New Members crapping on sales threads

You are far from alone OP. This happens. It is part of the game here. Report the post. I never mark the post SPF until the item is gone, in which case I mark it sold. It is still available until paid for as far as I am concerned. I do my best to be responsive and give first in line the opportunity to pay. If communication breaks down I move on to the next. There are far too many flakes to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
 
In all honesty, I don't let it bother me. I do not sell knives as a way of income, and I do not sell them because I have too. I suppose if I needed the money for another purchase I would feel differently.
 
craytab said:
You are far from alone OP. This happens. It is part of the game here. Report the post. I never mark the post SPF until the item is gone, in which case I mark it sold. It is still available until paid for as far as I am concerned. I do my best to be responsive and give first in line the opportunity to pay. If communication breaks down I move on to the next. There are far too many flakes to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
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If you say the offer is accepted only by payment, then that's the deal. First one who pays gets it. Might want to define "payment." Or you might want to provide that you can decline to accept the payment: "Offer is accepted only by acceptance of payment." Or accepted IF payment received by X date.

Otherwise, the listing solicits offers. "I'll take it" is an offer. The offer is accepted when you, the seller, say it is and only then. When you accept the offer to buy, there is a binding contract of sale. This has been worked out in the law many years ago and is consistent in all fifty states and seems to work well.
 
mycough said:
Not to get off track , but there are some new guys re posting sales threads after only 3-4 days. Similar to the old bump deal. Russ
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As mentioned, please flag those posts. It's not fair to those that do follow the rules, when people are painfully new or too lazy to read the guidelines.
 
Thomas Linton said:
If you say the offer is accepted only by payment, then that's the deal. First one who pays gets it. Might want to define "payment." Or you might want to provide that you can decline to accept the payment: "Offer is accepted only by acceptance of payment." Or accepted IF payment received by X date.

Otherwise, the listing solicits offers. "I'll take it" is an offer. The offer is accepted when you, the seller, say it is and only then. When you accept the offer to buy, there is a binding contract of sale. This has been worked out in the law many years ago and is consistent in all fifty states and seems to work well.
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Legal nonsense means nothing here. If someone wants to take me to court over they way I do a transaction here, go for it. Paying a lawyer to inquire about such a case will cost more than whatever I am selling, if the lawyer is any good that is. BTW, assuming what I say or don't say to a potential buyer is a mistake right off the bat. You have no clue in that respect. How can you even prove what I am writing right now was written by me?
 
RevDevil said:
As mentioned, please flag those posts. It's not fair to those that do follow the rules, when people are painfully new or too lazy to read the guidelines.
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Or even after multiple warnings they keep doing it. These folks should get flagged every time and earn some points.
 
craytab said:
Legal nonsense means nothing here. If someone wants to take me to court over they way I do a transaction here, go for it. Paying a lawyer to inquire about such a case will cost more than whatever I am selling, if the lawyer is any good that is. BTW, assuming what I say or don't say to a potential buyer is a mistake right off the bat. You have no clue in that respect. How can you even prove what I am writing right now was written by me?
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I assumed nothing. I said you can set the terms of what acceptance amounts to - if you care to do so.

You want to reinvent how to do sales, feel free. Illegal nonsense may be more appealing than legal nonsense.
 
Thomas Linton said:
I assumed nothing. I said you can set the terms of what acceptance amounts to - if you care to do so.

You want to reinvent how to do sales, feel free. Illegal nonsense may be more appealing than legal nonsense.
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Everything you said in your earlier post was correct... even though it isn't and never will be enforced, an "I'll take it" is a legally binding offer. It seems some members on here get their kicks by starting arguments in G,B and U...
 
willythekid said:
Everything you said in your earlier post was correct... even though it isn't and never will be enforced, an "I'll take it" is a legally binding offer. It seems some members on here get their kicks by starting arguments in G,B and U...
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So, if a known scumbag posts an "I'll take it" in your sales thread you feel you would be legally obligated to sell them the item? What if the person who says I'll take it doesn't respond with payment? When are you legally unobligated to sell it to the person? How long do you legally have to wait? How do you know you are selling to someone who is legally allowed to own such a knife?

Further, the above bolded contradicts what Thomas said.
 
craytab said:
So, if a known scumbag posts an "I'll take it" in your sales thread you feel you would be legally obligated to sell them the item? What if the person who says I'll take it doesn't respond with payment? When are you legally unobligated to sell it to the person? How long do you legally have to wait? How do you know you are selling to someone who is legally allowed to own such a knife?

Further, the above bolded contradicts what Thomas said.
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Retracted

"Why can't we all just get along?" -Rodney King LOL
 
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willythekid said:
That's not how it works... His "I'll take it" it is an offer, I am not legally binded to take his offer but If I do take his offer then we have a legal contract. Both sides have to agree... Look, I didn't post this thread to get into petty arguements. I did it to gauge peoples thoughts on his issue.

"Why can't we all just get along?" -Rodney King LOL
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And I don't post here to get into arguments. I posted here to get inaccurate information corrected. What you said was wrong: "an "I'll take it" is a legally binding offer". Now you have corrected your mistake.

I completely agree with your original post.
 
craytab said:
So, if a known scumbag posts an "I'll take it" in your sales thread you feel you would be legally obligated to sell them the item? What if the person who says I'll take it doesn't respond with payment? When are you legally unobligated to sell it to the person? How long do you legally have to wait? How do you know you are selling to someone who is legally allowed to own such a knife?

Further, the above bolded contradicts what Thomas said.
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Yup. No contract until the seller accepts the offer to buy either by action or by the happening of the event the seller specifies as acceptance. ("I accept the first 'I'll take it" posted in this thread.)

Our society has taken years to work out the best rules for when a deal is made and what the terms of the deal are. As you point out, practical considerations may mean that breaking those rules has no consequence, but having no rules means no one knows for sure what's going on.

Example. You decide that you accept an offer to buy only by payment and the first payor gets the deal. But when does "payment" occur? The law has an answer, but that's "legal nonsense." So is "payment" when you physically get the money order, when you "cash" the money order, or when the money can no longer be pulled back by cancelling the money order?

And if I was the first to post say "I'll take it," and someone beats me to "payment" by using PayPal a day later instead of a money order, he gets the knife because he "paid first"? Sort of a race to "pay" with you as the arbiter at some point. (And when are you "paid" by PayPal? When the buyer can no longer file a case to get a refund on a phony "Goods not received" claim?)

Obviously, I think society's rules are the way to go. They still leave the seller in control if he is clear about the terms. Clearly, you think otherwise.

If the buyer does not pay, the legal nonsense says he has repudiated the contract and the seller has no obligation to deliver.

I don't know how you would know that a person is or is not "legally allowed" to purchase a given knife - or receive it across state lines (all those automatics that are illegally shipped from state to state and are subject to confiscation as contraband). I think a legally-binding representation that the offeror is "legally allowed" ("by offering to buy, you represent") should do. You should be protected if, down the road, the excrement hits the rotary device -- unless someone can prove you knew better. More of that legal stuff.
 
Lone_Wolfe said:
The downside to ^ is that even the best member here was new at one time. I was snubbed by a couple of people when I first joined, I won't deal with them even now. Someone has to give newbies a chance to earn their first feedback.
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I'm relatively new here, with not a ton of posts. I recently made my first purchase and everything went well, and the seller even helped me through the process by answering my questions to make sure I did things correctly. You're right, everyone starts out with 0 posts and 0 feedback. I admit, the main reason I joined BF is because I saw knives being offered for sale in the Exchange that I couldn't find elsewhere on the internet. It is not the sole reason I joined, but it was the primary reason.

When there is an abundance of jokers buying & backing out of trades, it really does make it difficult for an honest new buyer to gain foothold. But I am appreciative of those that give new people the benefit of the doubt, and give them a chance to earn their own reputation.
 
craytab said:
And I don't post here to get into arguments. I posted here to get inaccurate information corrected. What you said was wrong: "an "I'll take it" is a legally binding offer". Now you have corrected your mistake.

I completely agree with your original post.
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At least in the two states I work in, verbal and/or written offers and acceptances are legally binding. No mistake on my part. That being said, holding parties reliable for a verbal contract is a whole other can of worms.
 
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