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Nice piece! I'd get one in Cali except we need to have the extra long fake suppressor attached perm
 
mtngunr said:
Please go somewhere else with anti-gun rant...Back to subject, safely over SBR/SBS min length by a good 4"....what is weight with all gizmos?....actual weight.....i ask as most guys i know of end up with something near Garand and then the handy thing just stays at home....is this gas impingement or op rod action?...i hope gas piston....i loathed my AR in combat...had to keep wet to keep running and increased fouling while oil mist in eyes while firing....used a good (there are sorry ones) AK every chance i could get....
mtngunr said:
It is a long stroke gas piston just like the AK47, hence its reliability. It replaced the Galil in the Israeli military. The Galil's reputation for reliability is legendary. The Tavor had proved just as if not more reliable than the Galil/Ak platform. It has been in service with the Israeli military for over a decade now and has been adopted by over twenty nations as their primary assault rifle. The military nam is the Tar21. Its reputation has already been set in stone. It is the premier bullpup rifle on the market. Steel trigger components and 7 years of government funded research created this rifle. It wasn't developed in the commercial market. It was developed By IWI Israeli Weapons Industries. It is probably the most combat tested weapon in recent history.


Look up the Tar-21. Its reputation is on par with the AK with accuracy of an AR platform all in a smg size package. perfection!!!

Oh... To answer your question. Out of the box it weighs 8.1 pound with tritium back up sights inside the rail. I added a Meprolight RDS that weighs 11ounces. I also have a poly nightstick light. The rail is T6 aluminum and only weighs 2oz more than stock. The whole unit on my scale with sling is 9.4lbs. You need to understand that all the weight is in the rear and not the front like a traditional design. I can hold the rifle out with one hand like a pistol and fire a mag full accurately. I can also hold it to my shoulder with one hand unsupported for ever... A standard AR platform will tire you out in five minutes.

This is the most researched, tested, and proven bullpup around. It has literally changed the way people look at bullpup's. The AUG has been around since the 70's yet the Tavor is dominating it in every category
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Being a big fan of the bullpup concept and also of pistons, if it has turned out to be reliable, it totally outclasses our current weapon and the one we have basically had my entire military career.....luckily we had other old stuff (M14/M3/etc) still available to us as well as captured weapons, and best armorers so did not depend entire on the AR...i have dearly wished we could get the government to switch but they have too much money to count sunk into them....even the DEA has thousands and you should look at THEIR weapon and ammo procurement numbers..
 
Dayum! A lil Tavor and a bit of Krav Maga go a long wayz! Id have to take that thing apart to really understand it but the mag release looks like the finest thing i ever seen. So when you put a new mag in you hit the bolt release and your ready to go? No pull back nuthin...just ready to go? The piston is already charged and ready to go? Pardon my ignorance but this seems way too easy:D. ...and a hell of a lot of fun.

Bawanna says: Its still one bullet at a time no matter what it looks like.
Im guessing thats where that 4# trigger pull comes in or he had one bad ass finger?
 
If that uses AR mags, it should take AK-47 mags. I've filed the lugs off several ChiCom made mags to fit mt CAR-15. I enjoy the extra ammo capability.
 
ndoghouse said:
Dayum! A lil Tavor and a bit of Krav Maga go a long wayz! Id have to take that thing apart to really understand it but the mag release looks like the finest thing i ever seen. So when you put a new mag in you hit the bolt release and your ready to go? No pull back nuthin...just ready to go? The piston is already charged and ready to go? Pardon my ignorance but this seems way too easy:D. ...and a hell of a lot of fun.

Bawanna says: Its still one bullet at a time no matter what it looks like.
Im guessing thats where that 4# trigger pull comes in or he had one bad ass finger?
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Correct... no need to pull on the charging handle. Just insert the mag and when it seated home press the button behind the mag to release the bolt. There is a trick once you get use to grabbing the mags in the right spot. You can trigger the bolt release with your thumb in one solid motion as you push the magazine home. Its faster than AR mag changes which is the gold standard.

Here is a good video of the complete take down. The trigger pack is the coolest part, two push pins and the whole unit falls out. The barrel comes out with a simple quarter turn of the locking bolt.
[video=youtube;SkQ05rl8aZE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkQ05rl8aZE[/video]
 
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christcl said:
Nice piece! I'd get one in Cali except we need to have the extra long fake suppressor attached perm
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I hear ya man. Cali has some weird laws... the stupid magazine button is the worst! I live in a restrictive state too, I cant have a threaded muzzle or bayonet lug :rolleyes:... My muzzle compensator is welded in position and the lug has been removed. I really don't mind not having a bayonet lug on a bullpup. Bullpups are kinda short for bayonet charges. I really like the stock break that came with it. It is very effective and reminds me of the Jerry Miculek designed model and if you look close you will notice the side vents on the compensator match the side vents of the receiver. You can see the cocking tube through those vents.
 
Bawanna said:
Its still one bullet at a time no matter what it looks like.
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Full auto is way overrated. The United States Marine Corps M16 A2/A4 don't even have a full auto option. Three round burst is all you get in the Marines for good reason. Semi auto aimed fire is the most reliable way to get hits. Full auto is good for cover fire and for squad automatic weapons but I prefer aimed fire for conventional weapons. Did you see the video of Jerry emptying 40 rounds on target in under 7 seconds buddy? That was with semi auto only...

Please watch Bawanna buddy...
[video=youtube;cjx4KSKHIC4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjx4KSKHIC4[/video]

Notice the lack of muzzle rise due to the design and comp. No need for full auto
 
gurkha berserka said:
Full auto is way overrated. The United States Marine Corps M16 A2/A4 don't even have a full auto option. Three round burst is all you get in the Marines for good reason. Semi auto aimed fire is the most reliable way to get hits. Full auto is good for cover fire and for squad automatic weapons but I prefer aimed fire for conventional weapons. Did you see the video of Jerry emptying 40 rounds on target in under 7 seconds buddy? That was with semi auto only...

Please watch Bawanna buddy...
[video=youtube;cjx4KSKHIC4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjx4KSKHIC4[/video]

Notice the lack of muzzle rise due to the design and comp. No need for full auto
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Semi is the way to go, but if you do need full auto you need a lot of it, not three rounds-they should just issue semis i they're sticking with that. The company I worked for had full auto lowers, and handled right they could be pretty useful-just wouldn't work as general issue.
I've never been able to get used to the balance of bullpups-that and trying to retrain mag changes. The Tavor is a neat system, though.
I think most people buy the 16.5 because a) shortness and b) for civilian use, (unless the poo and the air circulation device have truly become one) the carbine/5.56 is a 175-200m system-(remember I said civilian) and outside of that it's not my problem...(it'll hit waaaay past that, but that's where m193 and the OTM's still do their thing. Even a 14.5.)
GB, I'm with you on the bayonet lug...even on an m4 you can almost out reach the bayonet with an e tool or tomahawk.
More useful to be able to whomp stuff with the flash hider anyway...that hurts a lot...
 
If your still thinking about optics, definitely check out the Mini Acog, pretty nice optic in a very compact size and fits very well on top of the Tavor. I had on at my shop and put it on one of our Tavors and man if it didnt look good and man it sold fast. That rifle will serve you well for ever, and pretty sure Geissele makes a trigger for it as well, they cost a penny but well worth it.
 
Mmmmm Giessele....
I had to dump my red dot because of my eyes- red . looked like red , ...irons for me.
 
pugs75 said:
If your still thinking about optics, definitely check out the Mini Acog, pretty nice optic in a very compact size and fits very well on top of the Tavor. I had on at my shop and put it on one of our Tavors and man if it didnt look good and man it sold fast. That rifle will serve you well for ever, and pretty sure Geissele makes a trigger for it as well, they cost a penny but well worth it.
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I already purchased an ACOG. You can see it in the bottom two pictures. It's a full size TA11 3.5x... I am putting it back on my AR and I am sticking with the Meprolight RDS... It was designed for the Tavor so its probably the best choice for my purposes. The dot is 1.8 Moa... I have a hard time with EOtechs, they look all sparkly and flair with my old eyes. The RDS seems to work with my eyes better than my EOTECHS. The Bullpup design lends itself to fast transition shots and I think the red dot will be best for CQB and home defense. My ACOG was nice but seemed out of place on a lil bullpup. I'll take some pictures of the RDS mounted... I like all of your opinions and would like to know how you think it looks.
 
If its priced like their HK trigger you could buy like 1/4th of a Tavor. (Not that I have room to talk since I have the SD-E trigger)
 
Lets just say that fully auto is the soldier's choice and 3round burst was the bean counters choice. When I was in the Army we still had M16s that were full auto. And yes, we used it a LOT. when you can't see what you are shooting at because of jungle bush, the amount of lead down range killing trees is what makes the difference NOT how many times out of X you hit what you are aiming at. We didn't aim about half the time. And the Men on the front line aimed even less often... Trust me, fully auto IS an advantage in many situations.
 
We can agree to disagree... I see it as a waste of good ammo. One shot one kill. Know your target then engage. I am not in a squad and I don't need suppressive fire, I am a lone wolf defending myself and my family. There have been many tests over the years usin 30round mag dumps vs 30 round rapid aimed fire. You will be lucky to get a 10 rounds on target @ 25 yards by just dumping the mag spraying and praying. Rapid, aimed semi auto fire is only marginally slower than full auto yet you can expect the majority of the rounds to be on target.

A cool headed person using controlled semi auto fire is much more dangerous foe than a person with full auto dumping mags at you. It's marksmanship 101... I know it's different when bullets are whizzing by your head, but as long as you can keep a cool head you will always be better with semi auto fire.
 
I'd get full auto if I could but I doubt I could afford the ammo for that.

Khukuris are inexpensive compared to keeping modern guns fed.
 
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