one up, and if you cant buy multiple as soon as you would like, you loose about $20 per $100 getting what you want in trades with shipping.
 
kiahs said:
There is nothing wrong with them. The knives are excellent. I recently picked up an S1, and will be getting a larger model soon.

As for politics. Some people find it disingenuous that the knives have no country of origin, and are advertised very prominently with "Sweden", when the knives are actually made in Japan.

Also, Fallkniven started life as a European Cold Steel distributor. They later decided to get into the production business. It's said that they started their manufacturing by having Cold Steel's Japanese factory produce their knives on CS's tooling without CS's knowledge. This being the reason certain CS knives and certain Fallkniven knives are so similar.

But, like I said, they make great knives.
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Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
kiahs said:
They do. He's basing it on politics. There is a very large thread in GB&U on the subject. If you want a knife from a company with no bad politics, RAT is your only choice among the three. That said, if you don't care about politics, they are all great knives.
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what's GB&U?
 
ah, thank you!

in regards to the "politics" thing, i would suggest that anyone who wants to know what's going on should go to the Bark River forum at KF and get the pertinent information from the source: Mike Stewart himself. the thread is stickied.

(( Please read my post # 22 in this thread and do not stir up cross-forum flame wars in a knife discussion subforum. ))
 
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Congrats on your F1.It was my first Fallkniven and I never for a second regretted buying it.Did you get the Leather or synthetic sheath?I have the full cover leather sheath but I carry it in a shorty spec-ops survival now.
 
Just to offer som kind of apology.

I consider the American people and american politics being two totally different things.
And yes, I can understand why people dont care what happens in the worlds economies, because Average Joe, like Medelsvensson and every other regular guy can not do anything about it, except hoping that the bank doesnt take your money and your house and job.
Still, what happens in the US economy has repercussions on exactly every other countries economy as well.
However, the American person, individual, average joe guy who buys knives is not to blame whatsoever, he has the same problems as anyone else. Going to work, having lunch, going back home, worrying about high gas prices and stupid politicians and what to get for dinner and dreaming about winning millions on lottery and what what activity the kids are going to do in the morning and if you can afford that new whatever.

That about that. Back to the knives.
It would be interesting to get the background info on the Fallkniven thing. It might be right, it might be wrong. I dont know, but it is still news to me.

Does the F1 fit well in the short specops sheath?

I hope you understand what I meant. I too are worried that the bank will go down.
 
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