new sage, cf/s90v

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just arrived from ngk.

i really like this one, the cf is nicely textured and grippy.

i like the size of the tmag, but the maglock just isn't strong enough for my tastes.

so, enter the sage, which ive been eyeing for a little while. im getting used to the fact that spyderco has products made in taiwan and china. i used to only buy american made knives. every chinese/taiwanese spydie i have has been perfect out of the box. sharp, great fit/finish, solid lockup.


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I got very excited when I saw the S90V Sage title!

It's an excellent knife, even in S30V :)
 
I really wish Syderco would start making these types in the good ole USA:thumbup:

I have a problem with whipping out my EDC to show someone and it has a huge made in China/Taiwan on it.


That Sage is a sweet knife, and I am sure it is well made like all Spydies, but I won't be EDCing one anytime soon.

I'll stay my USA, Earth, Paramilitary
 
5.56 said:
I really wish Syderco would start making these types in the good ole USA:thumbup:

I have a problem with whipping out my EDC to show someone and it has a huge made in China/Taiwan on it.


That Sage is a sweet knife, and I am sure it is well made like all Spydies, but I won't be EDCing one anytime soon.

I'll stay my USA, Earth, Paramilitary
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You might not do it, but there is at least two problems with having every Spyderco knife made in the USA. One: they don't have the capacity and closely related to that issue is Two: the first complaint for any of the high dollar USA knives is "Oh I would get would get one but it costs too much."

Again not saying you would do that, but that is what the majority would do. Spyderco dances the businessman's complicated dance with his customers of trying to offer what the buying public wants, while earning enough to stay afloat and hopefully make a profit. To complicate the dance steps we have the fickle world's governments and how they will regulate knives, and business in general, along with market conditions such as the price of materials and the strength of the economy.

Here is to Spyderco dancing so well. :cool:
 
5.56 said:
I really wish Syderco would start making these types in the good ole USA:thumbup:

I have a problem with whipping out my EDC to show someone and it has a huge made in China/Taiwan on it.


That Sage is a sweet knife, and I am sure it is well made like all Spydies, but I won't be EDCing one anytime soon.

I'll stay my USA, Earth, Paramilitary
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I have the same issue with the Sage...While I like the knife, and it's fit and finish, I have never EDCed it due to the Taiwan stamping, especially with todays USA economy. While I do uderstand the economics, it doesn't seem to stop Spyderco from producing high end Seki-City knives i.e. Native IV, and the Phoenix for example. I would much rather spend more cash on a USA made Sage, knowing that at least my hard earned money is going back into our economy. I would love to collect the Sage series of knives but that will be highly unlikely as long as they bear a made in Taiwan stamp.

Dave
 
Congrats. That's a good lookin' knife. This one's on my list, but I've been buying way too much lately.
 
DaveReb said:
I have the same issue with the Sage...While I like the knife, and it's fit and finish, I have never EDCed it due to the Taiwan stamping, especially with todays USA economy. While I do uderstand the economics, it doesn't seem to stop Spyderco from producing high end Seki-City knives i.e. Native IV, and the Phoenix for example. I would much rather spend more cash on a USA made Sage, knowing that at least my hard earned money is going back into our economy. I would love to collect the Sage series of knives but that will be highly unlikely as long as they bear a made in Taiwan stamp.

Dave
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Sorry, you're entitled to spend your money as you see fit, but your logic makes me sick to my stomach. It's ok by you to send money to Japan for a well made knife, but not to send it to a country that is the last stronghold for those Chinese who fought with us against the Japanese during WW II and has been a staunch ally of ours ever since. I can tell you, I recently had the pleasure of handling both the new Sage RIL and the Native IV and I would rate the quality of them as equal. I would be saying that even if both blades had been sterile and I had no idea of the CoO or price of either. I will also say I have a number of "high end" Spyderco Seki made and Golden made models with fit and finish no better, and in some cases inferior, to that of the Sage.

Truth is, no matter which way Spyderco jumps, SOMEONE will swear on a stack of bibles they buy it "if only". Hell I do it myself every time they build a really neat design as something other than a mid-lock.

Paul
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The Deacon said:
Sorry, you're entitled to spend your money as you see fit, but your logic makes me sick to my stomach. It's ok by you to send money to Japan for a well made knife, but not to send it to a country that is the last stronghold for those Chinese who fought with us against the Japanese during WW II and has been a staunch ally of ours ever since. I can tell you, I recently had the pleasure of handling both the new Sage RIL and the Native IV and I would rate the quality of them as equal. I would be saying that even if both blades had been sterile and I had no idea of the CoO or price of either. I will also say I have a number of "high end" Spyderco Seki made and Golden made models with fit and finish no better, and in some cases inferior, to that of the Sage.

Truth is, no matter which way Spyderco jumps, SOMEONE will swear on a stack of bibles they buy it "if only". Hell I do it myself every time they build a really neat design as something other than a mid-lock.

Paul
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Sorry my opinion bothered you, which is about the curent state of the US economy. I'm am not "attacking" Spyderco's Taiwan or Japanese quality. As I mentioned in my original thread I feel the Fit and finish on the Sage is excellent. I also never said I would buy Japenese knives and not Taiwan branded knives. I was using the price points of the new Seki-City knives, as an example of high end demand. If people will spend the money on a high end Seki city blade, it could be assumed they would spend it on a Golden Spydie. Just look at the popularity of the Military and Para-Military's. It's just that right, with our the state of our economy, I prefer to spend my money on USA made products, supporting american worker's, and our economy.

Dave
 
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The only knives made in Taiwan you dont want are the factory made churned out rubbish you wouldnt buy any way.

There is custom shops here that are as good as any in the US.
Spyderco are not using a large horror factory and take good care to keep quality as high as it can be,
if its just the stamp thats the problem then fair enough thats your choice.
 
zenheretic said:
You might not do it, but there is at least two problems with having every Spyderco knife made in the USA. One: they don't have the capacity and closely related to that issue is Two: the first complaint for any of the high dollar USA knives is "Oh I would get would get one but it costs too much."

Again not saying you would do that, but that is what the majority would do. Spyderco dances the businessman's complicated dance with his customers of trying to offer what the buying public wants, while earning enough to stay afloat and hopefully make a profit. To complicate the dance steps we have the fickle world's governments and how they will regulate knives, and business in general, along with market conditions such as the price of materials and the strength of the economy.

Here is to Spyderco dancing so well. :cool:
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I agree mostly, but I think it's absurd when people take the stance that companies need to outsource in todays economy. Like they are doing us a favor employing Chinese workers to keep our costs down. There are plenty of people out of work here in the USA that would love to have a job, even if it pays minimum wage. I am sure many people on this forum would love to go to work for Spyderco making knives too. The truth is, it's the almighty dollar and profit that win over in the end. Why would a company pay $7 an hour for labor when they can go abroad and pay $0.50 an hour?

I see only two ways of fixing this problem, one, our govt. needs to levee heavy fines and taxes on all imports from outsourcing. And two, Americans need to stand up and support American companies.

Don't get me wrong, Spyderco makes quality knives and I own some. But as a consumer I will not willingly support this anymore, we are in a recession and very close to the next depression.

So the next time you pull out your EDC, read the label, does it say China or USA on it?

I am proud to say mine says Made in the USA
 
i prefer to buy USA made products, but buying from an american company that outsources may be ok as well.

i think perhaps we tend to think of chinese or taiwanese factories in the same context as the "sweatshops" with little kids making shoes for a dime a week. this is probably a mistake on our part. i dont think anyone here doubts the integrity of sal or his company.
 
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I really like the LL Sage that I picked up a few months ago and I'm eagerly waiting for the RIL Sage...

...but mostly, I'm just playin' with a new Photobucket account.
 
5.56 said:
So the next time you pull out your EDC, read the label, does it say China or USA on it?

I am proud to say mine says Made in the USA
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I'm proud to say mine says Spyderco. What it says on the other side is irrelevant. Wherever they hail from, well over half of them have been customized, mostly here in the USA. That's equally irrelevant, but I figured it might be worth a point or two on your value scale.

As for your other hypothesis, finding people willing to take any given job is a lot easier than finding people competent to perform it who are willing to take it. And I rather doubt any of the competent ones would do it for $7 an hour. Considering that Spyderco is already making more models here in the US than ever, adding additional models to US production might also necessitate capital expenditure, a risky move at any time, but more risky than ever in the current economic climate.

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what does LL and RIL mean?
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Liner lock and Reeve Integral Lock.


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