New Rules for the sale section:

"PM/e-mail inbound..."

Yes, it does.

Dann, I don't agree with this either. I'm never chatty in the "for sale" threads, but I always advise the seller to check his PMs if I send him a question or an offer. I think it's reasonable to let people know that I'm trying to get in touch with them.
 
I missed that. PM / Email inbound is not chatter, it's a declaration of intent to purchase. That isn't chatter at all, Code-3 do not interpret it as such. That said, if people start abusing it, I will start locking thread and banning people.

This is not a time to start rules lawyering folks. Do not try my patience on this, I'm sick of hearing complaints about people doing this and that and trying to get around the very fair rules I've done.

You can either work with me, or work against me, or not take part at all. I'd hope you'd give me a chance before you decide to start butting heads.
 
Now you are getting a little taste of what the non-Busse sellers had to deal with on a daily basis. How could they compete with 10 people selling Busse knives when their buddies bump the threads every hour with praise for the knife and discussion? 72 hours before you can bump up the thread is very reasonable considering the vast amount of Busse knives for sale every day. You'll have to deal with it like everyone else does now but if you choose to pull your sales and not exhibit some patience then that's your choice. I feel it's a good compromise considering it's a privilege to sell here, not a right.

I will reply carefully to this as I can almost hear thin ice cracking beneath my feet...

It may be a privilige to sell here, but it's also one that I chose to pay extra fees for. I even forfeited my GOLD membership to step up to PLATINUM in an effort to support this site better. my GOLD membership is still valid even though no one can use it. I PULLED my sale because the new rules doesn't seem to apply to all. I actually posted on a FS Thread recently because the guy had continued to bump EVERY 12 hrs... an actual violation under the OLD rules. YOU know, because I saw your name on the "members on this thread' list when I was there. Was he warned? HIS thread locked? There is a still a good amount of this going on, which pushed me back faster than it should have, so I closed the thread... And have sold ONE knife so far since I had to bump the listing to lock it.

I'm starting to reverse my position, Maybe segregation IS a better way. ( I CANNOT believe that I just typed those words.)


EDITED TO ADD: K.V. Collucci, I OWE YOU AN APOLOGY!!! Apparently that FS thread WAS locked... He's reopened them under new threads. Again I'm sorry for jumping you about that. :o
 
I missed that. PM / Email inbound is not chatter, it's a declaration of intent to purchase. That isn't chatter at all, Code-3 do not interpret it as such. That said, if people start abusing it, I will start locking thread and banning people.

This is not a time to start rules lawyering folks. Do not try my patience on this, I'm sick of hearing complaints about people doing this and that and trying to get around the very fair rules I've done.

You can either work with me, or work against me, or not take part at all. I'd hope you'd give me a chance before you decide to start butting heads.

THIS clarification will help the situation. PLEASE tell Glockman99, and other Exchange Mods, as he/they also sees the new rules this way. Thank you!

BTW... ARE we ALLOWED to OPEN NEW FS THREADS if our other thread(s) get locked by a Mod??? THAT is starting to happen now TOO... RIGHT NOW there a 3 FS threads entitled THREAD LOCK SALE... "" II... ""III... in a row. How fair is THAT??? ... Doesn't look to be a Busse Seller either... THIS is what I mean. Others yell at "us", then here "we" are watching these types of violations...
 
Slightly different topic but this may help the FS Forums too.

It is and has been my opinion ever since I saw the exchange for the first time as a new member that the thread titles should give enough detail that you can tell what is being sold and if it is still available without opening the thread and reading it.

If BF did this the buyers could fly through 20 pages of for sale items and it wouldn't matter that much if you were on page four.

Look at eBay... do you have to look at the details of an item to figure out if you are interested? No you don't. Do you think that eBay may have put possibly millions into Market research too figure out what works?

So I think that putting many knives in one thread is the wrong way to go.


Also if the person posting the thread could edit its title to show "sold" that would help too.

Tony G
One knife one thread!:thumbup: :thumbup:

 
THIS clarification will help the situation. PLEASE tell Glockman99, and other Exchange Mods, as he/they also sees the new rules this way. Thank you!

Agreed. I think we largly respect all that Spark has done here at Bladeforums and please it is wonderful to be here - its a great place- but perhpas a powow with, the mods (some more than others) to clairfy your rules would help.
 
I will reply carefully to this as I can almost here thin ice cracking beneath my feet...

It may be a privilige to sell here, but it's also one that I chose to pay extra fees for. I even forfeited my GOLD membership to step up to PLATINUM in an effort to support this site better. my GOLD membership is still valid even though no one can use it. I PULLED my sale because the new rules doesn't seem to apply to all. I actually posted on a FS Thread recently because the guy had continued to bump EVERY 12 hrs... an actual violation under the OLD rules. YOU know, because I saw your name on the "members on this thread' list when I was there. Was he warned? HIS thread locked? There is a still a good amount of this going on, which pushed me back faster than it should have, so I closed the thread... And have sold ONE knife so far since I had to bump the listing to lock it.

I'm starting to reverse my position, Maybe segregation IS a better way. ( I CANNOT believe that I just typed those words.)

EDITED TO ADD: K.V. Collucci, I OWE YOU AN APOLOGY!!! Apparently that FS thread WAS locked... He's reopened them under new threads. Again I'm sorry for jumping you about that. :o

In the future if you the rules being violated please report the post. As long as it is reported the proper mods will handle the situation as quickly as possible.

Oh yeah, apology accepted though not necessary. You had a valid point. :)
 
Um, just a question, if ones reports threads, yet nothing happens (eg moderator stepping in). Does one continue to report threads? or just give up?
 
Um, just a question, if ones reports threads, yet nothing happens (eg moderator stepping in). Does one continue to report threads? or just give up?

Give it time. It will be handled. Sometimes the mods of the forum you reported the post from are not online. Other times a Super will step in when they are available to fix the situation. We have lives outside of modding the forum and action is delayed.
 
Spark, I'm not trying to be difficult. Just trying to understand the logic behind the jump from 24 hours to 72 hours.

Not everyone checks the sale boards 24/7. So if there's a three day lag between the times when a seller can bump, then there's greater likelihood of missing folks who might like to buy a knife. What might have sold in three of four days (making both parties happy) may now take 10 or 15 days. Or it might not sell at all because the potential buyer just plain missed it down on page 6.

I guess I'm just asking if these logistics went into the decision-making about the 72-hour rule. In practice, things may work out very differently, but the above is the first thing I thought about when I saw the new rules.
 
greater likelihood of missing folks who might like to buy a knife.

It's the tragedy of the commens issue. Ideally to maximize eyeballs, your post should be on top forever until it sells. That of course is not possible.

72 hours is an attempt to strike a balence between new posts and old posts.
 
I missed that. PM / Email inbound is not chatter, it's a declaration of intent to purchase. That isn't chatter at all, Code-3 do not interpret it as such. That said, if people start abusing it, I will start locking thread and banning people.

Thanks! I don't think Code3 thought that... it was Glockman who made the statement. I'm sure he's seen this by now.
 
Slightly different topic but this may help the FS Forums too.

It is and has been my opinion ever since I saw the exchange for the first time as a new member that the thread titles should give enough detail that you can tell what is being sold and if it is still available without opening the thread and reading it.

If BF did this the buyers could fly through 20 pages of for sale items and it wouldn't matter that much if you were on page four.

Look at eBay... do you have to look at the details of an item to figure out if you are interested? No you don't. Do you think that eBay may have put possibly millions into Market research too figure out what works?

So I think that putting many knives in one thread is the wrong way to go.


Also if the person posting the thread could edit its title to show "sold" that would help too.

Tony G
One knife one thread!:thumbup: :thumbup:


I'm not a Gold member, but am trying to help out here.
So take this for what it's worth.
I'm outside looking "in" at this issue and am looking at it objectively. I have run websites with For Sale sections and seen these types of issues before.

1) MANDATORY DESCRIPTIVE TITLES:
First, TonyG is absolutely correct. "INFI for Sale" is not a good title for a Sale Thread.
How about: "BUSSE Hell Razor: Black w/Black handle-mint $425"
That should easily fit in the Title Section.

The TITLE of the THREAD should contain mandatory info:
BRAND, MODEL, Condition (used/mint/new) , PRICE!

2) Existing Rules were abused to the max. Replies like, "Nice Knife!" , "That will sell quick" , and then the seller responding with "Thank You" were nothing more than Free Bumps. Then there were, of course the blatant, "BTTs" and "BUMPOs" , sometimes 5 per day, with nothing new to say.

3) With all due Respect to Spark. Your ideas are sound, but it's the moustrap theory, if I were selling, and slightly nefarious, I would Post like this:
Title: INFI for Sale inside it would say HellRazer $500

Then I would come back an hour later and lower to $490
Then $480 and so on. This creates almost an auction site.

When I had run out of "slop" in my price, I would start adding description changes. HellRazor Mint. Then Hell Razor Mint Black, and so on.

Then when I had exhausted those options, I wouldstart adding a new pic every 4 hours.

That IS, if I were nefarious or a scoundrel, which I am not, but, I fear you will create more headaches than solve problems. The better moustrap the better mouse.

Go for mandatory full disclosure of info , first shot.
Nothing wrong with "PM Sent" "Received" because it's closing a deal.


4) Perhaps mirror the existing discussion forum, by having Production Knives for Sale split into two Sub threads: Folders for Sale and Fixed for sale.
This sorts by TYPE, not Brand, therefor no one should feel insulted or discriminated against. The browsers will have to "Browse" both sub forums.
Those looking specifically for a SpyderCo folder can go right to FOLDERS for Sale. Those Looking for a BUSSE can go right to FIXED BLADES for Sale.

5) "Received Knife Today looks great!!!" Doesn't belong in the For Sale section? Right? Post it in GBU, or the Discussion boards, with pics and everyone can discuss, ooooh, and ahhhhh over it.
Once money has changed hands, take it outside the For Sale section.

With All Due Respect, I only try to offer some ideas and help with this matter.
I don't sell (obviously) so look at this as from an outsider/buyers perspective.

Good Day and Good Luck.
I know how much trouble it can be running and moderating. if you need moderator help, I know how these sites work.
I currently admin one.

JL

disclaimer: I am not knocking BUSSE, just used their brand name as an example, since I am familiar with it. They are a great bunch of guys and that is what I typically browse for. So, no knock on the HOGS here, onlytryingto help overall.
 
I don't see a need to split folders and fixed blades. I do agree with descriptive titles, unfortunately putting prices in them is a mistake because you are not allowed to edit the title of your thread after 30 minutes or so (IIRC) - so price drops would not be reflected.

The no bumping rules have already been discussed.
 
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