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Has Red Scorpion Six said where these knives were made? (what country)
Is Dave Beck getting any money for HIS Design?
Just curious, seems many on this forum encourage people to copy Daves design, but how many of them are willing to pay Dave for his Copyrighted Design or get permission?
 
Allen242 said:
Is Dave Beck getting any money for HIS Design?
Just curious, seems many on this forum encourage people to copy Daves design, but how many of them are willing to pay Dave for his Copyrighted Design or get permission?
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If you've managed to miss multiple discussions of this issue on various fora, including this one, then you're not very smart and you haven't tried very hard to get the facts.

I'm not sure what it would mean to copyright a design (and neither, I'm sure, do you), but there is no relevant patent in this space. The only relevant trademark covers the term "Tom Brown Tracker", which is owned by Tom Brown, Jr. and is used under license by TOPS.

Dave Beck can no longer make these knives, and it is my understanding that he has opened up the design to anyone who wants to make a WSK.
 
Chardin if you can find these mulltiple discussions and post links i am also interested in the matter. I did a search and came up with little about the legality.
 
Chardin, if you read my posts from long before you or Mr Pullen were here you would find I do know a little more about the Dave Beck and TOPS issue. I also know Cliff is correct in his post #64 at More Tracker WSK discussion - Hunted and you are incorrect in your assumption stated in #67. "Copyright law" is different for custom makers than it is for manufacturers/importers. But my first question has still not been answered, that is which country were these knives made in?
 
Allen242 said:
Chardin, if you read my posts from long before you or Mr Pullen were here you would find I do know a little more about the Dave Beck and TOPS issue.
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I read your posts; I saw no special knowledge displayed there.

Allen242 said:
I also know Cliff is correct in his post #64 at More Tracker WSK discussion - Hunted
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Cliff asks questions in that post; he makes no statements. Are you saying that the answer to his questions is "yes", and if so, what's your evidence?

Allen242 said:
and you are incorrect in your assumption stated in #67.
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Which assumption? The summary of patent law, which is a summary of fact? The summary of the "Tom Brown Tracker" trademark, which is a summary of fact?

In any case, if you have an issue with something I've said, you should state your issue and present your evidence.

Allen242 said:
"Copyright law" is different for custom makers than it is for manufacturers/importers.
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Oh, for crying out loud. It's not copyright law! It's patent law! PATENT LAW!

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has a nice, simple website explaining these distinctions. Please read this before you post again in this thread.

Allen242 said:
But my first question has still not been answered, that is which country were these knives made in?
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That's a shame. Perhaps if you put up some evidence for your claims, someone will be motivated to tell you that these knives are manufactured in, say, China.
 
Wow...guys...come on. It is really sad to come here and see so much hostility towards one another where we should be coming here in a unison of interest (knives). There are way to many arguments that start over the smallest and most insignificant things. Can we not come here without these chips on our shoulders, and the mentality that each of us think we know it all? If the argument so desparately needs to take place, why don't we handle it in personal mails or something? This used to be a fun place to come and read, but now it just depresses me to come to BF because there is always some kind of argument. This is not an attack, rather a plea. Enjoy your weekends fellas and relax a bit.
 
Chardin, i mean on bladeforums. I don't plan registering to that forum just to view a discussion. If there are any here please show.
 
Mr. Chardin you should check the rules about posting links to other forums here. But since you did, I think Jindydiver made the point that a maker’s reputation is important and the ethical responsibility is to get permission first. Your premise that this is a "Patent" issue is incorrect. The right to mass-produce a design may be transferred, in this case from Mr. Beck to Mr. Brown. That right can then be licensed to others, in this case TOPS Knives. (http://www.topsknives.com/whatsnew/trackernews.htm) Once the original design is published in a trade magazine such as BLADE Magazine it becomes "Copyrighted" for purposes of manufacturing or import. To get around that you must change the features of the knife by at least 7%. Changing the scale of a feature does not count. These rules do not apply to custom makers of "an insignificant amount" of copies. As I see it the only change to the Predator was to add holes in the guard, which by the way is a "Registered Trademark" of Busse Knives as of 1/28/03.

As to why my request for the manufacturers country of origin. There are only a few manufacturers in this country that can make 1000 knives of this type (Arrowhead, etc). People who use them label them "made in America" as a statement of pride. The handles on the predator appear to be from imported Micarta. You can tell by the significantly darker and wider bands with fewer layers per inch. I was only asking what country these were made in not making judgement about the quality of the blades. I feel if these questions had been answered up front there would have been less controversy for RS6. As to your next question, where can you find the above legal information. Ask some of the "old time" knife manufacturers such as Jerry Busse or Mike Fuller. :)
 
Sure makes me want to ask a question:D On second thought:foot:
I think somebody needs some meds or a hug! Way to turn a crapy thread into a really crapy thread. Thanks:thumbup:
Jeff
 
Jeff M. said:
Sure makes me want to ask a question:D On second thought:foot:
I think somebody needs some meds or a hug! Way to turn a crapy thread into a really crapy thread. Thanks:thumbup:
Jeff
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Shuts Your comment up your .....
What's the matter with you?? Grow up Jeff....boy
 
ishiyumisan said:
Shuts Your comment up your .....
What's the matter with you?? Grow up Jeff....boy[/SIZE][/COLOR]
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I quess one would have to have a certain level of intelligence to see that this is exactly what i'm talking about! You are not worth my time buddy:jerkit:
Jeff
 
Jeff M. said:
I quess one would have to have a certain level of intelligence to see that this is exactly what i'm talking about! You are not worth my time buddy:jerkit:
Jeff
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Grow up grow up grow up ;)
 
Cougar Allen said:
Ishiyumisan, have a look at Sticky: Quick and dirty rules; or, How not to get Banned from BladeForums.com -- especially the part about personal attacks. We're talking about knives here, not about each other.

Some of the others here might have a look at that too....
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ishiyumisan said:
Shuts Your comment up your .....
What's the matter with you?? Grow up Jeff....boy
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Have another look at the rules. I'm not going to keep telling you that.... If you want to play at Bladeforums you have to play nice.

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Allen242 said:
Mr. Chardin you should check the rules about posting links to other forums here.
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I notice you didn't provide a link to any such rules. I certainly didn't find any, nor has any moderator pointed out any such rules. Can you provide more specific information on this point? I don't want to be in violation but am unwilling to accept your unsupported word on this.

Allen242 said:
But since you did, I think Jindydiver made the point that a maker’s reputation is important and the ethical responsibility is to get permission first.
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To the best of my information, David Beck has granted such permission to any maker.

Allen242 said:
Your premise that this is a "Patent" issue is incorrect. ... As to your next question, where can you find the above legal information. Ask some of the "old time" knife manufacturers such as Jerry Busse or Mike Fuller. :)
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I would be interested to see them make a statement in support of your argument, since their authority is absolutely all you have presented here as evidence. Mr. Busse? Mr. Fuller? Anyone?
 
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