New Smith revolver

Roger that Tom. Bettter to hit with a 9mm than miss with a .357 or .45 anyday.


The S&W 360PD replaced my G26, G17, G19, and G23 for carry. beat em all out. That says something .:)
 
tyr_shadowblade said:
Again . . . 5 shots of .357 . . . even from a snubbie . . . is more than sufficient for the average person's CCW needs. One shot of .357 Cor-Bon to the center of mass of an unarmored assailant will almost certainly stop their attack. Nearly all attacks repelled by CCW occur within 7 ft, with only a single shot being fired.

If you feel threatened by the possibility of multiple armored assailants armed with machinepistols, then I would agree that a J-frame .357 is insufficient -- and would recommend that you up your meds and use thicker aluminum foil in your headgear. :D
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"more than sufficient for CCW"? i agree. better than 9MM (really irregardless if bbl length)? doubtfull. i have seen pics of both in gel thru denim and they are virtually identical, i would wager ya couldnt tell them apart, i couldnt. the 9MM, 357mag, 357SIG, .45 ACP, all pretty darned close to one another.

with modern ammo, of course.

i prefer an auto just because its easier to carry (for me) has nothing to do with my meds lol, by the way how are your meds doing?? not so well i suppose lol.
 
My EDC is a NAA .22 WMR mini.
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And you talk about other people's headgear? :p In comparison to that a snubby .357 is like a Marine fire team. :p ;)

People are free to carry whatever they choose, or to carry no weapon at all. The problem I see is that people start out hot on CCW, then cool off as they realize that carrying a gun all the time is not much fun. They drop down the continuum of pistols until they carry something that is a gun in name only. It is a talisman more than a weapon. An officer that engages in a gunfight in the line of duty has access to his or her pistol, possibly a BUG, a shotgun, possibly a carbine, is wearing body armor, and possibly most importantly has a radio that can bring in more troops with more guns.

All I'm advocating is to think realistically instead of optimistically. That doesn't mean that every civilian should walk around in Level II armor carrying three pistols and a carbine in the trunk. It means that you should carry what will honestly work versus the threats you may face.
 
m1marty said:
What does it say and how does it beat them out? Pro's/con's over the other pistols mentioned?
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well. hmmm. let's see. i carried glocks for 2 years, then i got a smith revolver, then it beat all of them out for carry. how did it beat them out? well i just choose to carry it over the glocks. why do i? pick your favorite reason marty. it is lighter, more powerful, easier to conceal, revolvers are more reliable than autos, better trigger, doesnt print, 5 shots is all i need, ummm, are any of these suffice?

and to the guy who said he cant a difference in ballistics in a .357 magnum and a 9mm..... first of all, :jerkit: . secondly, you seriously need to open your eyes. the trajectory alone is faster. the penetration is deeper. but i guess some people swear by the 9. :rolleyes:
 
I love 9mm for plinking but I usually carry a 45, 10mm, or 357 sig. I shoot 9mm out of a beretta 92 which is pushing a 115grn bullet at 1400 fps. A factory 125 grn 357 mag out of a 4" barrel will be around 1500 fps. Out of a 1"-2" barrel it will be more like 1200 fps. In balistic gel the 9mm will outperform the 357 mag in a 1"-2" barrel. 115 grn 9mm at 1400 fps = 500.38 ft lbs of energy where as the 125 grn 357 mag at 1200 fps = 399.60 ft lbs of energy. The 9mm clearly wins. Now shoot that 357 mag out of a 4" barrel at 1500 fps and you get 624.37 ft lbs of energy :D. I would take a 357 to a gun fight over a 9mm any day but the stats speak for themself. I dont want to start a thread war but I just thought I would give yall some food for thought.
 
and to the guy who said he cant a difference in ballistics in a .357 magnum and a 9mm..... first of all, . secondly, you seriously need to open your eyes. the trajectory alone is faster. the penetration is deeper. but i guess some people swear by the 9.


Care to elaborate on this in English, without the jerkit smilie?

.357 ballistics from a 1 7/8" barrell are nothing special
 
ashtxsniper said:
I love 9mm for plinking but I usually carry a 45, 10mm, or 357 sig. I shoot 9mm out of a beretta 92 which is pushing a 115grn bullet at 1400 fps. A factory 125 grn 357 mag out of a 4" barrel will be around 1500 fps. Out of a 1"-2" barrel it will be more like 1200 fps. In balistic gel the 9mm will outperform the 357 mag in a 1"-2" barrel. 115 grn 9mm at 1400 fps = 500.38 ft lbs of energy where as the 125 grn 357 mag at 1200 fps = 399.60 ft lbs of energy. The 9mm clearly wins. Now shoot that 357 mag out of a 4" barrel at 1500 fps and you get 624.37 ft lbs of energy :D. I would take a 357 to a gun fight over a 9mm any day but the stats speak for themself. I dont want to start a thread war but I just thought I would give yall some food for thought.
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agreed on the effectiveness of the rounds, though disagree on a couple points, not that you are wrong, just from my perspective.

1. concealability: i find revolvers difficult to conceal because of the bulge from the cylinder. iwb they are uncomfortable imo, and the cylinder creates an obvious print often times. autos, being relatively flat, ride iwb far more comfortably. though the glock is very thick.

2. reliability: when revolvers fail, they do so catastrophically (sp?). cylinder wont open, turn, or becomes misaligned. ever looked inside? lots of little springs and gears, like a watch. when an auto malfunctions, it is fairly easy to fix, unless there is a broken part.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
1. concealability: i find revolvers difficult to conceal because of the bulge from the cylinder. iwb they are uncomfortable imo, and the cylinder creates an obvious print often times. autos, being relatively flat, ride iwb far more comfortably. though the glock is very thick.

2. reliability: when revolvers fail, they do so catastrophically (sp?). cylinder wont open, turn, or becomes misaligned. ever looked inside? lots of little springs and gears, like a watch. when an auto malfunctions, it is fairly easy to fix, unless there is a broken part.
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:D Just my 2 cents worth but just having a gun sometimes is enough to keep you safe. This thread went from a look what my new Smith is to a 9MM Auto and .357 revolver thread. I just bought one of those snubbies also- AWESOME!!!
It is WAY more concealable than a Glock. I have had Rugers, springfield XD's,smith autos, kimbers, springfield 1911's, etc... The compact .357 is by far my favorite. I dont understand how an auto can be more concealable? Maybe a compact auto can be concealed AS easily but then you still have a 9MM with a short barrel...
Also has anyone looked inside the slide and handle of an auto? lots of little springs and parts in there also :D
I am 30 years old and have shot a few guns in my day, I have had autos stovepipe, not eject, etc, yet I have never had a revolver fail to feed or eject!
FIVE FOR SURE!!!!!
Congrats on your purchase, I hope the smith continues to shine!
 
wh4f said:
Just my 2 cents worth but just having a gun sometimes is enough to keep you safe. This thread went from a look what my new Smith is to a 9MM and .357 thread. I just bought one of those snubbies also- AWESOME!!!
It is WAY more concealable than a Glock, lets be real... I have had Rugers, springfield XD's,smith autos, kimbers, springfield 1911's, etc... The compact .357 is by far my favorite. I dont understand how an auto can be more concealable? Maybe a compact auto can be concealed AS easily but then you still have a 9MM with a short barrel...
Also has anyone looked inside the slide and handle of an auto? lots of little springs and parts in there also?:confused: Sheesh :D
I am 30 years old and have shot a few guns in my day, I have had autos stovepipe, not eject, etc, yet I have never had a revolver fail to feed or eject!
FIVE FOR SURE!!!!!
Congrats on your purchase, I hope the smith continues to shine!
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dude, just some opinions. i find a revolver hard to conceal and uncomfortable. not everyone does, like i said, that is MY opinion.

i have seen revolvers fail. i never said they fail to eject, im not an idiot. i have seen cylinders fail to align properly, and thus have failed to feed.

take a breath.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
dude, just some opinions. i find a revolver hard to conceal and uncomfortable. not everyone does, like i said, that is MY opinion.

i have seen revolvers fail. i never said they fail to eject, im not an idiot. i have seen cylinders fail to align properly, and thus have failed to feed.

take a breath.
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I'm not worked up sorry if it came across that way, thats why I posted this;
:D (and this)
Just my 2 cents worth but just having a gun sometimes is enough to keep you safe.

We all have our own opinions, I am just glad he likes his Smith!
The main thing with self defense is having the defense with you. If someone were to buy a Glock and not carry it because its too bulky/heavy it doesnt do them any good. The best defense is to have one that is convenient to carry and can be shot well.

For the record also,
All of the autos I owned jammed at least once (some more) EXCEPT for my Ruger P90 and P89. They would shoot sand if they could :D
None of the revolvers, yeah none of 'em, ever failed to fire to date...

Again Congrats on the Smith purchase, How about some (shot up target) pics and group sizes? :D please
 
wh4f said:
I'm not worked up sorry if it came across that way, thats why I posted this;
:D (and this)
Just my 2 cents worth but just having a gun sometimes is enough to keep you safe.

We all have our own opinions, I am just glad he likes his Smith!
The main thing with self defense is having the defense with you. If someone were to buy a Glock and not carry it because its too bulky/heavy it doesnt do them any good. The best defense is to have one that is convenient to carry and can be shot well.
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righty-o, sorry if i reacted incorrectly.

agreed on the glock opinion. a glock is not my first choice for concealment either. i can actually conceal a full size gov't model w/light easier than any glock.

the smith snubbies are awesome, i recommend them to anyone.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
righty-o, sorry if i reacted incorrectly.

agreed on the glock opinion. a glock is not my first choice for concealment either. i can actually conceal a full size gov't model w/light easier than any glock.

the smith snubbies are awesome, i recommend them to anyone.
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Thats fine! Its hard to covey actual "feelings" on the net!

I think I would take ANY gun before no gun! :D
 
wh4f said:
Just my 2 cents worth but just having a gun sometimes is enough to keep you safe. This thread went from a look what my new Smith is to a 9MM and .357 thread. I just bought one of those snubbies also- AWESOME!!!
It is WAY more concealable than a Glock, lets be real... I have had Rugers, springfield XD's,smith autos, kimbers, springfield 1911's, etc... The compact .357 is by far my favorite. I dont understand how an auto can be more concealable? Maybe a compact auto can be concealed AS easily but then you still have a 9MM with a short barrel...
Also has anyone looked inside the slide and handle of an auto? lots of little springs and parts in there also?:confused: Sheesh :D
I am 30 years old and have shot a few guns in my day, I have had autos stovepipe, not eject, etc, yet I have never had a revolver fail to feed or eject!
FIVE FOR SURE!!!!!
Congrats on your purchase, I hope the smith continues to shine!
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Here we go:

For example: Glock 26 is just as easily concealed and packs more than double the capacity of the 5-shot revolver.

In a 1 7/8" barrel the ballistics of a 125g .357 aren't much better than a hot 115g 9mm, but it has much more blast and flash.

Another point worth mentioning is your reload, speedloaders are tough to conceal and speedstrips or dump pouches require dexterity that you may not have under stress.

9mm burns quick and doesn't suffer much loss of velocity from a shorter barrel whereas the .357 burns slowly relying on barrel length to get those impressive ballistics.

Regarding the comments of auto vs revolver reliabilty: you have to understand that a revolver is fragile when compared to an auto. If the cylinder of a revolver becomes misaligned for whatever reason, "5 for sure" becomes throw the gun at him and RUN! I had a sweetheart of a Speed Six that fell off my coffee table onto a wood floor that bent the cylinder pin rendering it useless. That gun never malfunctioned once with thousands of rounds through it, but it fell off the table one day and had to be disassembled and repaired due to a simple accident. Autos can handle much more abuse without malfunctioning.
 
Rhesus Feces said:
Here we go:

For example: Glock 26 is just as easily concealed and packs more than double the capacity of the 5-shot revolver.

In a 1 7/8" barrel the ballistics of a 125g .357 aren't much better than a hot 115g 9mm, but it has much more blast and flash.

Another point worth mentioning is your reload, speedloaders are tough to conceal and speedstrips or dump pouches require dexterity that you may not have under stress.

9mm burns quick and doesn't suffer much loss of velocity from a shorter barrel whereas the .357 burns slowly relying on barrel length to get those impressive ballistics.

Regarding the comments of auto vs revolver reliabilty: you have to understand that a revolver is fragile when compared to an auto. If the cylinder of a revolver becomes misaligned for whatever reason, "5 for sure" becomes throw the gun at him and RUN! I had a sweetheart of a Speed Six that fell off my coffee table onto a wood floor that bent the cylinder pin rendering it useless. That gun never malfunctioned once with thousands of rounds through it, but it fell off the table one day and had to be disassembled and repaired due to a simple accident. Autos can handle much more abuse without malfunctioning.
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Dont forget though the .357 isn't limited to light weight bullets either...
and revolvers arent "that" fragile :D .
I would still rather have any gun than no gun :D
 
I knew the thread would turn into a caliber war. Unfortunate. And some mod gave me an infraction for saying "hell." LOL!!!! If we are not mature enough to say words like "hell" should we really be on an internet forum in the first place???

Back to the gun. I just find the arguement that a .357 from the 360PD is no different from a 115 gr 9mm a crock. I am sorry, after shooting both, side by side, not only the recoil, but the point of entry is much more devastating with the .357 mag than the 9mm. I cant believe this is even brought up. .357 vs 9mm - LOL!
 
Believe it, you'd be hard pressed to get 1250 fps from a 125g .357 from a 1 7/8" barrel.

All that blast and flash is for NOTHING.
 
reconseed said:
I knew the thread would turn into a caliber war. Unfortunate. And some mod gave me an infraction for saying "hell." LOL!!!! If we are not mature enough to say words like "hell" should we really be on an internet forum in the first place???

Back to the gun. I just find the arguement that a .357 from the 360PD is no different from a 115 gr 9mm a crock. I am sorry, after shooting both, side by side, not only the recoil, but the point of entry is much more devastating with the .357 mag than the 9mm. I cant believe this is even brought up. .357 vs 9mm - LOL!
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It's easy to get wound up about numbers and stats........that said, there are quite a few folks here that are very knowlegable in the ways of the gun. Might type less and read more instead of trying to convince us (or mebbe yourself?) on the points you bring up. YMMV.;)

Congrats on the new gun and that's all the more I will say on this subject in light of the forum this thread is in.
 
Well regardless of the debate you got a really good quality piece that will stop a perp permanently. Hope you never are forced to use it but glad to know there are good citizens carrying quality equipment.
 
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