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Thanks JDS,

I pinch off a few stompy's every morning.

Jerry and I do have some issues and we have spoken about them. They really don't involve who had what design first. That is just a peripheral issue that is fun to discuss. The BF is widely known to harbor gangs of teenagers acheing to get into arguments.

About the grogan part.... I will be removing my recommendations for Busse's line from my videos by the end of the summer. Despite the quality of his product, we have too many customer complaints about his service issues. These complaints reflect poorly on our credibility and end up costing us money and time.

When The Busse Knife company has a service department, I will reinsert the information into the videos. We sell over 2,000 videos a month that recommend Busse blades over all others. We believe in his product, not his production.

Ron



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Ron,

I am sorry to hear that you will be pulling your endorsement of the Busse line from your videos. In my limited dealings with Jerry and his company, I have found him to be pleasant, sincere, and approachable. I root hard for small family-owned businesses and I have and will continue to pay a little extra and accept inconvenience to support such companies. However, I understand your position (as a small family businessman yourself) and the sometimes difficult choices that have to be made to protect your own interests. It is just a shame that a resolution has not presented itself. I think that your endorsement of Busse knives is a valuable asset to Jerry's company and I think his excellent knives are an asset to the survival and outdoor community. It's a loss for both of you and I think it reeks like Angus Grogan.

Jeff

Disappointed and willing to eat maggots if it will help.
 
Doc Ron and others:

Childish as childish does. Have you actually read what you wrote? Try reading it out loud to yourself.

It still sounds an awful lot like sour grapes to me. Sheesh!

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Thank you Jeff for injecting a large dose of common sense into a discussion that was deteriorating rapidly. I am no fan of the sophmoric exchanges that occur at times in our other various forums, but there's especially no place for them here within the Busse forum. I personally view this as sort of a home within a home. It's usually the first place I go and the one I enjoy most. I don't believe there's anything more of a positive nature that can be contributed at this point by we, the members of the peanut gallery.

If ever there were a more symbiotic relationship than the one that could exist between Jerry and Ron, I don't know what it would be. Jerry's knives are absolutely a perfect match to meet the needs of the Doc Rons of the world. Let's hope that Ron and Jerry can set their egos aside for a moment and come to a mutually beneficial agreement that will put this unfortunate episode to rest once and for all. Let's try and keep in perspective the problems we face in this country already. I mean Bill Clinton is our president for chrissake! In view of this sad reality, the thought of having Busse supporters and Doc Ron supporters at each other's throats is almost unbearable. Enough already.

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Shades of MadDog discussions... It's enough to make one stick to Randall's or production knives.
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Ron, I have no dog in this fight. But I have used the Busse Battle Mistress, and loaned them to professional friends to use, over more than just an acre or two of this world. That I have never heard of you, or watched any of your tapes, probably means I just don't get out enough...or maybe I get out too much
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Here is my view, for what it is worth, on the TOPS knife that is supposedly the newest competitor of the Busse line: GREAT!!! Competition of all types does nothing but serve as a sharpening stone, makes the edge all that more keen. Ultimately though, which would you rather have: A bullet-proof tool that takes too long to get, or more junk in your locker that got there real, real, quick?

Good luck dude.
 
Hi Straightblast...

It never was an issue of better knife, stronger knife or anything of the like. I own one of the first INFI BM prototypes. I broke the first blades for Tactical Knives magazine (Hey Cliff!
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) and wrote up the experience. Since then I've taken the thing to almost every conceivable locale. It is nuclear tough and it is the best I know. I have six BM's, two "Hoods" and a raft of other Busse blades in my safe for loan to my wilderness students. There is no other knife I'd loan to a student (Even more destructive than Cliff.... but they don't keep track)

The issue is not about the best knife here. It never was. The issue is about customer service and the price my company pays for it's support of the Busse line.

If some guy wants to call it ego... so be it. That guy isn't paying the bill. If it sounds childish, it probably is except for the cost to this child's company in customer relations and actual expense.

If this is the only way I can get through to the Busse knife company to get the customer relations problem fixed, it is the way I will take. I value Jerry's efforts much too much to sit back and allow his work to disappear as he result of.... whatever it is that is happening.

Perhaps some of the good folk on this forum remember when Jerry hired a PR/problem fixer. The world of knife lovers cheered. Something happened and things went South again.

Wait a year for a blade? SO what. I've waited longer for some. Tell a man the wait is six weeks... stretch it to a year and never send a postcard to identify order status.... that is dead wrong.

Sour grapes? Nah... just the beginning of a good wine.

Ron



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Doc Ron:

As with most spats this is one that begins with communication. Gotta tell you, initially your posts sounded like whines, your last post made good sense.

Life is a serious catch-22 at times. You start out in a business and you can't give your **** away, because no one knows us. Then, someone picks it up, likes it, talks about it, you start to get busy. The busier you get the busier you get. You struggle because you ate macaroni and cheese for so many years that when the money starts coming in, it just can't be shared. Then, you share it [hire help] and quality slips. Quality slips, customers go to the new young and hungry competitor and "give" him the same adoration...which leads to the same problems. Win, lose, win.... Life is a cycle, then we die, which simply starts the cycle over. Business is the same way.

I wish you luck. Just hope you make it work from a positive product, not negative comments.

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Ron, I hope you can appreciate that the underlying theme of my post is that we should all be on the same team. I'm not speaking out in condemnation of people with egos. Quite to the contrary, I'll maintain that there are very few great men in our history that didn't possess sizeable egos. But as with many things in life an ego can be a double edge sword. The same mechanism that gives us the self confidence to press on and persevere in times of indecision, can also cloud our judgement and lead us to cut off our noses to spite our face when we feel we have been wronged. I'm not suggesting that egos necessarily caused the situation at hand, but I'll stand behind my contention that they have hindered it's resolution.

It's not my place nor my intention to preach to either you or Jerry. I admire both of you for what you've been able to accomplish in life. My involvement here is nothing more than an earnest attempt to avoid fratricide in an industry I care about. Regardless of who wronged who how many times in the past, the bottom line is that you gents have two options available to you on May 2nd, 2000; either press on as you're doing, or get together and resolve this situation off-line. The point that folks like Jeff and myself are trying to make is that an honorable resolution will be ultimately beneficial to both sides.

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Thanks guys,

The process of communication on the internet relies on precise choice of words, clear thoughts and a reader who is willing to consume the post before jumping to conclusions.

We are all guilty of errors of choice at times. I have four forums to moderate, 50 plue emails a day and a bunch of other stuff (besides our video production business). Not whining, just explaining. None of us, Jerry included, has the time to get everything right the first time especially when they are set upon by junk yard dogs. You should have seen the post in my forum that started this....

We covered some serious issues here. I want Jerry to win out... you all know that. Many folks also now know that I am not going to act like their foil in fights with Jerry. I said my piece and Jerry said his (Whew!). I just wish he had exercised a bit more restraint.

Ron



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As that wise old Chinese man once said, "A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step".

Yours in nuclear olive branches,

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When I was much younger (I guess I'm still "childish" what with my sense of humor and all) I used to preface doing stupid stuff with the phrase "Hey, watch this" (Usually heard before injuring myself or others). The same thing has happened here. What started as a bit of a prank has evolved into an internet venting session. The main issue is not knife design and who did what first, that was just a "Hey, watch this" kind of thing. What appears to me to be the issue is one of service, honor, integrity, and perceived wrongs. There are obviously strong feelings on both teams and the rivalry, competition, egos, hurt feelings, whatever it is appears to have caused irreparable damage and the ballgame is over. I think both sides have valid grievances, and I hope they can come to an agreement, but ultimately I think the fans have lost.

Yours in surviving nuclear fallout,

Jeff

Bronco, I'm just a piddly former Army leg but Semper Fi right back atcha. You jarheads are the best.
 
Jeff,
Amen brother. Thanks for having the nads to try and get this thing turned around.

You may find it humorous to know that a favorite saying amongst Navy and Marine pilots, and a lesson I learned early on, is that the two most dangerous words in Naval Aviation are, "Watch this".

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