New Aussie dealer

No offence but this is at least the second thread you personally have created about this site not to mention several others created by other people (or at least other user IDs). We're well aware of the site. I might be off track but I suspect you're more than just a customer and this sort of behaviour just turns me off dealing with them.
 
No offence Apsilon? Sorry if I offended you princess by posting 2 threads (ignoring your inference that Ive used other pseudonyms as well) about the same topic. I am not affiliated in any way to Elite Steel, just stumbled across it, noticed the good prices and thought I'd pass on and share what I found. Do people who mention their fondness of other products more than once receive the same reply from you?:jerkit:

Dan
 
I am one of the driving forces behind "this Elite Steel", and as far as finding out more information, why not visit the site and the forums and say g'day, everyone with an open mind is welcome.


As far as the insinuation of spamming goes, I've made 1 post to this forum regarding a GENUINE promotional knife giveaway last week. Apart from this, I've made no posts at all to this forum nor this website at all. In regards to your "being put off" by a few posts from unknown sources, do you apply the same level of ethics to television, newspaper and radio?? - for that matter, can you honestly state that you have never taken part in a promotional activity that in some way promotes the goods and services of others?


I suggest you visit the forums and take a look at the conditions of this promotional competition prior to voicing your suspicions about the "ethics" or motives of other posters on this forum. Furthermore, have you ever made a post that mentioned another knife trader or a certain product? this is an indirect method of adverstising in it it's own right and regardless of the subtlety behind it could also be construed as a promotional ploy. Ever responded to a post by providing a link to a product or sales outlet in an effort to be "more helpful"?? perhaps also a promotional ploy?


Those that are genuinely interested in being part of a growing little part of the Australian knife sector will be welcomed with open arms, those that are on a mission to flame us, will not.


Forgive me if I've offended any of you - I just think that the sharing of knowledge and resources that make our hobby less expensive and more equitable for all concerned should be our right, not a privelege cornered by a certain sector of the market. After all, it's about the blades isnt it? not who sells them.

Regards
 
Coagulation, You have taken on a name that is close to Peter Jensens Elite Blades who according to quite a few unhappy knife users, is not honouring his side of business deals and giving the Australian Knife industry a bad name overseas, and here, which will make it harder for aspiring knifemakers to get into overseas markets. If you have nothing to do with this person let it be known otherwise you may find it hard to do business with collectors and users.
 
bailes said:
No offence Apsilon? Sorry if I offended you princess by posting 2 threads (ignoring your inference that Ive used other pseudonyms as well) about the same topic. I am not affiliated in any way to Elite Steel, just stumbled across it, noticed the good prices and thought I'd pass on and share what I found. Do people who mention their fondness of other products more than once receive the same reply from you?:jerkit:

Dan
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So we'll just resort to name calling then shall we?

FWIW it's the typical spammer pattern that got my attention. A number of new users show up and start posting multiple threads about a "great new site". As a moderator on a few forums it's a pattern I see all too often. If that's not the case here then great but take a step back and have a look at how it appears to a third party (and I can assure you I'm not the only one who had that line of thought as 3 people contacted me offsite) and you might see my point.

Coagulation, again see my explanation above and you may understand where I'm coming from. Coincdences happen and that may be the case here but in my experiences (given it's part of my daily job) when something looks likes and smells like spam, more often it is than not. You have your own forums now. If they take off you'll soon see how common it is.

As for visiting your forums I did attempt to do just that after the first post about the site was made a few weeks back but they're not readable unless you register so I couldn't tell if it was of any interest to me or not and so didn't bother. Perhaps you'd like to consider making them readable without having to register and requiring registration for posting only?

So there's my reasoning FWIW. Wasn't intended to offend anyone (although obviously has), just to point out that if it was spam, we're not interested.
 
Surely after you investigated the 3 "suspicious" threads you realised that it wasnt spam and was in fact a legitimate fledgling website. You thought I was acting as if I had an interest other than custom and spamming - I thought you were acting like a princess........FWIW.
 
I had a look and they have some interesting knives, but I don't think I would deal with a place that has a minimum order of $200 or $300.
I dont like anyone telling me how much I have to spend if I want to deal with them.
Also there is no mention of shipping and handling costs that might be a hidden sting.
I'm also a bit suspicious of a website that has no real world addresses or contact numbers on it.
Has anyone ever bought anything off them ?
Regards
Pinpoint
 
Just standing back from all this, may I offer a word of advice to any dealers who read this forum?

I am one of many, many people who will never deal with an online shop that:
a. does not show clear and unambiguous postage and handling costs, and b. does not have a "real world" address and phone number.

Once bitten, twice shy.
 
"My wanker alarm just went off"

Wake up then.

I have bought a number of knives from the website with no problems whatsoever and although it isnt stated all post is done via registered mail. I assume to eliminate the problem of things getting lost or stolen (and customer dishonesty in some cases).

I must admit that the $200 limit for some may be excessive but as far as anyone telling you ho much to spend with them - every shop does that when they price their cheapest item, I overcame it by waiting until the total I wanted exceeded $200 which is well facilitated by the site saving your cart to your profile (and made deliveries so much more exciting!!)

As for a real world address http://www.elitesteel.net/index.php?main_page=page_4 what more do you want? A street number perhaps?

Once again I want to make clear that I have no affiliation or business interest in Elitesteel - I dont care where or for how much you buy your knives - I just dont like seeing a new comer slaughtered instead of constructive advice offered as BlueyM did.
 
By completing the checkout process at Elite Steel you are making a legal declaration that you agree to waive all rights to any legal, financial or physical damages compensation entitlement incurred as a result from purchasing ANY ITEM from this website.

Hmmmm.
Nice site and very good range of products but dont like the 200 dollar thing. And lack of postage costs info. As above.

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And btw bailes you're just trying to do that competition (referring max number of people to the site). Don't do it here. (No really: dont.)
 
bailes said:
what more do you want? A street number perhaps?
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Yep….and a name and some indication that you are here to participate in our mutual love of knives and not to blatantly promote some flashy website which is quite obviously just a re-seller.

We are quite protective of our little space here and the regulars here are all good blokes. You react by insulting the first bloke who questions your motives, which makes me think you are not.

Hype only works with un-discerning customers mate.
 
Hype?

Heaven forbid i invade your "little space" with 2 posts on the same topic!!

Too easy, next time Ill skirt around it with indirect inferences. Oh and ill make sure I start the post with "no offence".

Inspira - you may notice that my first post about the site was well before the competition and if you look a bit harder I have never asked any of you to drop my name if you register, hence you registering being of no benefit to me.

I too have a love for knives and the 2 posts that I have made in reference to the site were purely to share my newly found knowledge of an Australian dealer who can get a large array of knives that I had never previously seen made available by anyone else in the country.

Regardless of what you think of the minimum buy or shipping/insurance conditions associated with the site I think you would all agree that there are a shedload of knives on the site that havent previously been available unless you deal directly with the guys in the states. Which I reckon is a huge pain in the arse considering customs, consignment tracking etc and usually its going to cost you more than $200 anyway.

When I posted what I did I didnt envisage it coming to this. Im not defending the website just myself from the accusations that are being levelled at me - if anyone thought I was spamming I wasnt, trying to benefit? No. Just posting another link for fellow knife enthusiasts.
 
Dude you are so transparent :D

If you are going to try and fool people, at least do it with some finesse.....
 
"Shipping

Australian orders will take approximately 14 - 16 working days for delivery.

Warranty Issues are to be taken up directly with the manufacturer, not Elite Steel. Buyers are required to complete the warranty card found in the item packaging and return it TO THE MANUFACTURER - - not Elite Steel. Freight costs for warranty returns to the Manufacturer are the responsibility of the buyer and are non-refundable."

Nothing too flash about the above from their site - 14 - 16 working days for delivery considering you can buy from several US on line stores like New Graham a lot cheaper and will receive the goods within 5 working days. Elites return and Warranty conditions are also not on par.

They would have to do much better than this to receive my business in a globally competitive market.
 
Ming I really do not understand exactly what it is you think I was trying to do. If I was trying to fool someone I might consider finesse as it is what Ive written is what I meant.
 
Ahhh it was bound to happen.

Ok let me address a few issues so we can be clear on at least the fundamental operating process of Elite Steel:

1- Lack of a phone number - yes, definitely, at least until I have time to set up a service that I could relaibly answer. I wish I could afford to make knife trading a full time business, I also work a day job and having someone contact me at a bad time is probably worse for business than just havng the 4 methods of communication clearly stated on the website available.

2- Shipping and handling costs - CLEARLY STATED IN THE SHOPPING cart, the cart also runs a script that allows for weight and registered mail costs, and no, you dont have to buy anything to receive automatically genereated shipping costs. Damn, I ;ll have to start shopping at the same place you guys do with a flat shipping rate - is that like $12US for 1 pound or 100 pounds?

3- $200 Limit?? lol and you class yourselves as collectors?? hahahah
Ooops sorry - I'll rephrase that - The $200 limit is directly in line with item pricing, if you can find another seller of knives on the Australian market that offers the same prices for a smaller min order - please email me, I'll close the store immediately and start buying from them.

4- Warranty returns
Mmmm really showing our depth (or lack of) of experience now aren't we.
Choose the top 10 knife resellers on the International market.
Send an email to each asking about their returns policies and if they offer inservice warranty conditions or RTM (return to manufacturer). Also ask who pays for the freight, I think the sellers you are so rigidly praising might surprise you with this one.
Now post the results here. If less than half of that list of 10 offers different terms to Elite Steel, I will post an apology. The only difference is that my terms are UP FRONT

5- Regarding access to the ES forums requiring registration, yes, it's basically just a way to see who comes and goes into the forums section - I had anticipated a farily negative response from the Australian knife community, oh and you all proved me so wrong. I basically wanted a way to ban flamers, this could only be done through IP tracking of regisitered forum users.


6. Delivery Terms of 14-16 days - Closer to 7 days on Global Priority, the additonal time is to allow for hold ups, again - up front and in your face on the shipping info pages.

In regards to me personally, I'm an avid collector - have been for more than 12 years. I served for several years in the NZ defence forces and came to Australia when I was 25. Now involved in contract security in the Brisbane area and as a sideline, run a small imports/exports business - including Elite Steel.

Ming65 - Regarding your wanker alert. yep i know how you feel mate, mine goes off constantly - at least it's something that you can switch off. Unfortunately, tunnel vision syndrome is not.
 
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