New Alox SAK hunter pro

Are we talking about pliers based multi-tools, watches, travel gear, or fragrances?
Good argument to be made that Victorinox's primary expertise is branding and marketing.

NO, just no. The price / value combination offered by Victorinox is hard to rival. I would even say their finish is second to none in this market (I'm only talking folders / multitools here). Now, you don't need to like their products and, personally, while it looks good, I'm not excited by this one (saber / scandi grind, oval "spydie hole"...). Meh. But it looks dang nice !
 
A red one is coming and strangely it doesn't have a "spidey hole".
https://www.victorinox.com/de/en/Pr...rge-Pocket-Knives/Hunter-Pro-Alox/p/0.9415.20
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NO, just no.

Can you think of any other knife company that has diversified into luggage and perfume?

Victorinox is a branding based consumer product company.

The price / value combination offered by Victorinox is hard to rival.

This Hunter Pro costs what? About $90 US and for that you get pinned construction and Victorinox's soft (56RC) steel?

Heck, you can get a basic Buck Spitfire with similar steel but better heat treat for less than $40 and you can get one with S30V steel for less than $60. Honestly, I'm not seeing any "value" on this Victorinox knife. Just a price inflated by the brand name. Great example of premium pricing strategy, as it in must be good because it's expensive.

I would even say their finish is second to none in this market (I'm only talking folders / multitools here).

Good marketers and product managers will recognize "fit and finish" as a feature that helps with the product demo/evaluation phase of the sales cycle. Victorinox tools look awesome because they are shiny and super polished. In practice however, the over-polished tools have rounded edges and as a result, their screw-drivers are more likely to strip screws. IMO, they are the Buick of the knife world. Pretty, but still a Chevy.

I'll still stick with Buck and Leatherman.
 
Get it a better steel, as has been noted; does not need to be a high end steel, and bring the price down to a more competitive price, and it could have a potential following. As far as right now, looks like it will be looked at, studied, and then passed by. I like the overall shape of it, but steel is too soft. Would AEBL be a good alternative or is that too pricey? Maybe 154 CM?
 
Get it a better steel, as has been noted; does not need to be a high end steel, and bring the price down to a more competitive price, and it could have a potential following. As far as right now, looks like it will be looked at, studied, and then passed by. I like the overall shape of it, but steel is too soft. Would AEBL be a good alternative or is that too pricey? Maybe 154 CM?
aeb-l done right would be a great steel choice. pricey or not.
 
This Hunter Pro costs what? About $90 US and for that you get pinned construction and Victorinox's soft (56RC) steel?

Heck, you can get a basic Buck Spitfire with similar steel but better heat treat for less than $40 and you can get one with S30V steel for less than $60. Honestly, I'm not seeing any "value" on this Victorinox knife. Just a price inflated by the brand name. Great example of premium pricing strategy, as it in must be good because it's expensive.

The problem with your argument is that you argue on one hand how diverse their product line is, and the base your opinion of poor value proposition on ONE example. An example which, even fans of Vic such as myself, freely admit is out of whack. They missed the mark here. But that doesn’t reflect the rest of the product line.

Tell me where else you can get the reliably flawless execution of a Cadet, Pioneer, or Farmer for $30-$40?

Vic was only able to branch out into clothing, luggage, etc... because they had already internationally established a well deserved and hard earned reputation for quality for their knives/MTs. They became a household name that even non-knife people know. Had they not done that first, the other branded products would not be able to exist.
 
Before the Spyderco patent expired, I would have reacted to the hole in the blade for easy opening. But all of the one-hand Vics have the hole. At this point, the hole is not an issue for me on any knife. It is a very functional design to open a blade. I feel sure that this Vic is very functional. But I have other knives for hunting or fishing chores. I prefer having a few Vic tools on my Vics. I would like to see a smaller vic with the one-handed opening design.

On the alox Hunter model, I have looked at the Vic hunter models. The price generally scared me away. They are too large for pocket carry and I don't want to carry a Vic in a belt pouch/sheath like a Buck 110. (I don't even want to carry a 110 or similar knife in a belt pouch any more.) I'll carry a fixed blade if I want belt carry.

I keep the three layer One Handed Trekker in my day pack on longer hikes, primarily for the saw blade as I will at least have one other knife with me. I have on occasion used the saw blade for doing some "trimming" around a plant I might be trying to take a picture of in the woods or to remove a pesky limb that is in the way. I often will have a small pruning shears with me for this purpose when my woods wandering purpose is seeking and photographing plants. This happens primarily in the Spring time for me when the more delicate wild flowers are popping up.

The Vic brand is very recognizable to me. I will almost always pay a little more for something made by Victorinox over a non-name brand for products other than knives.
 
I see so many shades of wrong in your answer that I will take the time to answer it point by point, although I'm not a Victorinox fan by far :
Can you think of any other knife company that has diversified into luggage and perfume? Victorinox is a branding based consumer product company.]
What's wrong about diversifying ? Many companies do that to secure or increase income. You sound as if Victorinox was a luggage / perfume company diversifying into pocket knives. It's the opposite : Victorinox tries to diversify into luxury products because in the first place (and for almost a century) they built up a huge reputation for high quality pocket knives at a very reasonable price. Consider their whole offering and don't get obsessed with this Hunter model. You saying it's only a branding operation is beyond ridiculous. You push aside a century of experience in pocket knife production and a consistent increase in quality over this period of time.

[pinnah : This Hunter Pro costs what? About $90 US and for that you get pinned construction and Victorinox's soft (56RC) steel?] Yes, I wouldn't buy it either but mostly because of the low scandi grind. This looks stupid to me (going with the bushcraft trend ? If I need such a strong blade I will use a fixed (and much thinner) blade. More versatile and better use, but that's just me. Now, pinned construction ? Really ? You realize very expensive (and much higher quality than Victorinox) traditionals are still pinned construction ? Now, soft steel... I don't believe 420HC can be run at much higher hardness, whatever the heat treat. A little bit maybe, but not worlds apart.

[pinnah : Heck, you can get a basic Buck Spitfire with similar steel but better heat treat for less than $40 and you can get one with S30V steel for less than $60. Honestly, I'm not seeing any "value" on this Victorinox knife. Just a price inflated by the brand name. Great example of premium pricing strategy, as it in must be good because it's expensive.]
S30V is not a better steel, it's a different steel with longer lasting cutting edge abilities. 420HC is soft but easy to get a fine razor edge on and its edge holding ability is plenty enough for a folder. I got lots of Case folders and a Buck and a Condor (fixed blades) in 420HC : I like these knives and their steel. You see no value in Victorinox ? The "value" here would be the fit & finish and maybe the lifelong warranty. Does Victorinox bank on its reputation ? Probably, as does any brand which has managed to build up a name. I lusted after their 100th anniversary Army Knife but couldn't believe the price. It was beyond ridiculous. Must be good because it's expensive ? Victorinox is no example for that : almost all their products are sold at a very low price considering their quality (and the diversity of the offer).
[pinnah : Good marketers and product managers will recognize "fit and finish" as a feature that helps with the product demo/evaluation phase of the sales cycle. Victorinox tools look awesome because they are shiny and super polished. In practice however, the over-polished tools have rounded edges and as a result, their screw-drivers are more likely to strip screws. IMO, they are the Buick of the knife world. Pretty, but still a Chevy.]

Again, no ! Fit & finish shows the care a brand puts into delivering a high-end product. Victorinox knives and tools maybe shiny and polished but they are tight, clean and with no play. And their pinned construction lasts for decades... So, while they look good, they perform even better. Screwdrivers ? You might have a point but I don't care much about them : in a car emergency I've always found a multitool (whatever brand) to be too bulky to fiddle around an engine. Much better to have a little toolbox in the trunk with the relevant tools. In some rare situations where I had to tighten or loosen a screw or nut, and had only the Super Champion at hand, it turned out to do the job. No slipping / stripping due to the high polish. But I may be biased : I always liked Facom and Snap-On tools... Talk about high polish ! You seem to reduce Fit & Finish to a marketing asset. That's pretty silly.

You don't like this Hunter ? Don't buy it. I won't either. But don't rationalize your point with a structured argument that eventually just boils down to a general dislike and hate of the whole brand. Try their perfumes, perhaps ? They might win you over !
 
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I read a few reports of up and down play with the regular model. I wonder if that has been addressed with this new one?
Hi! I retrieved that old thread due to the fact I am searching for information about Hunter Pro. I am going to order one (with polyamide/rubber handles) and I would like to know if you know anything about the theme of "up and down play".... If you know something new (if the company fixed the problem etc.) please let me know. Thank you!
 
Hi! I retrieved that old thread due to the fact I am searching for information about Hunter Pro. I am going to order one (with polyamide/rubber handles) and I would like to know if you know anything about the theme of "up and down play".... If you know something new (if the company fixed the problem etc.) please let me know. Thank you!
I have 2 Hunter Pros, one with the black polyamide handle and another in silver alox. Neither have any “up and down” play. If memory serves, that problem was very early on when the model was first released by Victorinox.
 
Hi! I retrieved that old thread due to the fact I am searching for information about Hunter Pro. I am going to order one (with polyamide/rubber handles) and I would like to know if you know anything about the theme of "up and down play".... If you know something new (if the company fixed the problem etc.) please let me know. Thank you!
Sorry, I don't have any more info. I never wound up getting one.
 
I am a knife idiot in many ways: How is this not a Spyderco knife rebadged?

Who actually makes these knives?
 
I am a knife idiot in many ways: How is this not a Spyderco knife rebadged?

Who actually makes these knives?
How is it a Spyderco rebadged? Why do you doubt they Victorinox makes it?

Can you show me any Spyderco with an opening hole the same shape? Naw. Anyone who recognizes a Spydie hole should also recognize a non-Spydie hole. If it ain't a perfect circle it isn't the Spydie hole.

The knife looks fine, just not for the price. For $100 I need better steel, just on principle. At least for a plain looking, utilitarian blade. If there are fancy handle materials or a more unique design then I MIGHT consider the steel acceptable but not for alox scales and a generic design. Not bad, just generic.
 
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I love alox but that's just a gimmick to me. Like others have said it should have other blades. It's an unremarkable entry in that niche. I'd rather get a used Cold Steel Recon 1 for my $100.
 
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