New Composite Leek and JunkYard Dog II!

I think Nozh has something going there... but I think it might be cool just to have a plain old line with a constant distance from the edge, like a differentially heat-treated (not hamon) carbon blade.

As it is, it looks to me like Kershaw was trying to have the Leek look hamon-y, which would work better with LESS contrast, IMO.
 
nozh2002 said:
Geez... What kind of crap do you use for re-profiling? Try DMT Extra Extra Coarse D8XX.

Thanks, Vassili.
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Well it just so happens the "crap" I use is DMT's. And yes I have XX coarse
up to xx fine.

Thanks and have a Happy New Year!! :)
 
nozh2002 said:
It may be some difference, but it does not really too big to consider it as an issue and refuse to produce knives from good steel based on this.

Thanks, Vassili.
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I never said that there shouldn't " ever " be premium steels used, I just don't
think it would be great on the regular production runs for the average knife owner.
I myself would love to try one with S125V. I just think those upper end steels
would probably be better suited in sprint runs.
 
Vassilli, great ideas on the designs. They truly look good, it seems you have an eye for design ideas in addition to your sharpening skill. However, I like the Leek design the way it is, and I will try to articulate why. The randomness of the line, for lack of a better term, is a better indicator to me that 2 different metals were actually melded together as opposed to your designs, which would seem like 2 distinct pieces of metal stuck together at some point in the manufacturing process, therefore more likely to come apart at the line where they meet. I have absolutely no idea if that could in fact happen, it's just the way I would view it.
Again, I have nothing against your designs. In fact, I quite like them to the point where I would suggest getting into knifemaking or design yourself. You seem to have enough knowledge, and you certainly seem to know what you want. This way you could do everything you have suggested so far in this thread yourself.

Rik
 
svrider3 said:
Well it just so happens the "crap" I use is DMT's. And yes I have XX coarse
up to xx fine.

Thanks and have a Happy New Year!! :)
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Sorry, I tried to answer in same tone and it seems like I over-try a bit... Sorry.

Did you spent few night reprofiling ZDP with D8XX? Because I did same with ZDP and I do not remember exact time now, but it was below 30 min. And most time I spend on Busse with abut 58HRC, just because they have thick edge.

I never really sad anything bad about this design - my point is to judge copper line as decorative element you need more then only this particular pattern and with different ornament it may looks much better. So with different ornament CPM 154 + Sandvic 13C26 may look way better, and I think it worse to try, instead of limit it to CPM D2 as an only steel possible to make darker.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
Sorry, I tried to answer in same tone and it seems like I over-try a bit... Sorry.

Did you spent few night reprofiling ZDP with D8XX? Because I did same with ZDP and I do not remember exact time now, but it was below 30 min. And most time I spend on Busse with abut 58HRC, just because they have thick edge.


Thanks, Vassili.
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No sorries needed Vassili. All is well. Good discussions work things out.
I'm not sure about D8XX, I use the black coded xx stone when reprofiling.
I think it's 220 grit. Is the D8XX different?

Again, no problems. I respect you and your ideas. :thumbup:
 
svrider3 said:
No sorries needed Vassili. All is well. Good discussions work things out.
I'm not sure about D8XX, I use the black coded xx stone when reprofiling.
I think it's 220 grit. Is the D8XX different?

Again, no problems. I respect you and your ideas. :thumbup:
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DMT D8XX - Extra Extra Coarse is 120 grit, 120 micron - silver coded. I highly recommend it.

You have black coded D8X (or D11X) which is 220 grit, 60 microns.

I do not have Extra Coarse, I use in sequence D8XX - D11C - D11E.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
DMT D8XX - Extra Extra Coarse is 120 grit, 120 micron - silver coded. I highly recommend it.

You have black coded D8X (or D11X) which is 220 grit, 60 microns.

Thanks, Vassili.
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I guess that explains it. I'll have to see about the D8XX soon.
Thanks. :)
 
Vassili, thanks for the suggestion, and fine artwork.

We did go pretty conservative with the Leek, as there just wasn't enough real estate to get overly detailed or cute. The JYD II and Tyrade were quite different in what we had to work with.

Ken O. of course will be leaned on for his artistic talents.

As we move forward, I believe you will see more intricate and complex cutouts, and I'm sure that will eliminate the need for any contrast that today help in differentiating the two steels. Will be a lot of fun, and there should be some really fantastic composite blades both now and in the future.
 
I like what I see, some of the least expensive high end steel on the market.

I love the CPM D-2 on my Military, so these are going to be a treat.
On the subject of CPM D-2, I thought Crucible said they only did one small batch and never wanted to touch the stuff again? Thomas, did Cricible sort out the production issues or is this still from the batch you got last year?
 
JJ, Crucible has worked out the production with CPM-D2, and it will be readily available.
 
Normal D-2 has extremely large carbides. While this can be a good thing for certain applications it also has it's limitations, most notably it isn't good with a thin edge (just the way I like them).
The size of carbides in CPM D-2 is limited by the CPM process, so you get nice fine carbides plus a little boost in hardness and toughness.

I still think regular D-2 has it's place, but for the most part CPM D-2 is a nicer all around steel.
 
Joshua J. said:
Normal D-2 has extremely large carbides. While this can be a good thing for certain applications it also has it's limitations, most notably it isn't good with a thin edge (just the way I like them).
The size of carbides in CPM D-2 is limited by the CPM process, so you get nice fine carbides plus a little boost in hardness and toughness.

I still think regular D-2 has it's place, but for the most part CPM D-2 is a nicer all around steel.
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Thanks for the details JJ. Much appreciated. :thumbup:
 
I love the look of the comp leek and think the hamonish look was pulled of nicely without being to garish. When are these comming out?
 
Just bought a regular JYD II a month or two ago. I was pleased with it, but now it looks very...ordinary compared to the latest tour-de-force.

Very insidious of Kershaw to keep trotting out knives that are a delight to own, use and give. Keep it coming.
 
Lucky Bob said:
I think Nozh has something going there... but I think it might be cool just to have a plain old line with a constant distance from the edge, like a differentially heat-treated (not hamon) carbon blade.

As it is, it looks to me like Kershaw was trying to have the Leek look hamon-y, which would work better with LESS contrast, IMO.
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The problem with having just a straight line is that it would be much more likely to separate. I assume that patterns which interlock the two pieces of steel are best, but in general the more squiggly the pattern the better.
More squiggle = stronger bond in the same length, and the deeper the squiggle spikes into the blade the more resistant it will be to leveraging (twisting the blade in cardboard for example).
Ideally the separation line would zig-zag across most of the width of the blade, but you wouldn't be saving much steel at that point.

I'm sure Kershaw has found the ideal balance of strength and savings and is producing the best knife they can give us.
 
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