New UK Knife Laws Are Comming!

I stand corrected. citizens by definition, then. . . Technically the Russians were Citizens under Stalin as well.
 
I don't know what the UK is thinking, if you have a sign in an airport the says "no bombs" Is a terrorist going to listen? No, laws only effect the people who follow them, and those people are obviously not the criminals. UK is going to self destruct
 
Why do they insist on overlooking the word they themselves throw around so eagerly: Criminal?
A person dead-set on stabbing someone IS NOT going ot be deterred by the fact that it's illegal to carry a knife any more than they were deterred by the fact that it's illegal to stab people.
A criminal is going to continue to break the law no matter how many laws you pass against the same crime.
The real problem is that people think it's possible to completely eradicate crime. It's not. They made murder illegal, but people kept killing each other, so they started systematically outlawing anything that can be used to kill people. They fail to realize that literally ANYTHING can be used as a weapon.
If someone determined to raise arms against another can't get hold of a gun, they'll use a knife. Take away knives and they'll use clubs. Etcetera, etcetera...
when people start hitting each other with their belt buckles, will the government then try to outlaw belts?
 
You raise a well known argument about criminals carrying knives anyway.

The confusion and contradictions arise because people don't understand WHO these laws are defined to protect.

These laws will see the general public getting more stabbed because the criminals know they won't be able to defend themselves. The lawmakers -know- this!

These laws are simply to get into people's minds that they cannot have any means to defend themselves.

The law is not aimed at protecting general public BUT the government and authorities when the s**t hits the fan.

FEAR
 
People get stabbed all the time in prison. Are knives legal in prisons? Soon all citizens inmates will be issued an ID number and a padded cell for their own protection.
 
it seems to that the biggest problem in trying to fight these kind of all-encompassing, knee-jerk legislation is the attitude of the people pushing for it and the guidelines set previously.
I've been reading through the comments in the second link, and some of these people seem to be downright insane; it's a bit frightening. They assume that any person carrying a knife must be intending to do someone harm with it, and are unwilling or unable to recognize the fact that knife possession =/= criminal intent.
The other bit that REALLY scares me is that apparently self-defense is NOT sufficient reason to carry a knife. If stopping a mugger from beating my face in isn't considered a good reason to carry a blade, how can you argue that ANY REASON is a good reason.
 
The UK government doesn't want people to defend themselves.

This makes sense because the primary purpose of any government is to provide security and to prevent anarchy. If ordinary people are allowed to defend themselves and if they do a better job than their government at preventing crime, they make their government look weak and stupid.

Obviously in a socialist nanny-state like the UK (and the rest of Europe) for the people to be better than their government at anything is completely unacceptable. After all this can easily undermine the very foundation of a nanny-state.
 
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Sad thing is that it's spreading.:( Germany has strickt knife laws now, in the Netherlands there's talk about banning knives...
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Yep. A few years back, I had to hand in my Benchmade Elishewitz 690 to a cop. "Pre-emptive police-search" on the streets; I was in my car and had nowhere to go but into the "trap" they had set up. I wasn't charged, but that had to include "voluntarily" handing in my - then favourite - EDC knife. In general; Dutch knife-laws are (still) quite lenient but in some cities (mine including) local government can apply restrictions on knife-carrying in certain neighbourhoods. Not including mine, but I do have to go through them heading for the train-station every day...

It was shortly after 9-11 when the cops took my 690 for "destruction" (yeah, right - private collection that would likely read) and since, these searches have diminished in number. I do always make sure to cover the visible carry-clip of my Spydercos whenever cops walk facing in my direction.

Gonna get my CRK fixed-blade Professional Soldier from the post-office tomorrow nonetheless. Carrying it in the open is a different matter... :rolleyes:
 
I have such fond memories, that knives were a part of, going way back into my childhood. I carved, skinned, sliced, and cut myself on occasion. As a teen, I was in a few fights; a Buck 112 rode on my belt...never even entertained the thought of reaching for it. None of us did. We carried such blades in school. The biggest reaction I can remember from teachers was "Allright...lets put the knives away and get started". Granted, I lived in a rural area; maybe knives, urbana, and teens cannot co-exist without the kind of drivel that's comming out of U.K., as well as some of our own areas (including my hometown now).

I give my children knives...8 yrs old, I teach them and we understand that they might get cut. It's a process, and if they heed my advice, thier cuts will be minor.
We need to encourage our children in the proper use of sharp things and things that go bang (as they get older) and pray that we never wind up like the U.K.
 
[QUOTE But citizens they are, and the monarch reigns but does not rule.[/QUOTE]

That's true, :D but I wouldn't depend on Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, for solid intel when and if I was looking up anything I didn't already know for sure.
 
BTW, I was wondering in the UK now how the heck is somebody supposed to cut their fellow "citizen's" seatbelt loose after a car crash - to rescue them when they are hanging upside down and their car is going to catch fire. I guess they better have a sharp set of teeth to chew through it. Maybe they'll EDC scissors, but they'll quickly outlaw that.
 
This is from a NY news site about London...."The deaths have spurred soul-searching in a city already alarmed by a rising number of knife attacks. Eighteen teenagers have been violently killed in London this year, compared to 27 in all of 2007. Most were stabbed, and police in the city say the fight against knife crime has overtaken terrorism as their top priority."
 
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...police in the city say the fight against knife crime has overtaken terrorism as their top priority."
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Holy cowcrap Batman!:eek: I would have more to say, but I have been rendered quite speechless by that quote.:thumbdn:

Edit: Ok, my voice came back. I wonder if "forcefully removing self/ other people trapped in burning car" is a recognized "good reason" to carry a full sized locking folder or smallish/ medium sized fixed blade in U.K. cities? Probably not, since the U.K. government seems to be against self reliance in general.
 
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"Knife Attacks", "Knife Crime". :rolleyes:

I am going to lock up all my knives for my own protection. Never know when they might attack.
 
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If stupidity were a crime, jackasses like this would never see the light of day again.
 

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