[ new release knife you tried to buy retail ] for sale

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Hey guys, I bought [enough to make a profit] of the [ new release] that just came out, but I only need one of them, so I am selling the rest for [150%-200% MSRP].


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Look guys, I know that value fluctuates, and no one is asking you to sell your knives below value. However, I think the apparent strategy some folks appear to do of investing in enough stock to either cover their personal purchase, or make profit on the exchange is kinda sleezy.

I've got no beef with buying different covers or something then choosing, but why not at cost? Aren't we all friends here?

I don't even have a specific post or user in mind, but I think we have all seen it. Just thought about how funny those posts sound, and thought it could make for an interesting discussion.
 
My first thought is that if one buy a knife - say for $100.00 with free shipping etc - from a source but then decides to sell same knife without taking a loss here on the BF exchange that person NOW needs to include shipping costs and PP fees.

Without doing the exact math, that adds another roughly $10.00 to the sale price. The $100.00 knife is now $110.00 to your door.

True that is only a 10% mark up - much less than your writing about but still, you can't sell a knife for what you paid for it without incurring additional costs as I know toooo well. I call it my "trial and error" fee.

The guys who mark up beyond the basic fees I simply ignore. Though you can't blame a seller for trying, you can blame the buyer for not doing some homework. That's the yin and yang of the capitalist marketplace.
 
I have no issue with a guy trying to make money. If I don't like a price I simply don't buy the item. What cracks me up is nobody complains about the 300% markup on a hamburger from Mcds but wants to slam the guy for trying to make 10% in a knife. That makes no sense at all. The exchange here is full of multiple pricing on the same item, so is the Internet for that matter. Again, if you don't like the price move along but don't complain to much because you probably will have a hamburger soon
 
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If the knife is sold at the asking price, then whatever the price may be, it isn't overpriced, is it?. The marketplace decides the price. Also remember the seller has possibly spent enormous time and effort to obtain the unobtanium knife in the first place.

Have you been to the customs section of the forum? Check the mark-up there on some makers, and you'll stop wondering. :-)

For me, it's just a knife, and if too rich for my blood I just move on to the next. There are plenty to keep me busy till the price of the unobtanium comes to my affordable levels (hopefully). ;-)
 
City74 said:
I have no issue with a guy trying to make money. If I don't like a price I simply don't buy the item. What cracks me up is nobody complains about the 300% markup on a hamburger from Mcds but wants to slam the guy for trying to make 10%. That makes no sense at all. The exchange here is full of multiple pricing on the same item, so is the Internet for that matter. Again, if you don't like the price move along but don't complain to much because you probably will have a hamburger soon
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I agree with you on not buying if the price ain't right for you, but the McDonalds analogy is a bit off the mark as they are the primary source of the product.
A closer analogy: Imagine someone at your workplace buys McD's and ends up with some leftovers. You ask if you can have a double cheeseburger and they ask you to reimburse them $2.50 (for a $1.69 burger).
It would seem weird among friends.

I'm thinking the OP wants us to act like friends, as opposed to some who use the community as a profit-center.
As you said though, the market demand is what allows the flippers to thrive.
 
This type of dealing is also a bit of a crapshoot. I bought two each of a couple of sprints, one to use and one to keep, thinking if push came to shove I could sell one for enough to cover most of the cost of the user. Neither has appreciated past the suggested retail level. On the other hand I have sold off some sprints that I only bought one of and cleared some profit. One never knows.
 
I have absolutely no problem with it. If someone can make money off of a knife, gun, car, etc then good for them. If I don't like the price I don't have to buy it. I've never understood people that get their feelings hurt over someone else making a profit. There seem to be a lot of those people right now though. You can see them in large groups right now voting for hillary and bernie.
 
choombak said:
If the knife is sold at the asking price, then whatever the price may be, it isn't overpriced, is it?.
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This is really only true in a marketplace where the previous sale prices of a particular item are known, and thus trends can be examined. The habit of hiding a price after a sale essentially perverts this from a free marketplace to a supply-side fixed economy. Quite disingenuously.
 
robgmn said:
I agree with you on not buying if the price ain't right for you, but the McDonalds analogy is a bit off the mark as they are the primary source of the product.
A closer analogy: Imagine someone at your workplace buys McD's and ends up with some leftovers. You ask if you can have a double cheeseburger and they ask you to reimburse them $2.50 (for a $1.69 burger).
It would seem weird among friends.

I'm thinking the OP wants us to act like friends, as opposed to some who use the community as a profit-center.
As you said though, the market demand is what allows the flippers to thrive.
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A hamburger with just one bite with that markup.

But as long as people keep paying those prices they won't come down.

A good example would be a factory 2nd knife maybe still in the exchange for 20% over published retail.
 
Yalius said:
This is really only true in a marketplace where the previous sale prices of a particular item are known, and thus trends can be examined. The habit of hiding a price after a sale essentially perverts this from a free marketplace to a supply-side fixed economy. Quite disingenuously.
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How so? The sale price is clearly stated while the item is for sale. Common sense would tell anyone who has it that the actual selling price is going to be somewhat close to the asking price. It's not like someone is going to ask $500 for a knife and then sell it for $100, at least not habitually.

These over-pricing issues aren't just occurring in the knife world. Recently the Dodge Hellcats were selling for well over sticker price and buyers were happy to pay it, all while having no idea what the dealer actually had invested into the car. That is but one example. The only people who had their feelings hurt by it were the ones who wanted it and couldn't afford it.
 
pwrdbycotn said:
How so? The sale price is clearly stated while the item is for sale. Common sense would tell anyone who has it that the actual selling price is going to be somewhat close to the asking price. It's not like someone is going to ask $500 for a knife and then sell it for $100, at least not habitually.

These over-pricing issues aren't just occurring in the knife world. Recently the Dodge Hellcats were selling for well over sticker price and buyers were happy to pay it, all while having no idea what the dealer actually had invested into the car. That is but one example. The only people who had their feelings hurt by it were the ones who wanted it and couldn't afford it.
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The very definition of a free marketplace is one in which prices "float" based on full and complete information of both current and previous transactions. The free flow of information is intrinsic to a free marketplace. You can call it what you like, but hiding a price after a transaction takes place practically screams "not a free market."

And the Dodge Hellcats that were selling for over retail? You most definitely can determine exactly what a dealer has invested in inventory-- it's required as part of corporate filings. It's why you can walk into any auto dealership you want and ask to see the dealer invoices.
 
*shrug*. Free market system. Just as much his right to do that as it is yours to go find one for msrp or less.

Subject comes up on car boards everytime a special something comes out. Dealer has all the right in the world just as much as you can go find it elsewhere for cheaper. I did. You can too.

Problem is, crybaby lazies don't wanna. They wanna walk in anywhere, not to the legwork to get a special rarity or be the first on the block and expect it now. The gimme gimme now now I want problem that is plaguing the country.

It's pretty simple. Don't like the price? Don't buy it. Find it yourself for less.
 
Yalius said:
The very definition of a free marketplace is one in which prices "float" based on full and complete information of both current and previous transactions. The free flow of information is intrinsic to a free marketplace. You can call it what you like, but hiding a price after a transaction takes place practically screams "not a free market."

And the Dodge Hellcats that were selling for over retail? You most definitely can determine exactly what a dealer has invested in inventory-- it's required as part of corporate filings. It's why you can walk into any auto dealership you want and ask to see the dealer invoices.
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If you believe what those dealer invoices say then I have a bridge to sell you. Hiding prices after a sale happens everywhere, all the time. You might be able to look up and see what my house was listed for when I bought it 2.5 years ago, but you have no idea what I actually paid after working out an agreement with the previous owner, especially considering that some furniture, electronics and other items were agreed upon to stay with the home. You also have no idea what price I paid for my pickup or any number of other items that I possess. Does this mean that there isn't a free market on those items?
 
pwrdbycotn said:
If you believe what those dealer invoices say then I have a bridge to sell you. Hiding prices after a sale happens everywhere, all the time. You might be able to look up and see what my house was listed for when I bought it 2.5 years ago, but you have no idea what I actually paid after working out an agreement with the previous owner, especially considering that some furniture, electronics and other items were agreed upon to stay with the home. You also have no idea what price I paid for my pickup or any number of other items that I possess. Does this mean that there isn't a free market on those items?
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Any informed buyer should already know the invoice price before even going into the dealership. It's easily attainable online. Or even a phone call. Not exactly top secret.
 
SVTFreak said:
Any informed buyer should already know the invoice price before even going into the dealership. It's easily attainable online. Or even a phone call. Not exactly top secret.
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Correct. The invoice price is nowhere close to what said dealer actually pays the manufacturer, though, which is why nobody but the dealer owner(s) and maybe manager actually know what the dealership has invested into the vehicle. There are dealer holdbacks and several other factors that go into what a dealer actually pays the manufacturer for a vehicle. That's why I said those people buying those Hellcats had no idea what the dealer actually had into those cars; because they don't. It's none of their business and they shouldn't care.

The same goes for how much someone has into a knife and what they sell it for. The only thing I care about is how much do I want the knife and is the price what I am willing to pay. I could care less what the seller paid for it and even if I did it's none of my business.
 
pwrdbycotn said:
Correct. The invoice price is nowhere close to what said dealer actually pays the manufacturer, though, which is why nobody but the dealer owner(s) and maybe manager actually know what the dealership has invested into the vehicle. There are dealer holdbacks and several other factors that go into what a dealer actually pays the manufacturer for a vehicle. That's why I said those people buying those Hellcats had no idea what the dealer actually had into those cars; because they don't. It's none of their business and they shouldn't care.

The same goes for how much someone has into a knife and what they sell it for. The only thing I care about is how much do I want the knife and is the price what I am willing to pay. I could care less what the seller paid for it and even if I did it's none of my business.
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Then it's not a free market. Do it how you like, but don't claim it's something it isn't.
 
As a general proposition, the market will set the price. That's that.

If there is a beef to be had then its with a maker or manufacturer who doesn't produce enough to go around. I don't believe this to be a credible argument.

The single best thing one can do when they think the price is "abusive" is to move on and wait for the price to come down. You're not "entitled" to a knife. Any knife. Period. Full stop.
 
ooitzoo said:
As a general proposition, the market will set the price. That's that.

If there is a beef to be had then its with a maker or manufacturer who doesn't produce enough to go around. I don't believe this to be a credible argument.

The single best thing one can do when they think the price is "abusive" is to move on and wait for the price to come down. You're not "entitled" to a knife. Any knife. Period. Full stop.
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Agreed, "hot" items and smaller production/sprint runs will bring after market premiums but if you can wait the prices usually stabilize and come down to a more reasonable level (maybe not all of the way to the original price but usually less than the price during the first few months after the release). There are exceptions but not many...
 
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