New, is it original Phrobis or build out?

My attitude as a collector (though I wouldn't entirely classify myself that way) is to bring on all of the factory build outs you want! Keep them coming!!
Why? It brings awareness to the item that might have become stale or even unknown and makes the originals even more desirable. For the folks who are looking for originals, the price may have just went up! The seller might have a beef with this, but the value increases, not decreases.
 
Your not picking up what I'm putting down! If there were NO "buildouts" we would not have this discussion. I saw the COA's for the knives CRAIGS 4727 is offering, the coa says 560's and there is not a 560 on any of the knives he has, they all have different blades and a dolphin. The coa is signed but are they original. The Topper is you Makael mentioning my last name for no reason was that fair to me? "Caveat emptor". Let the "BUYER BEWARE". I still haven't seen any knives 560 or 186 with different handles. I am just trying to put it out that it is possible you might not be getting what you think your getting even with a COA which is falsely worded. I expounded a few times and if you can't see my point. Then go buy Craigs knives since you'll buy any offered, Gedlicks for a fair market price. Oh yes see where the rest are at.
 
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MT_Pokt said:
My attitude as a collector (though I wouldn't entirely classify myself that way) is to bring on all of the factory build outs you want! Keep them coming!!
Why? It brings awareness to the item that might have become stale or even unknown and makes the originals even more desirable. For the folks who are looking for originals, the price may have just went up! The seller might have a beef with this, but the value increases, not decreases.
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What you say has no thought put behind it at all !!! The less of something the more value is obtained. Why would a seller complain if the price of his item goes up and brings more profit?
 
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What you say has no thought put behind it at all!!![/QUOTE]
MICHAEL5135 said:
What you say has no thought put behind it at all !!! The less of something the more value is obtained.
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And when did they make more Ti-Masters, 186's, or 560's? Again no merit or evidence.

I have stated the facts and will leave it at that.

If you have nothing good to say about other individuals knives it is best to say nothing at all.
 
That is what I have been saying all those knives ended in 1999. There shouldn't be any more with the dolphin and numerous different blades. This is all about Buck Knives. Are you going to gather all those knives you said you would. Oh, Yes what about the handles that are different too.
 
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MICHAEL5135 said:
Your not picking up what I'm putting down! If there were NO "buildouts" we would not have this discussion. I saw the COA's for the knives CRAIG 4727 is offering, the coa says 560's and there is not a 560 on any of the knives he has, they all have different blades and a dolphin. The coa is signed but are they original. The Topper is you Makael mentioning my last name for no reason was that fair to me? "Caveat emptor". Let the "BUYER BEWARE". I still haven't seen any knives 560 or 186 with different handles. I am just trying to put it out that it is possible you might not be getting what you think your getting even with a COA which is falsely worded. I expounded a few times and if you can't see my point. Then go buy Craigs knives since you'll buy any offered, Gedlicks for a fair market price. Oh yes see where the rest are at.
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The only reason I mentioned your last name was because you mentioned mine earlier. I thought we were last name buddies.:thumbsup:

Craigs4724 is the correct Ebay seller name. You should check out his listings just because their are some knives that are rare and you dont see everyday. Some are high priced but Craig is a fair guy and open to fair offers. Like I said before, quite a few of mine have come from him. If you have any questions regarding his listings, Joe Houser can verify each and every one of them.
 
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MICHAEL5165 - Here is what I said that you are so stuck on.

"There are many individuals even on this forum that have changed the handles to make the knife something other than original. Stag handles, stone handles, different types
of wood, blade changes, etc. Who all on here has some of them???"

Meaning - There have been many knives such as the 110, 112, 124, etc. that individuals have changed the handle (Scales - removing a bolster etc) to such as stag, stone, or types of wood etc..
 
MICHAEL5135 said:
I still haven't seen any knives 560 or 186 with different handles. I am just trying to put it out that it is possible you might not be getting what you think your getting even with a COA which is falsely worded.
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It most certainly is worth mentioning that, if you can make a perfect or nearly perfect counterfeit knife--making a COA is child's play, comparatively speaking. I have no doubt at all that there are "expert" collectors proudly displaying fakes while--somewhere in China--people are counting their money.

The technology now exists to make perfect fakes, and with highly sought-after collectibles bringing higher and higher prices--there is no doubt that it is being done.

After all, if it's a perfect fake, it is, by definition--legitimate.

And the "expert" collector is happy to buy it.

:D
 
By the way. Just because it has a dolphin stamped on it does not make it a Ti-Master and nobody has said it does.
 
It looks like Joes signature but the discription in the COA is wrong. You are the person who puts his name and ph# on the Forum for all to see and use because you do it. You put my last name out to be vindictive. I do look at his store and sorry for him I was interested but his attitude through me off after the email he sent me and the info he got most likely was from you.
 
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MICHAEL5135 said:
It looks like Joes signature but the discription in the COA is wrong. You are the person who puts his name and ph# on the Forum for all to see and use because you do it. You put mine last name out to be vindictive. I do look at his store and sorry for him I was interested but his attitude through me off after the email he sent me and the info he got most likely was from you.
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It is Joes Signature.
 
MICHAEL5135 said:
It looks like Joes signature but the discription in the COA is wrong. You are the person who puts his name and ph# on the Forum for all to see and use because you do it. You put mine last name out to be vindictive. I do look at his store and sorry for him I was interested but his attitude through me off after the email he sent me and the info he got most likely was from you.
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Michael, you have purchased a few fantastic knives from Craig. Are they not all legitimate? You also left him positive feedback. So Im not quite sure where this is coming from.

Here it is again.. Mike Looper 5092802411, mikelooper@hotmail.com
 
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By the way. Just because it has a dolphin stamped on it does not make it a Ti-Master and nobody has said it does.
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It surely does make it a Ti-Master. On the blade or on the handle and some both. There were only 50. You need to read.
 
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Michael, you have purchased a few fantastic knives from Craig. Are they not all legitimate? You also left him positive feedback. So Im not quite sure where this is coming from.
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Yes you are right I have bought ones that ARE legit. Somebody lit a fire under him and I received an email from him and it was very bad customer relations, it is to bad he did that. I never leave feedbacks.
 
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I agree only 50 made. So anything else wouldnt be a Ti Master. Making the original more valuable.
 
MICHAEL5135 said:
It surely does make it a Ti-Master. On the blade or on the handle and some both. There were only 50. You need to read.
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So what you are saying is that all the ones shown here that have a dolphin stamp on them are to you Ti-Masters. I am saying they are not.

You need to stop.
 
VorpalRain said:
It most certainly is worth mentioning that, if you can make a perfect or nearly perfect counterfeit knife--making a COA is child's play, comparatively speaking. I have no doubt at all that there are "expert" collectors proudly displaying fakes while--somewhere in China--people are counting their money.

The technology now exists to make perfect fakes, and with highly sought-after collectibles bringing higher and higher prices--there is no doubt that it is being done.

After all, if it's a perfect fake, it is, by definition--legitimate.

And the "expert" collector is happy to buy it.

:D
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Thank You I can't keep up with "THE GOLDENMEMBERS" !!
 
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So what you are saying is that all the ones shown here that have a dolphin stamp on them are to you Ti-Masters. I am saying they are not.

You need to stop.
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I did not say that to you. I said the 50 Ti-Masters that were the first had the Phrobis Dolphin stamped on the blade, the handle, or both. Why don't you understand, I said the same thing earlier. You need to comprehend better.
 
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MICHAEL5135 said:
Thank You I can't keep up with "THE GOLDENMEMBERS" !!
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Wow.... "GOLDENMEMBERS" ????
Michael, you could be one too.....

Makael, this thread has run its course and were starting another lap, close it so we can move on..... :rolleyes:
 
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