New camera and lights

Evolute, you wrote:
...it is, again, simply a matter of the photographer's expressive intent.
Thank you for stating the obvious. I am certainly guilty of derailing this thread in this respect.

Each photographer indeed has their own preferences. Some like to mix firearms and knives, and sometimes gear, too. My preference is toward simplicity, to showcase only the knife or firearm. I also have a preference for background, and tend to shy away from dark backgrounds. Sharpness is important to me, so my preference is for greater depth-of-field. Again, it's all about preference, and the expressive intent of the photographer.

I consider myself to be my greatest critique. On my Wallpaper Pages I explicitly indicate the date on which the photos were taken, mainly so that I can keep track of the vintage of the photos, with the intent to see an improvement over time. Sometimes it is one step backward, but in the end I strive for steps forward.

I look forward to seeing more of Chuck's photos, both here and on his web site. In my opinion, his photos are well above average.
 
Lunde,

Since we live relatively near each other, and we have Busses and photography in common, we ought to meet up, some time. 831-325-6917.

By the way, I bet we have some buds in common, since some of my good friends are at (or have been, in the past) at Adobe, such as Marc and Z (Zalman).
 
Yes lunde and even SharpByCorp did not use direct light to expose side of the object. I point this out again and again and it is easy to fix.

However as a replay I have someone like you attacking me - "How dare am I to challenge such a highly qualified photographers" etc. Why can not I? This is obvious mistake and easy to fix. If I am wrong somehow - why not to tell me where I am wrong?

But I will not accept this ignorant and arrogant tone of you - like who am I to even talk about this in the presence of such high experts.

So you eather change you tone or I will have to put you in my ignore list.

Thanks, Vassili.

Vassili, I find it amazing that you can tell someone to stop their arrogant tone towards you in the same post where you have the nerve to say that a professional knife photographer (Coop) repeatedly makes a "mistake" that you think he should fix. That, sir, is the height of arrogance. I tend to believe that Coop knows exactly what he is doing, and if he didn't keep his paying customers happy, he would not continue to get business.
 
I am just shaking my head in dismay as I read this thread.

There is no such thing as lighting which qualifies as "best" or "lesser", or "correct" or a "mistake", except insofar as it congrues or does not congrue with the photographer's communicative intent (which is unknown to the rest of us, at the moment). There are no apertures which are useless for macro photography, and wide apertures are often desired; it is, again, simply a matter of the photographer's expressive intent.

There are no rules, only tools to use for an informed choice.
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Thank you. :)
I'm glad to see that the artistic expression aspect has been voiced. :thumbup: :thumbup:

And... nice pics Chuddy Bear... thanks for sharing.
 
Evolute, you wrote:
Since we live relatively near each other, and we have Busses and photography in common, we ought to meet up, some time. 831-325-6917.
That sounds like a plan. I live and work in San Jose. If you are ever in downtown San Jose, give me a call: 408-536-3866.

By the way, I bet we have some buds in common, since some of my good friends are at (or have been, in the past) at Adobe, such as Marc and Z (Zalman).
I don't know Zalman, though Adobe has become very big. His location suggests that he came to Adobe through the merger with Macromedia.

When I joined over sixteen years ago, our worldwide headcount was 500 or so, and we were headquartered in Mountain View, with a half-dozen smaller satellite offices, mainly for sales. Now our headcount is over 6,000. I do know several Marcs, so I am not sure to which one you are referring.

BTW, I checked out your website. I must say that they are outstanding photos!
 
Lunde,

Z was with Adobe long ago, then left for other projects, and eventually came back when he got an offer he couldn't refuse. Yes, his last job before he came back was at Macromedia.

The Marc I'm referring to is Marc Pawliger.

I'll give you a call, after my laryngitis is over.

Thank you for your compliments about my photos. I have a lot more, and a lot better, but not on that website, currently. I need to do a website update and revision. I can show you some of my work in person, and you can also see more of my stuff, here:

http://flickr.com/photos/57203173@N00/

I hope you enjoy.
 
I definitely know who Marc Pawliger is. He was a Product Manager for Photoshop, if memory serves. Our paths did cross from time to time. In fact, he was one of the early participants of the Adobe Shooters League, which I founded in September of 2000, and still captain to this day. Anyway, Marc is no longer at Adobe.

I also know many people who had left Adobe only to return. I guess the grass is not always greener on the other side. Adobe has been very good to me. Although I have basically done the same thing for all 16+ years here, there are always new challenges. Those 16+ years give me something that cannot be easily measured, specifically a unique historical perspective for my area of expertise.
 
Good for you, founding the Adobe Shooter's League. Adobe needed for its staff to have more practical experience of using their products, from a photographer perspective. I helped Marc and Z and some other Adobe folks learn photography, also.

Yes, I'm aware that Marc is now at Google.

I think the grass was plenty green, where Z went. Still, you take good new opportunities, where they arise. Once one sells one's start-up, it's time for another project.

By the way, I appreciate the work that you folks at Adobe do for me. Thanks.
 
Vassili, I find it amazing that you can tell someone to stop their arrogant tone towards you in the same post where you have the nerve to say that a professional knife photographer (Coop) repeatedly makes a "mistake" that you think he should fix. That, sir, is the height of arrogance. I tend to believe that Coop knows exactly what he is doing, and if he didn't keep his paying customers happy, he would not continue to get business.

Well for me it is not matter of believe or business. I know what I am talking about and I talk about this in details explaining everything - I learn it and I tried it. If somehow I damage you believe - sorry, I did not mean it - I just talk about lighting in photography in this case. I do not want start religious wars here at all.

May be this is cultural difference, but I do not believe so easy (if you survive communist superpower collapse you may develop same skill I guess) - I need to know it for myself. Sometimes I may make discovery which does not really comply with common believes and usually it makes majority of believers angry - is it lighting set up or edge retention for different steels or sharpening etc. But sorry - I can do nothing about this, I need to know it by myself.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
your all wrong. :grumpy::thumbdn::grumpy::grumpy::grumpy::grumpy:


OBVIOUSLY it is better to light the oblique side with a gold reflector
to induce a warm tonality due to the blue backround. DUH:barf:

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this is a weird thread...

my opinions on some of the technical stuff put forth here (from a users perspective, not a professionals) -

bouncing a flash can diffuse an otherwise hard light as well as double up the area that the flash is effecting, minimizing the required equipment to functionally light an item. by bouncing light off of 2 or 3 reflectors you can create the light conditions of having 2 or 3 extra diffused lights, but at much less cost. by being able to change the color of your reflector (silver, gold, white), you can also cheaply add warmth or coolness to your image without having to purchase a costlier gel fill for your light. and you would either need to rig up a holder, or purchase a light that is specifically able to hold a gel in the first place.

light leveling can only be as useful as the dynamic range and present shadow/highlight information in a given digital image. if there are area's of shadow that have no information in them, or so little information that either detail is lost or digital artifacting and grain are the only present detail - then the shadow portion of "levels" is of absolutely no use to saving this area. same goes for blown out highlights. light leveling can help to normalize the overall light levels from image to image, but saturation will have to be taken into account as well, as pushing up the light levels will generally give the image a slightly over saturated look. I have found that if there are dark area's of a digital image (consumer range compact), there will be noticable grain it, or artifacts. this makes light leveling up truly dark areas, even where detail is present difficult.


and now that I see that there was a light box used, you would either need a brighter background to help reflect light as a bounce would, have an additional light on the back side (if thats what you wanted), or reposition the available lights to light the back side more evenly with the front side.


as far as aperture - it is dependent on the camera you are using, the shooting conditions (low light, tripod), the angle of the camera to the object (including object length), and the shooting distance. if you shoot something at an acute angle, even f/9 may appear to be a short depth of field with the front and back bokeh'd or at least out of focus. if your right up on the thing (3 inches away), even f/32 might not get everything in focus, because the closer you are to an object the shorter your depth of field gets for any given aperture. if your shooting from 30 feet away - f/1.0 may get the entire thing in focus, because the farther away you get the longer your depth of field gets for any given aperture.

if you are shooting from a tripod, you can pick and choose your apertures - as long as you are shooting from a remote. if you are pressing the button by hand, you may need shutter speed over aperture size because you shake the camera imperceptible, but it is visually seen in the image. if your hand holding your camera - you may need as large of an aperture size as possible to reduce hand shake, even in a well lit room. at iso 100, even in a well lit room (without a flash), your shutter speeds will probably be sub 1/100. I love small apertures. I ONLY use large apertures when I'm doing product photography where detail is more important then overall feeling. or in large groups of people where I need to see front and back.



SO. ya. lots of technical info, and for what? probably nothing. like evolute said - the only thing that matters is what your trying to make or convey. maybe you want lunde style product photography that has every detail from front to back to be boldly clearly presented,

or maybe you want one single aspect to be shown, such as -
http://flickr.com/photos/8892472@N03/982149993/in/set-72157601162741520/

or maybe you just wanna show people your stuff and are tired of snap shots. in this case, 80% of everything that I said above is superfluous information.

I used a reletively small aperture (I beleive f/10) to get the tip and the handle in focus on this next pic, but i intentionally kept the white balance warm and yellow because i liked how the camera saw it better then how I saw it. reality was not as pretty, it had blue highlights from a cloudy sky, and green at the edges of the desk from a reflected cork board cover. And I left in heavy shadows and did not attempt to use fill lighting because that would have looked dumb (to me), and would have disrupted the otherwise very pretty and even lighting.

http://flickr.com/photos/8892472@N03/982545656/in/set-72157601162741520/


for me, my only suggestion would be to try different backrounds and see what they look like. not a critisism of the photographs, just a nudge to explore with your camera. experimentation is what gets people to a deep understanding of what there cameras can and can't do, as well as what they like and don't like.

(i tend to dislike blue in images and try to white balance on the warm side- the exact opposite of helmut newton who loves blue)... my brother hates red in photography (white balance, not necessarily objects)...




so no one has asked this yet, which is kinda the crux of the whole argument:

is there anything you want see different in your own photographs chuddy bear? seeing as how there are 10 ways to solve any photographic problem, you'll get a lot of different answers by posting your opinions/desires, though you'll probably get easier to follow instruction by calling evolute or lunde.
 
DON'T BE A TURKEY ;)



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DON'T BE A TURKEY ;)



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if it weren't for the head, that would be a beautiful bird...

also, they should have added a light under it's breast so you could see the feathers there better. and maybe a spotlight on its back where the feathers are all black. and the megapixel count on that image is atrocious, it should be linked to a 12mp image at least.
 
My daughter is ecstatic that next week is Turkey Day... :thumbup::thumbup:

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I owe Chuck and my peers here an apology for running off at the mouth in another mans thread. My intent wasn't really to tell anyone how they should shoot pics. My pics since I've been here are from a point and shoot, and not a good example of my days as an in house studio photographer. I felt that some comments made about others methods and skills were abrasive and that always gets my fur up. Of course the comments as to artistry and visual communication are a better example of what needed to be said. Thanks for that.

And Chuck, you know how I feel about your work. Keep on keepin' on Bro!
 
Ok, after reading (most of) this thread, LOL, I'm just gonna say...

Nice pix, Chuddy Bear, especially for a first attempt using a new cameras & lighting setup. I'm sure that anything that ya wish to improve concerning your pix, you'll easily be able to do that from this point. :thumbup::thumbup: Maybe I missed this... But what is your new camera? :confused::D

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