New Nighthawk

Joe Houser said:
So I'm the only one that thinks those holes are "cool" huh? Well just remember that I was calling the Buckmaster cool when others were calling it useless years ago and look at how collectible they are now. :p

I find it interesting that some of the comments go beyond stating that posters have no use for the holes. It seems that, for this crowd anyways, they actually detract from the knife in some way.
I'll pass these comments on. Who knows, maybe the knife will be offered "with" or "without" the holes much like some models come with our without serrations.
Great comments, thanks!
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Maybe a special batch could be "acidentally" produced without the holes, and then get sold at a discount as "factory defects" (with a heads-up posted here when they were going to show up on the Buck website):D
 
Joe Houser said:
So I'm the only one that thinks those holes are "cool" huh? Well just remember that I was calling the Buckmaster cool when others were calling it useless years ago and look at how collectible they are now. :p

I find it interesting that some of the comments go beyond stating that posters have no use for the holes. It seems that, for this crowd anyways, they actually detract from the knife in some way.
I'll pass these comments on. Who knows, maybe the knife will be offered "with" or "without" the holes much like some models come with our without serrations.
Great comments, thanks!
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I think the holes detract alot from the knife. I am HIGHLY critical of some of the TOPS designs and their over the top marketing. I'm against putting stuff on knives to make them look cool, and that includes names, slogans, and holes (except for Spydie folders). I can see the TOPS influence in the CSAR-T folder and fixed blade and dont have a problem with those, but what has the new Nighthawk have to do with TOPS other than the holes in the blade?
 
I actually like TOPS knives (the ones intended for using, anyway) but I have to side with the majority here. I would never take an original Nighthawk and startdrilling holes through the blade for the hell of it, so I'm afraid I can't get behind the factory doing it. I'm not worried about breakage, honestly, but it's just a wonderful spot for blood, fat, vegetable matter and whatever else to accumulate. Even being stainless, I don't care for corrosives getting into nooks and crannies where I can't get at them easily.
 
i like the ones with the holes in them, but i'm sure i'm a different generation then alot of you are.

i also like serrations on some of my knives. i notice with buck they have knives that appeal to just about everyone.
 
I think people get caught up to much in the holes. Do they add a theoritical extra breaking point yes. What are the chances one would break that knife there? Slim. Nobody complained about the holes in the CSAR-T? None that i know of and not to what they are about the Nighthawk. Also what about the bone score in the Hoodlum? No complaining about that. Or the bottle opener in the DPX Hest folders and fixed blade. Or the giant hole in all the Spyderco knives that has become a trade mark. If you don't like the holes don't buy the knife, no need to carry on about it. Instead congratulate Buck Knives in trying something new and pushing the design limits on what they normally do. I hope they keep it up!
 
It's an extremely simple thing.

People hate silly holes in serious knives.

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Nobody complained about the holes in those other knives because that's how they came to us originally. Those who didn't like them because of the holes probably looked, said "I don't like that" and left it at that without jumping onto the forums to comment. What you're seeing is people reacting to a change in a product that already existed and that they already liked. I've never complained about bubbles in my beer because, well, beer has bubbles and always has had. Add bubbles to my whiskey, though, and I'm going to complain.
 
I've never complained about bubbles in my beer because, well, beer has bubbles and always has had. Add bubbles to my whiskey, though, and I'm going to complain.
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LOL! Almost spit my whiskey all over the keyboard!

:)
 
Well, I never would buy a knife with one hole, two holes or three holes.
Also I never would buy a Hoodlum because of the score. These design elements are senseless.
And as BG wrote I'm not a friend of these ideas which are found for trying something new. Or to
make something different to other brands.

Best,
Haebbie
 
GundaManiac said:
You're missing out on the Vantage line then. They're some seriously nice folding knives :D
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Well, GM, that's an apt remark. Buck has a lot of great folders that I never had a look on
the Vantages. But the post I wrote refers to fixed blades, not to folders. And I think I'm
not alone with my opinion.

Best,
Haebbie
 
draftpick said:
I think people get caught up to much in the holes. Do they add a theoritical extra breaking point yes. What are the chances one would break that knife there? Slim. Nobody complained about the holes in the CSAR-T? None that i know of and not to what they are about the Nighthawk. Also what about the bone score in the Hoodlum? No complaining about that. Or the bottle opener in the DPX Hest folders and fixed blade. Or the giant hole in all the Spyderco knives that has become a trade mark. If you don't like the holes don't buy the knife, no need to carry on about it. Instead congratulate Buck Knives in trying something new and pushing the design limits on what they normally do. I hope they keep it up!
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Actually, if you go back and search some of the older posts concerning the CSAR-T and Hoodlum, there was some concern in the blade holes and "bone score" in the blades of those two knives. However, like I posted before, Buck has full size orriginal Nightwawks and Nighthawk Bravo's on closeout for $50.
 
I think we will just have to wait and see. Some people dont like the holes and some do. Do enough of them like the holes in the Nighthawk to keep them in the line next year? Only time will tell.


BG said: "It's an extremely simple thing.

People hate silly holes in serious knives."

I would only add the word "Some" before the word People. How many remains to be seen. Input like this is invaluable for product design.
 
I think there's three groups.

1. Mall Ninjas (and it's entirely possible that they are the majority).

2. Serious knife users who hate holes in the blade.

3. Serious knife users who don't mind the holes in the blade.

I predict that the holes will stay. My only caveat on that is that there might be a small chance that Buck will produce some New Nighthawks without holes in the future.

I wouldn't count heavily on that.
 
BG42EDGE said:
It's an extremely simple thing.

People hate silly holes in serious knives.

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And I'm sure people who hate silly holes are ones that that do not like change! It's that simple. People have been putting holes in knives for years. Not saying it's right or stylish. But if it was such a design flaw it would have stopped by now. I think there has been enough time to get warranty returns to tell that the holes make a weaker knife and reduce profits. Also as far the Hoodlum goes, If you think the bones score or some other knife features are silly or usless then you don't really use knives in the woods. Ron may he rest in peace, knew what he was doing and I like the design and it goes in the woods with me all the time. But if you don't like the new night hawk buy up some old ones, because the news may be around a while.
 
At least they managed to keep TOPS from etching a damned skull on it, or gigantic print like "NIGHTHAWK NINJA" though I imagine it was discussed. I'm waiting for the collaboration on the 110 next...one hundred and ten completely pointless tiny holes drilled in it---it's gonna be SWEET. ;)

It's not a fear of change, draftpick, it's a dislike of something being changed in a for-the-hell-of-it kind of way that doesn't even pretend to have a functional reason behind it. Thank you, however, for explaining to me that my decades of hunting, hiking and general outdoor fun-having don't actually qualify as using my knives since I never had call to score a bone with a single-toothed saw. I now can begin an exciting, in-depth investigation into what on earth could have been dulling my knives during that time, and thus requiring me to resharpen them, since it couldn't have been due to use. It's weird, though, the memories of cutting things are so vivid...
 
Well, draftpic, I am not going with you.

When I need a saw, I take a saw with me. Buck offers a good one. Or I take the Stihl handsaw.
My EDC folding knife has a bone saw and I am sure this is more usable than the one tooth scraper
from the Hoodlum.

The Hoodlum one tooth back reminds me to an old man. He is able to eat with
one tooth, but the lonesome tooth doesn't work good. Also take a comb with one tooth. That works too.
But not as well as a complete Brush. Wut when I have the chance, I'll check out the Hoodlum, may be
that I am aggreeably surprised about the single dent. Who knows.

It is not necessary to make more words about the peep/air holes
from Tops knives. But as it was written before it is a good thing that there are different opinions.
The world would be deadly boring without varying viewpoints.

Best,
Haebbie
 
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