New legislation to ban machetes in NYS

Is the NRA aware of this legislation? I know that the NRA is a gun rights organization but shouldn't the 2nd Amendment apply to bladed weapons too? A machete was used in a murder. So what? Handguns are used in murders every day. The arguments in favor of a ban on machetes can just as easily apply to handguns. I hope the NRA can connect the dots.
 
frostbrand said:
Is the NRA aware of this legislation? I know that the NRA is a gun rights organization but shouldn't the 2nd Amendment apply to bladed weapons too?....
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There are probably more local knife laws across the US than gun laws, and even NRA can't spread itself that thin.

KnifeRights is the biggest go-to source for combating these laws. They almost single highhandedly got essentially all state knife laws repealed here in two years. But they too can only use selective focus at any given time with their resources.

I highly recommend you join to help, btw.

- OS
 
I'm willing to bet that more people are killed with ordinary kitchen knives than machetes. Wait... don't give the morons any ideas.
 
charlesbjr said:
Hi folks,
I sent a very friendly and respectful email to Senator Avella last night regarding this issue and received the following response back today. I guess I am a bit confused, as I thought assault with a machete (or any instrument) is against the law? Does the law need to spell out machete? Though I disagree with him, it was nice of his office to reply.

February 23, 2015

Thank you for contacting my office regarding my recent bill that will amend
the New York State Penal Law to include a machete within the definition of
“Deadly Weapon”. ( See
http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S3199-2015)

Unfortunately, there has been some confusion in the media that has
improperly characterized this bill as a “ban” on machetes. In fact, the
bill only includes machetes in the Penal Law definition of a “Deadly
Weapon” pursuant to subdivision 12 of Section 10.00. The effect of this
definitional change is to mandate that when a person causes physical injury
by using a machete and did so either intentionally, recklessly or with
criminal negligence they can be charged accordingly pursuant to the Penal
Law provisions covering Assault Offenses (Article 120).

I purposely did not include machete in the other “Dangerous Weapons”
offense categories within the Penal Law including “criminal possession of
weapons” or “manufacture, transport, disposition and defacement of weapons
and dangerous instruments and appliances”. The specific reason for this is
because machetes, as opposed to other “Deadly Weapons” do have a functional
use for many people throughout the state including farming, hunting,
landscaping, etc. Therefore, I chose to solely amend Section 10.00 of the
Penal Law so that only those persons who use machetes with the intent to
harm or harm someone recklessly or with criminal negligence can be charged
accordingly.

I hope that this has clarified any confusion or concerns you have about my
legislation.

Sincerely,

Tony Avella
State Senator
11th Senatorial District
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but this change would basically make it illegal to carry on your person somewhere for which you had no explanation? It would also allow LE to search your vehicle and make an arrest if one was in sight in your vehicle or found as a result of searching for other contraband? How many people wear a machete to dinner?

It makes no sense as a deterrent in any event. How could the use of a machete on someone not be worth charging attempted murder, the weapons charge is meaningless. Axe's, mauls, hatchets, grass sickles, etc etc, anything with a cutting edge...

This man is an idiot, confine it to NYC where folks expect that sort of legislation. I don't need to get harassed on the Thruway driving up to the Adks with a bolo hanging off my backpack.
 
frostbrand said:
Is the NRA aware of this legislation? I know that the NRA is a gun rights organization but shouldn't the 2nd Amendment apply to bladed weapons too? A machete was used in a murder. So what? Handguns are used in murders every day. The arguments in favor of a ban on machetes can just as easily apply to handguns. I hope the NRA can connect the dots.
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NYC already has, in effect, a handgun ban already. To even possess a handgun at all in NYC you first have to get a permit from the NYPD, which involves a huge amount of paperwork, cost ($340 just to apply) and time. Going beyond that, they have several different categories of permits, the carry variety are virtually impossible to get for normal people. Hell, even to have a shotgun (with 5 round max capacity) you have to get a permit. Unlicensed possession carries mandatory state prison time, take Plaxico Burress as an example of that (did almost 2 years after shooting himself by accident with his unlicensed Glock in a nightclub in Manhattan).

If anyone needs magazine size restrictions, it's the NYPD. Maybe that would help to reign them in a bit from lighting up brothers with dozens of rounds...
 
John_0917 said:
If anyone needs magazine size restrictions, it's the NYPD. Maybe that would help to reign them in a bit from lighting up brothers with dozens of rounds...
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despite the racial overtones of your post I have to ask, do you really think anyone using and carrying an illegally acquired firearm, all ready breaking laws is going to consider magazine capacity? "hey John, remember when you go to kill that guy make sure not grab the 19 round mags. Remember those are illegal" "no sense adding a year to a life sentence". Sorry I just dont see it.
 
PURPLEDC said:
despite the racial overtones of your post I have to ask, do you really think anyone using and carrying an illegally acquired firearm, all ready breaking laws is going to consider magazine capacity? "hey John, remember when you go to kill that guy make sure not grab the 19 round mags. Remember those are illegal" "no sense adding a year to a life sentence". Sorry I just dont see it.
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You completely misunderstood what I was saying, there were no "racial overtones", except pointing out that the NYPD has a propensity for using excessive force against minorities. Of course criminals don't care about weapon laws of any kind, that's why those laws are so pointless. My last sentence was referring to the multiple instances of NYPD officers firing dozens of rounds at unarmed suspects, usually black or brown in color, and that if anyone needs smaller magazines, it's the NYPD.
 
After reading this thread I see that only one of you really has a grip with political reality in this State, or for that matter the mentality of the average politician (usually a liberal democrat) anywhere in this country.
It is just another attempt by a useless politician to get public and media attention. "Look at me", "I'm earning my tax payer supported salary", and "Vote for me". It sickens me and makes me hold all politicians in contempt. Its remarkable how many of these idiots can survive day to day life. If it wasn't for the "occupation" of politics these people would starve to death.

I wish the media would do an expose on politicians and see how manyof these people never had a profession other than public/ political service.

Sorry for the rant. Stuff like this really pulls my cork.
 
aguila327 said:
After reading this thread I see that only one of you really has a grip with political reality in this State, or for that matter the mentality of the average politician (usually a liberal democrat) anywhere in this country.
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There are just so, so many jokes that could be made about that.
 
HeavyHanded said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this change would basically make it illegal to carry on your person somewhere for which you had no explanation? It would also allow LE to search your vehicle and make an arrest if one was in sight in your vehicle or found as a result of searching for other contraband? How many people wear a machete to dinner?

It makes no sense as a deterrent in any event. How could the use of a machete on someone not be worth charging attempted murder, the weapons charge is meaningless. Axe's, mauls, hatchets, grass sickles, etc etc, anything with a cutting edge...

This man is an idiot, confine it to NYC where folks expect that sort of legislation. I don't need to get harassed on the Thruway driving up to the Adks with a bolo hanging off my backpack.
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I hear that! I always take a machete with me to the Adirondacks. Sometimes we cant get into camp without one.
 
I'll be headin in a southerly direction in three to five years when I retire. It can come fast enough.
 
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