New Cleaver and Carbon Fiber Bucks

rje58 said:
The new Buck flippers have arrived at retailers... thought about checking them out until I saw the steel is 7Cr. A non-starter for me. I'm not a steel snob, either, but you have to draw the line SOMEWHERE. And for me, nothing lower than 8Cr13Mov and AUS8.

I know this thread is three months old, but I've been waiting to comment until they were actually available.
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7cr is like 440a. which isn't too bad if heat treated properly. I imagine Bucks gonna want a decent heat treat on these. that steel doesn't scare me away...but prefer made in america....but for low cost market is what it is......
 
I know what 7Cr is, I know what 5Cr is that some companies are using now, I'm just saying that I personally don't go there for either one. As I mentioned in my first post, we all have to draw a line in the sand somewhere, and mine is 8Cr13Mov and AUS8. Of course I have some S90V, M390, 20CV, S35VN and other higher level steels, but we're talking about the minimum acceptable on the low end.

7Cr gives me a bad taste about Buck, and 5Cr gives me an even worse taste about Kershaw. I can't understand why they are not both embarassed to even sell knives in those steels. Are they trying to be the "next CRKT"? or the "next BudK"?

jbmonkey said:
7cr is like 440a. which isn't too bad if heat treated properly. I imagine Bucks gonna want a decent heat treat on these. that steel doesn't scare me away...but prefer made in america....but for low cost market is what it is......
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rje58 said:
I know what 7Cr is, I know what 5Cr is that some companies are using now, I'm just saying that I personally don't go there for either one. As I mentioned in my first post, we all have to draw a line in the sand somewhere, and mine is 8Cr13Mov and AUS8. Of course I have some S90V, M390, 20CV, S35VN and other higher level steels, but we're talking about the minimum acceptable on the low end.

7Cr gives me a bad taste about Buck, and 5Cr gives me an even worse taste about Kershaw. I can't understand why they are not both embarassed to even sell knives in those steels. Are they trying to be the "next CRKT"? or the "next BudK"?
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you know what it is but some here might not without doing some reading so I'm making it easier for those not familiar with Chinese steels, nothing more than that. likewise i added my personal opinion on the topic, is all.

aus8 is similar to 440b which you know already as well. id be hard pressed to tell the difference between well done 440a and 440b or aus6 and aus8 heat treated well myself. sure there is a difference, but I wouldn't notice it using and sharpening unless I knew. where we see, maybe better said..I see.....easy differences is when one is done very well and the other is done poorly.

in the end for their low cost imports for value driven market to me the steel doesnt scare me away as I like 440a if done well enough. I have old camillus 440a knives and they do well.

I dont own any of these Bucks yet so they maybe not be done well.....dont know yet.
 
I totally understand what you are saying, but just because there isn't a huge difference between two different levels, doesn't mean we shouldn't draw a line somewhere.

Most people probably couldn't tell the difference between BBB bonds and BB+ bonds, but the former are "investement grade" and the latter is not. A small difference? Probably - but they had to draw the line somewhere.
 
rje58 said:
I totally understand what you are saying, but just because there isn't a huge difference between two different levels, doesn't mean we shouldn't draw a line somewhere.

Most people probably couldn't tell the difference between BBB bonds and BB+ bonds, but the former are "investement grade" and the latter is not. A small difference? Probably - but they had to draw the line somewhere.
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these aren't really knives for me or you sounds like. I'll choose one of their American made folders over these myself. I'm open to many steels though. they may not be too bad, but until I play with one I wont know. chances are I'm not gonna try one though.....the steel alone wouldn't chase myself away....if done poorly then it would. what would chase me away is they don't really appeal to much and I can get a Buck American made folder for not much more money.
 
I have just purchased the 259 Haxby and I must admit for what I paid,I have a very nice knife. Real carbon fibre scales, not inlayed like some other budget knives, flipper action is smooth as butter, blade play is non existent when opened, and the blade is perfectly centered when closed. The lock up is very good as well. While it is no featherweight, it is noticeabley lighter than my RAT 1.
As for the steel, it's sharp and will stay that way with proper care and attention.
 
The cleaver style knife reminds me of an old navy rope knife as we might see over in the Traditional subforum. It has its uses for folks doing specific kinds of work, but I am sure this release is just to compete with Gerber and to offer an unusual looking blade that will grab the attention of consumers and drive them to the Buck brand. Brand loyalty is important and if Buck can poach consumers from the other companies (BM, Gerber, et al.) it's a win for them. They can't crank these out in the US and win that battle.
 
So, as long as the thread is awake again, does anyone who purchased one of these care to chime in and tell what they do or don't like about them? I know, China knife, but Buck threw it at the wall and I'm curious to know if it stuck (to really mess with an old saying)...
 
The 0259 Haxby has the size and shape that I find appealing. I just wish it was USA made with S35vn or similar steel. I’m just not into the country of origin , the price is low but I’d rather support the folks up in post falls.
 
Lesknife said:
The 0259 Haxby has the size and shape that I find appealing. I just wish it was USA made with S35vn or similar steel. I’m just not into the country of origin , the price is low but I’d rather support the folks up in post falls.
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What if it were made with S35VN in China?
 
Kind of interesting question........why are no premium steel knives from China offered in the Buck line?
 
RazGeez said:
Kind of interesting question........why are no premium steel knives from China offered in the Buck line?
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its been mentioned in the past here. Buck has the China made line to hit lower price points for box stores and dealers who need to compete products in those price range.

premium powdered steels in the near past weren't available in China. had to be shipped in at high expense. I believe bohler now, and maybe others, have facilities in China and doing premium powdered steels in China...anyways.....

upgraded powdered steels and materials Buck can do here and be competitive, and have been.
 
GPyro said:
oh no.
he said premium powdered steel.................

Sorry. I just couldn't leave it alone.
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Actually, my question made me remember a 440C China knife of some years back and now that I thought of it--I'm trying to start a thread on it but having trouble with the pictures.

It may show up yet.

(I consider 440C a premium steel.)

:)
 
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