New legislation to ban machetes in NYS

Price said she visits her son’s grave two to three times each week, adding, “He’d still be alive today if it wasn’t for a machete.”
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Ok, that's just priceless.
 
dumbest thing I ever heard of, if it wasn't a machete it would have been a kitchen knife, tire iron, hammer, sharp stick, 2x4, fire poker, scissors, chainsaw, handsaw, chisel, screwdriver or something else. If New Yorkers are not willing to take a stand and stop this kind of overzealous political activity they will lose their rights one by one, personally I don't care but the problem is the rest of the country often copies the stupid ideas that are coming out of there. NY get organized and fight the lack of common sense being shown by this moron.
 
olpappy said:
dumbest thing I ever heard of, if it wasn't a machete it would have been a kitchen knife, tire iron, hammer, sharp stick, 2x4, fire poker, scissors, chainsaw, handsaw, chisel, screwdriver or something else. If New Yorkers are not willing to take a stand and stop this kind of overzealous political activity they will lose their rights one by one, personally I don't care but the problem is the rest of the country often copies the stupid ideas that are coming out of there. NY get organized and fight the lack of common sense being shown by this moron.
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+1000:thumbup:
 
I merged 2 threads here, one from Knife Laws and one from General Knife Discussion.
 
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Sosa said:
They ban Al pastor then.
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We both know, they don't know what al pastor even is in NYC :D
 
I see one other poster cleared this up, as I thought I did when I posted, YES it is a STATE law being a modification to the NYS PL 265.00. It adds machete to the list of named deadly weapons, but it does not add a definition of what a machete is. It is a class A misd not a felony, but that could lead up to one day less than a year in jail at the fully term for a A Misd.

Read the proposed law for your self and take note that its present status is referred to codes, which means it is reviewed for compliance with current law and reworded to properly be considered. many bills died in codes, so we can hope this ones does...

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S3199-2015


You can post COMMENTS on the proposed law so PLEASE do that as the Senate see them and needs your input!
 
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I saw this on the news yesterday and could not believe it. Lets ban kitchen knives, which is used in more stabbings than any other knife. This guy is out of his mind,and this state is an embarrassment. Give me a break already.Lets add hammers,pool cues and pipe wrenches to the list...:barf:
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Looks good but I never heard of it. I would call his knife a cimeter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimeter
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Oh like a more delicious version of shwarma, but mexican pork version. Mmm spinning meat.

I used to cook in NYC, it's funny that these guys will make silly laws like this for easy political "wins". I used to joke if I had a pocket clip showing NYPD would have my face on the ground almost instantly, walk around with hundreds of dollars worth of long sharp knives in a knife roll or in your bag and no ones the wiser. I also grew up skateboarding, so we had a sense of don't give NYPD a reason to talk to you and they pretty much leave you alone.

Although when I travel out to NYC for work now it's usually only for a week, so it's a great excuse to leave the knives at home, then promptly stop into the victorinox store in soho. Pick up a cheap simlple SAK and if I already have one, makes a great gift to a friend out there instead of mailing it back home. :thumbup:
 
They did the same thing with banning bayonets a few years ago. Needless to say this REALLY cut down on the amount of drive by bayonetings!
 
vonrichthofen54 said:
They did the same thing with banning bayonets a few years ago. Needless to say this REALLY cut down on the amount of drive by bayonetings!
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NYS banned common sense many years ago, and the politicians there have been obeying that law ever since.

What's unfortunate is that these laws are all for show, but we never end up with anything good to show for them.
 
Wow, neat and cool, another useless law. Having used machetes where they are common tools, I can only think that ignorance and hysteria are the reason for trying to ban ownership of an item needed by anyone working in a rain forest or jungle.

I suppose the Peace Corps and the Bureau of Public Roads should be investigated because they wasted taxpayer dollars training me to use these deadly weapons. :D The murder was a crime but do not blame the tool.
 
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Lost Cosmonaut said:
That article has so many anti-knife weasel words it reads like it was written in Britian.
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Four inch limit? Nonsense. Chef knives and bread knives are longer. People are beheaded with shorter knives.
Besides, if obama can say religion doesn't kill people, people kill people, then machetes don't kill people, people kill people.
But you don't have to get political to see how incredibly stupid this proposed law is.
 
New York is one of those states that needs more deaths related to blunt force injury delivered by hammers commonly available at the hardware store. I'd love to see them try and ban hammers like they're trying to ban machetes. The fallout that would be had, either from such a tactic being used, or not being used, would be significant, and well worth seeing.
 
mountainmist said:
Why don't they just make murder or assault illegal? Duh! :confused::foot::rolleyes:
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Because not enough people would be unknowingly committing technical offenses. Technical offenses allow for and encourage malicious prosecution to generate greater revenue through court fees.
 
Hi folks,
I sent a very friendly and respectful email to Senator Avella last night regarding this issue and received the following response back today. I guess I am a bit confused, as I thought assault with a machete (or any instrument) is against the law? Does the law need to spell out machete? Though I disagree with him, it was nice of his office to reply.

February 23, 2015

Thank you for contacting my office regarding my recent bill that will amend
the New York State Penal Law to include a machete within the definition of
“Deadly Weapon”. ( See
http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S3199-2015)

Unfortunately, there has been some confusion in the media that has
improperly characterized this bill as a “ban” on machetes. In fact, the
bill only includes machetes in the Penal Law definition of a “Deadly
Weapon” pursuant to subdivision 12 of Section 10.00. The effect of this
definitional change is to mandate that when a person causes physical injury
by using a machete and did so either intentionally, recklessly or with
criminal negligence they can be charged accordingly pursuant to the Penal
Law provisions covering Assault Offenses (Article 120).

I purposely did not include machete in the other “Dangerous Weapons”
offense categories within the Penal Law including “criminal possession of
weapons” or “manufacture, transport, disposition and defacement of weapons
and dangerous instruments and appliances”. The specific reason for this is
because machetes, as opposed to other “Deadly Weapons” do have a functional
use for many people throughout the state including farming, hunting,
landscaping, etc. Therefore, I chose to solely amend Section 10.00 of the
Penal Law so that only those persons who use machetes with the intent to
harm or harm someone recklessly or with criminal negligence can be charged
accordingly.

I hope that this has clarified any confusion or concerns you have about my
legislation.

Sincerely,

Tony Avella
State Senator
11th Senatorial District
 
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I purposely did not include machete in the other “Dangerous Weapons”
offense categories within the Penal Law including “criminal possession of
weapons” or “manufacture, transport, disposition and defacement of weapons
and dangerous instruments and appliances”. The specific reason for this is
because machetes, as opposed to other “Deadly Weapons” do have a functional
use for many people throughout the state including farming, hunting,
landscaping, etc. Therefore, I chose to solely amend Section 10.00 of the
Penal Law so that only those persons who use machetes with the intent to
harm or harm someone recklessly or with criminal negligence can be charged
accordingly.
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Sounds like a load of BS. I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV. But if something is legally a "deadly weapon" it is also a "dangerous weapon". Keep in mind that in New York any object used as a weapon and / or carried for use as a weapon and / or kept in your home for use as a weapon can get you charged with criminal possession of a weapon.

And who decides that you intend to use ________ as a weapon even if you keep it at home? The law enforcement officer of course.

For example "gravity knives" which in NY includes even your Spyderco pocket knife. They are not legal to carry or even keep in your home. I would love to see this State Senator explain [without spin, without complicated legal language that only a lawyer will understand] how will New Yorkers be able to legally own and keep machetes in their homes if machetes become "deadly, dangerous" weapons?

It looks to me that he wants to outlaw machetes without saying it openly. Just like the "gravity knife" BS basically outlawed possession of most locking pocket knives.:grumpy:
 
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This is standard procedure in such places. Enact as many laws as possible so at the time of trial a prosecutor can present a laundry list of charges, enough to warrant anywhere between 30 years and life without the possibility of parole, and force the accused to accept whatever plea deal is offered even if they're innocent, and then they can wrap up everything nice and neat, proclaim they're doing something about crime, and collect a huge cut of the court fees to help balance their budgets.
 
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