New UK Knife Laws Are Comming!

As always, it's always easier for the politicians to blame inanimate objects (knives, guns, etc.) than blame the people responsible, which includes the politicians and their liberal immigration policies. A cursory scan of the UK papers is enough to grasp the underlying problem, not that there is going to be an easy solution. You do have to wonder, who or what will the politicians blame after they succeed in banning all knives and the violence continues?
 
We don't know they are quite yet but I would suspect the probability of you being correct is high.
To me the unfortunate point is we're already moving further away from laws which allow sensible carry options, we cannot reasonably continue viewing knives in this fashion.

These problems lie with the idea violence is acceptable in a non defensive scenario.
Multiculturalism hasn't helped either, just examine the origins of virtually all the perpetrators.
 
Chris Meyer said:
who or what will the politicians blame after they succeed in banning all knives and the violence continues?
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Exactly...they will keep picking the most effective self-defense items until its a full pussified state of chaos, with legal citizens millig like terrified sheep while criminals keep acting as they always have with even less fear of repercussion, all the while police become even moreso a corpse collection agency.

The UK is going to self destruct.
 
David Schott said:
Exactly...they will keep picking the most effective self-defense items until its a full pussified state of chaos, with legal citizens millig like terrified sheep while criminals keep acting as they always have with even less fear of repercussion, all the while police become even moreso a corpse collection agency.

The UK is going to self destruct.
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Well said Dave!

I'm still waiting for the tax on oxygen! :eek:
EDIT: isn't there one already? disguised as climate change\environment protection?
 
David Schott said:
Exactly...they will keep picking the most effective self-defense items until its a full pussified state of chaos, with legal citizens millig like terrified sheep while criminals keep acting as they always have with even less fear of repercussion, all the while police become even moreso a corpse collection agency.
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Already done, hence so much criminalisation of self defence. The fact is that the majority neither consider nor care what repercussions there will be, and prefer mocking the supposed "paranoia" of those who are concerned.
 
Anaxes said:
Hah!, were it so easy ;). I gave up being politically correct years ago I'm afraid, reality eventually bites on the arse once too often.
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In ANY society, the people who make up the majority will commit the majority of crimes.
Even if some minority commits more crime BY PERCENTAGE, it still ends up being the majority which one is most likely to be victimized by.
So, in the States or Canada or England, it is most likely that you will be attacked by white people; in Africa it will be black folks, while in Iraq it will be Arabs.
As for reality biting people, I've NEVER been attacked by a black person, an oriental, or an arab; I HAVE been attacked a number of times in my life by my "fellow" whites. Not saying other ethnic groups are perfect or better, but I AM saying that white folks have got no reason to crow about how peaceful we are, THAT'S for damn sure.
 
stabman said:
In ANY society, the people who make up the majority will commit the majority of crimes.
Even if some minority commits more crime BY PERCENTAGE, it still ends up being the majority which one is most likely to be victimized by.
So, in the States or Canada or England, it is most likely that you will be attacked by white people; in Africa it will be black folks, while in Iraq it will be Arabs.
As for reality biting people, I've NEVER been attacked by a black person, an oriental, or an arab; I HAVE been attacked a number of times in my life by my "fellow" whites. Not saying other ethnic groups are perfect or better, but I AM saying that white folks have got no reason to crow about how peaceful we are, THAT'S for damn sure.
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The majority where I live isn't English, so I'm afraid it isn't possible to blame them. Who said this was a question of colour anyhow?, you assume I'm foolish enough to let that fact influence my views?, no it's actions that causes that.

As I said, "it hasn't helped", which it hasn't I'm afraid. It isn't an automatic condemnation of every immigrant to state a negative fact.

You see, I myself am an immigrant but I refuse to look only at one side of the coin ;). Such observations as mine aren't merely the outpourings of bigoted natives as you seem to believe :D.
 
stabman said:
In ANY society, the people who make up the majority will commit the majority of crimes.
Even if some minority commits more crime BY PERCENTAGE, it still ends up being the majority which one is most likely to be victimized by.
So, in the States or Canada or England, it is most likely that you will be attacked by white people; in Africa it will be black folks, while in Iraq it will be Arabs.
As for reality biting people, I've NEVER been attacked by a black person, an oriental, or an arab; I HAVE been attacked a number of times in my life by my "fellow" whites. Not saying other ethnic groups are perfect or better, but I AM saying that white folks have got no reason to crow about how peaceful we are, THAT'S for damn sure.
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I totally agree with what you are saying.

I personally find people from the ethic communities extremely well mannered, polite, courteous and law abiding. But I feel sorry for them as I can see they are being made to look like fiends.

Several colleges (who are white) often have racist opinions of ethnic people. But when asked about their experiences compared with 'white non-ethnic' they seem realise that their opinion has come about from family, TV, media etc and NOT their experiences.

Most people have their judgements formed by media (TV, news, radio) which have their own agenda. Although they may experience some 'good' with these ethnic communities (even a 'hi' or 'acknowledgement as you're passing). Because of external influences people tend to ignore the good parts try to focus on the worst and then generalise the WHOLE community based upon their 'observations'.

It's all to do with manipulating -PERCEPTIONS- (AKA 'Brainwashing'). Psychology 101 can tell you more.
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P.S. I remember about 15 years ago, politicians used to go to the ethnic areas (particularly Muslim) and call them 'law abiding', 'cream of the crop'. Looks like the 'agenda' has changed.
 
I dont have a problem with any race but i hate this imagration thats raping our country.Will they be hear through the bad times?.And is it not going to be the criminals that find there routes into the country a lot easier also less problems for them commiting crime hear.
Saying that my area has seen a big influx over the past 5 to 6 years and all the murders etc are still commited 99.9% of the time by a Scot.
The one crime that ive noticed increased hear is gay rape and sex crimes etc.Gay rape was pretty much unheard of before they were about hear.Maybe its because sex attackers get slaughterd in there countrys so they flee.I wish theyd slaughter them hear too instead of some cushy jail with sky tv etc.
 
"We are not out to criminalise people who have a good reason for being in possession of a knife, but frankly what good reasons would a youngster have for even carrying a penknife?"

Uh, gee, I don't know, maybe cutting stuff? I know, its a revolutionary idea, isn't it?:rolleyes: This guy needs to... well, he needs to do a lot of things, starting with stepping out of his own little bubble and into the real world. I can't believe that these are the kind of people the U.K has enforcing the law.:(
 
Yikes, read some of the comments on the 2nd link.

"I believe anyone over the age of 13 caught carrying an illegal knife on the streets should be sentenced to 5 years in prison - no excuses"

"Everyone should be posecuted for carrying knives over a certain length. Whether they are 9 or 90, they should be taken to court. Knives kill. We can't carry around guns so why are knives different?"

"People are getting confused between an offensive weapon or blade (ie lock knife) and a common pen knife. Pen knives are not illegal because they fold away and do not lock into position."

""Who should be prosecuted for carrying a knife?" How about anyone who isn't a chef or has to use a knife for a legitimate purpose ?"



I really feel sorry for the citizens of the UK.
 
Roger999 said:
"Hands kill people too, let's ban them too!"
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It's a popular joke to suggest one day we'll have are limbs removed and teeth knocked out.
These demands for five year sentencing are mainly hysterical. Five years is what you can expect generally when caught in possession of a machine pistol, etc.

After knives something like coshs will probably become the murder weapon of choice, or the traditional iron/lead bar.
Vilification of increasingly improvised weaponry will be fascinating to watch ("if I may say so"). What lengths will be gone to?.
 
"We are not out to criminalise people who have a good reason for being in possession of a knife, but frankly what good reasons would a youngster have for even carrying a penknife?"

Yeah really, why would anyone need a Victorinox SAK?

What an idiot. :thumbdn:
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
They are not citizens. They are subjects. As such, they have no rights aside from those granted by their masters.
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Not true.

From Wikipedia:
With the development of the modern Commonwealth of Nations in the 20th century, the single Imperial status of British subject was increasingly inadequate to deal with the realities of a Commonwealth with independent member states. In 1948, the Commonwealth Heads of Government agreed that each member would adopt a national citizenship, but that the existing status of British subject would continue to be a common status held by all Commonwealth citizens.

The British Nationality Act 1948 established the status of Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC), the national citizenship of the United Kingdom and those places that were still British colonies on 1 January 1949, when the 1948 Act came into force.
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How this citizenship compares to that in the USA is partly a function of parliamentary government as opposed to our balance-of-powers system. But citizens they are, and the monarch reigns but does not rule.
 
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