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Pellel2 said:
If you used your credit card to pay thru Paypal you can get your money back thru the credit card company. In certain circumstances some banks will refund a withdrawal if you can prove fraud.
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This route will almost certainly ensure that your PP account will be frozen, but it's worth it if the amount of money is large enough.....
 
His account will be frozen....if you have a strong case your credit card will take over and deal with Paypal. Your own account shouldn't get frozen. Amex is very well known to be the best at getting cash back from Paypal.
 
Sellers should not include the option of paying by Gift and should always include the fees in their price. Buyers should not purchase from sellers who include the option of payment by Gift.
 
Thank you all for your responses and appreciate the input...but...most of you are missing the point of this thread.

The thread wasn't meant to justify gifting or question the pp policy. It serves couple of issues other than PP usage. Primarily, the responsibility of the seller and the importance of communication. That's all. Jeers are towards the action of the seller not whether PP was used. This thread would have been posted even if PP goods was used.

In regards to PP usage, that is a different topic. Would this have been different if it was USPS money order?

Thank you all again.
 
AVigil said:
If the seller does not want to pay the PayPal fees that apply to them....then they should not use PayPal...period
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I totally agree. It always got my goat watching seller's passing off what is clearly their responsibility even according to PayPal to pay, like they are doing the buyer a favor.Same goes for if you want insurance on your package it will cost you more, uhmmm no like it will cost more for you the seller if my package gets stolen or lost so good luck with that lol. It's amusing though seeing some of the for sale ads with the price reductions but still won't give up on that add 4%.
 
euroken said:
Thank you all for your responses and appreciate the input...but...most of you are missing the point of this thread.

The thread wasn't meant to justify gifting or question the pp policy. It serves couple of issues other than PP usage. Primarily, the responsibility of the seller and the importance of communication. That's all. Jeers are towards the action of the seller not whether PP was used. This thread would have been posted even if PP goods was used.

In regards to PP usage, that is a different topic. Would this have been different if it was USPS money order?

Thank you all again.
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There is no difference other than your screwed with no recourse if he scammed you and doesn't follow through.Good Luck hopefully getting your knife.
 
Again, I hope the OP gets his knife - I really do.

But, I just find it ironic we have people complaining about possibly being screwed, when they screwed over the very entity that could have been able to legally help them in the first place.

How many times?? Do not cheat paypal and use the gift option - it's bad karma.
 
Yeaaahhh. . . . Doesn't sound to me like this guy ever intended on dropping off that package. I could be wrong but I seriously doubt this one's going to end well. :(

Ken,

At least you can take heart in knowing I sent you one! :D



treeshaker said:
The forum has few rules, but reading them saves a lot of heartache. Op you chose to do business, with a member with < 5 itrades. 4 as seller as I can tell. I would have to ask was the 3.0% worth it ? You Also broke Paypal rules by lying on their transaction. Often Paypal will ask for first and last name of person you are gifting, what name did you put if you were asked ? Also it is VERY possible that if the seller did not go inside the Post Office, (dropped in outside box, or some off site box) that the package would not be scanned until the knife got to the Main Dist. Ctr for HIS area.Many ( 6-10) Local Post Offices often feed into a main Dist. Ctr 25-100 miles away. I had this exact thing happen about a year ago on this very site. I shipped a knife from drop box, and a Zaan got lost for 17 days before showing up at the Dist. Ctr in Denver Co. I called everyday to My Dist. Ctr ( Charlotte NC ), And the Buyers Dist. Ctr. ( Denver Co.) So This DOES not make the seller a crook. BF says that no deal is over till both sides are happy. You are not. I would suggest you contact the USPS Dist. Ctr in your area . When a package is shipped, even though someone at home created a LABEL and pays fee, only when the label is scanned does it become a package, activated. THIS IS WHY IF YOU SHIP YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TAKE PACKAGE AND GET SCAN RECEIPT FROM POST OFFICE. All you got is a NON -Activated Label. I am sorry if this rambles, it is just complicated. 99.99 % of the time things go well, but every time without the actual scan receipt deals are at risk. It just shows how lucky or good the USPS is. In the future always seek the scan report, via phone photo, email etc. it is very simple. Seller has at least 4 positive sells, ( BF archives cut me off at 11/14/2014 ) . I hope you get made whole and am very sorry. It happens to the best of them as they say, and it will get settled for sure. This is the best site anywhere. Following guidelines just makes it easier and would have solved your situation. Hope this helps, as I do not want to see anyone unhappy in the exchange.
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The 4 weeks between Thanksgiving and Christmas are the worst for the post office. It's when the most misplaced packages and bad tracking info occur. I'm crossing my fingers for you that this deal all works out as intended, the package is unexpectedly delayed, and the seller is not able to reach his computer for some unknown reason.
 
Pellel2 said:
His account will be frozen....if you have a strong case your credit card will take over and deal with Paypal. Your own account shouldn't get frozen. Amex is very well known to be the best at getting cash back from Paypal.
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PayPal will freeze your account for using the gift option and then making a claim for the money through Visa (or whatever CC you use)
The payment from your card was taken through PP, and they will be the first to be contacted when you make your claim.
 
Well we still have a filthy pig thief among us to deal with .. Never a good thing . It could be any one of us this happened to. As far as the moral high ground regarding Pay Pal it is what it is . You could argue that a lot of us are friends , in a strange way maybe but I have a few online friends I trade with often with the friends and family tab.

Still would be nice to flush this fool out and get the OP his goods . He has freely admitted he made a poor choice in payment but he still deserves what he paid for.

Good luck
 
euroken said:
Thank you all for your responses and appreciate the input...but...most of you are missing the point of this thread.

The thread wasn't meant to justify gifting or question the pp policy. It serves couple of issues other than PP usage. Primarily, the responsibility of the seller and the importance of communication. That's all. Jeers are towards the action of the seller not whether PP was used. This thread would have been posted even if PP goods was used.

In regards to PP usage, that is a different topic. Would this have been different if it was USPS money order?

Thank you all again.
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I got the point of your thread, and I am both sorry that this is happening to you, and applaud you for pointing out a 'member' that the rest of us need to keep an eye on. Please let us know how this ends. My rant about the 'gift' option was more to warn those reading your story, there have been far too many issues in the GBU lately related to people using the 'gift' option.....
I wish you the best.
 
Agreed 100%. People get so wrapped up in the PP issue that they lose sight of the fact that the seller is a thieving douche who still walks among us. I left him a visitor message. Maybe you think Ken was dumb or naive for paying gift but he still doesn't deserve to get ripped off and the thief still doesn't deserve a pass.




Marko3 said:
Well we still have a filthy pig thief among us to deal with .. Never a good thing . It could be any one of us this happened to. As far as the moral high ground regarding Pay Pal it is what it is . You could argue that a lot of us are friends , in a strange way maybe but I have a few online friends I trade with often with the friends and family tab.

Still would be nice to flush this fool out and get the OP his goods . He has freely admitted he made a poor choice in payment but he still deserves what he paid for.

Good luck
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The douche will be dealt with, but in reality complaining you got robbed despite leaving your front door unlocked with a sign saying "no one home" should not be rewarded. It is never too late to grow some common sense antenna. Maybe some day huh?
 
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After all, "gift" is cheating if you were actually intending to pay for goods or services. I don't mind paying paypal their fair share. Often times sellers will increase the asking price if I do this. They want us to lie and call it a gift. Oh well, it's a small amount to pay for trying to honest most of the time. I mean nothing personal by this post. I'm far from perfect. RHW
 
TOMBSTONE said:
...Same goes for if you want insurance on your package it will cost you more, uhmmm no like it will cost more for you the seller if my package gets stolen or lost so good luck with that lol.
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Actually I read that is is against PayPal rules to charge the buyer for insurance as well and that it is the buyers responsibility to pay for insurance.

People selling on PayPal are responsible for the fees as well as the insurance.

BF might think about pulling ads requiring buyers to pay for insurance, fees or send as gift when using PayPal....not doing so they are supporting and enabling sellers who try to skirt the rules.
 
AVigil said:
Actually I read that is is against PayPal rules to charge the buyer for insurance as well and that it is the buyers responsibility to pay for insurance.

People selling on PayPal are responsible for the fees as well as the insurance.

BF might think about pulling ads requiring buyers to pay for insurance, fees or send as gift when using PayPal....not doing so they are supporting and enabling sellers who try to skirt the rules.
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I think it's impossible for the mods to police every single listing put up in all the different exchanges on this forum.
We as buyers need to purchase from members who are straight forward with their listings, and are in line with what we as individuals expect in a transaction.
Policing yourself is the best way to make sure you get what you think you are paying for, and that you actually get it....
 
BP Green said:
Agreed 100%. People get so wrapped up in the PP issue that they lose sight of the fact that the seller is a thieving douche who still walks among us. I left him a visitor message. Maybe you think Ken was dumb or naive for paying gift but he still doesn't deserve to get ripped off and the thief still doesn't deserve a pass.
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Agreed. However for every idiot that joins BF to commit fraud against another member, they need to find a member who is (sorry for the lack of a better word) stupid enough to get taken by the con. One does not exist without the other.

The best way to get rid of these guys is to use the various tools that are so readily available to us so we don't get scammed.
That starts and ends with PayPal, and using it the way it was intended.
 
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