New Spyderco Mule Team made in Taiwan?

[skyhorse]

Where are you guys buying all these amazing made in the USA computers you're posting with?

 

[dishcore]

I think the thing a lot of the anti-taiwan folks are missing here is that Spyderco BOUGHT the S110V from Crucible in NEW YORK, SHIPPED it to TAIWAN to have it ground into knives, and then SHIPPED IT BACK TO GOLDEN to sell to us. If they hadn't done this, it was either wait longer for S110V or not get it at all.

It's the same as a Ford Focus that was built in Mexico.

And to those that aren't familiar, Taiwan is a FAR stretch from Thailand or mainland China (those are the things you think about with the crappy work conditions and terrible pay, etc. etc.)

Taiwan's Spyderco blades have time and again been shown to have a higher quality standard than those of the Golden, CO models.

Also, don't confuse Taiwan with China. The Chinese low budget knives are certainly available, and you can read about it here from the mouth of the man himself:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/572208-USA-made?highlight=usa

Also, the next few Mules will likely be Taiwan stamped. The people creating the knives over there are people too, you know? They have lives and hobbies apart from work just like we do. What makes you so high and mighty to denounce and slander the things they made purely because of where they made it? What if they did that to you? We all live on the same planet, what makes your chunk of land so much more important?

 

[sodak]

It's a global economy. I couldn't care less about where a knife is made. If the quality is good and price also, I'll buy it.

I quit buying American cars in 1987 when I got my first Honda and 1988 with my first Toyota truck. Those are the only 2 brands I've bought since then, and we have put over 700,000 miles on those brands between my wife and I. I can count all the trouble I've had over those miles on the fingers of one hand, and still have 2 or 3 fingers left over. I got really tired of having to work on my cars all the time before that. It's called competition, and it's a very good thing. IMO, the only thing more corrupt than a corporation is a union.

 

[The Deacon]

I think we're all entitled to spend our money as we see fit. I certainly see no harm with someone preferring to purchase a product made in their own country when that choice is available and understand that there are also products where a "locally made" choice will not be available. I do find some folk's rationale for limiting their choices to countries "A", "B", and "C", but not "X", "Y", and "Z" a bit odd, but am sure there are those who'd find some of my choices equally so. As others have noted, Spyderco has been a "global" company from the start and have created and provided jobs in this country with the profits from knives made elsewhere. As for the S110V Mule, again as noted, it's most certainly not the first Mule to be made overseas.

 

[nccole]

Where are you guys buying all these amazing made in the USA computers you're posting with?

Good point, and one that is made often. I love the Taichung Spydies personally, and have no issue with it. Interestingly though, on the back of my Moto X cell phone, it says "DESIGNED & ASSEMBLED IN THE USA" I suppose I take a certain amount of pride that I carry the only phone that carries that distinction. Odd thing is, it cost no more than the average smart phone, and it has been a great phone so far. I would like to see and support companies that supply American jobs, and Spyderco is one of them. They may not be a 100% American job company, but they have created many, and would not be around if they didn't jump on the global economy ride. If you don't, you will likely fail.

 

[skyhorse]

The quality of a Spyderco product is surely "closely" monitored regardless of where it's made.

 

[JNewell]

Good point, and one that is made often. I love the Taichung Spydies personally, and have no issue with it. Interestingly though, on the back of my Moto X cell phone, it says "DESIGNED & ASSEMBLED IN THE USA" I suppose I take a certain amount of pride that I carry the only phone that carries that distinction. Odd thing is, it cost no more than the average smart phone, and it has been a great phone so far. I would like to see and support companies that supply American jobs, and Spyderco is one of them. They may not be a 100% American job company, but they have created many, and would not be around if they didn't jump on the global economy ride. If you don't, you will likely fail.

Nit that may or may not be minor to some: "assembled" is not the same as "made."

 

[The Deacon]

Where are you guys buying all these amazing made in the USA computers you're posting with?

Good point, and one that is made often.

Just because it gets repeated a lot doesn't make it a valid point. There are some products where one's only choice is to buy something made elsewhere, or not own it at all. There are some where buying domestic is possible, but only at a huge premium. Then there are other products where one can choose between buying domestic or foreign at similar prices and levels of quality. For US consumers, computers fall into the first group, knives into the third. Anyone who doesn't see that is not looking very hard.

 

[bh49]

"assembled" is not the same as "made."

Agree, not the same. But better than nothing.

 

[salmonkiller]

Agree, not the same. But better than nothing.

I agree..
What puzzles me is that some knives say Made in USA and have M390 steel.I only know of one knife company that has switched from M390 to CPM-20CV.Is M390 produced domestically?

 

[Ankerson]

I agree..
What puzzles me is that some knives say Made in USA and have M390 steel.I only know of one knife company that has switched from M390 to CPM-20CV.Is M390 produced domestically?

No, it's imported.

And CPM 20CV is NEW, Crucible just started producing it lately...

 

[salmonkiller]

No, it's imported.

And CPM 20CV is NEW, Crucible just started producing it lately...

Thank you

 

[JCP1969]

Where are you guys buying all these amazing made in the USA computers you're posting with?

computer ?, I'm sending messages in bottles and I talk on a conk shell to a beachcomber, thanks for posting beachcombers. now you can be confused

 

[SURVIVE!]

They couldn't stand me bugging them any more for a domestic equivalent. lol Glad I didn't give up though, this steel is fantastic. We even did a plant tour of Niagara Specialty metals, to see some of the very first sheets being rolled. Those guys up there are amazing. I'll edit this post in a bit if I can throw all of the footage together into a video... Sorry, off topic, this thread just came across my feed.

No, it's imported.

And CPM 20CV is NEW, Crucible just started producing it lately...

 

[Ankerson]

They couldn't stand me bugging them any more for a domestic equivalent. lol Glad I didn't give up though, this steel is fantastic. We even did a plant tour of Niagara Specialty metals, to see some of the very first sheets being rolled. Those guys up there are amazing. I'll edit this post in a bit if I can throw all of the footage together into a video... Sorry, off topic, this thread just came across my feed.

Yes, I remember, I figured you would ring in soon.

 

[Jroden5446]

Meh, nevermind

 

[JNewell]

Agree, not the same. But better than nothing.

Agreed, and probably about all we can expect!

 

[skyhorse]

computer ?, I'm sending messages in bottles and I talk on a conk shell to a beachcomber, thanks for posting beachcombers. now you can be confused

Lol,I knew the internet thing would never last.

 

[Stays Sharp]

Just because it gets repeated a lot doesn't make it a valid point. There are some products where one's only choice is to buy something made elsewhere, or not own it at all. There are some where buying domestic is possible, but only at a huge premium. Then there are other products where one can choose between buying domestic or foreign at similar prices and levels of quality. For US consumers, computers fall into the first group, knives into the third. Anyone who doesn't see that is not looking very hard.

It's just an example that is often used because it's a quick dose of reality when someone says "BLEH! I hate Spyderco and Taiwan knives! Foreign Crap!". Comments we hear all too often. It's not a matter of not looking hard enough and the very folks who have an open mind to knives and other products made abroad (Italian shoes, German guns, whatever... infinite examples) have nothing against supporting our own US made goods whenever they can. It's the hypocrisy that gets people to to cite examples like the irony of saying "America YEAHHHHHHHH! I hate Spyderco for making foreign knives"... Such is the irony when practically everything else they own IS foreign... Example: Not giving a hoot where their fancy wristwatch is made from when there are American watchmakers if they so choose. Perhaps computers aren't the Godly perfect example but its the most direct... and it leaves it wide open to make one stop and think hey...Not only is my PC made somewhere else, but so is my TV, all of my clothes, my wife's purses, shoes, the cat tree my cat sleeps on, my fancy 60 inch TV... Yeah pick and choose, your point makes sense Deacon, you always do but people get tired of hypocrisy. Support US goods as much as we can, but dont me a damn hypocrite about it. "Screw Spyderco! Go BM and ZT, all USA BABY...WOOO!" Little do they know that ZT is a Japanese company and the founder of BM is Filipino and was heavily influenced by their traditional knives which got him to start his brand(Just cited to show that one way or another we are dealing with the world as a whole.) It's a global economy people, open your eyes. You want to buy US knives only? Go ahead, but don't be stupid about it and go to the forums to tell the world that the worse thing in mankind are foreign made knives.

 

[skyhorse]

Just because it gets repeated a lot doesn't make it a valid point. There are some products where one's only choice is to buy something made elsewhere, or not own it at all. There are some where buying domestic is possible, but only at a huge premium. Then there are other products where one can choose between buying domestic or foreign at similar prices and levels of quality. For US consumers, computers fall into the first group, knives into the third. Anyone who doesn't see that is not looking very hard.

I'm confused,so by that logic if Chris Reeve had not moved to the USA his knives would not be as good?