NIB? What does that mean?

[THG]

As I have stated, I don't have a problem with people listing items as NIB because I believe good men can disagree on this point. You don't have to be wrong for me to be right, and vice versa. MrPres can go either way, and as long as he is trying to do the right thing, it will be the right thing.

Mm-hmm, I agree.

And just to be clear, when I do see a knife being sold NIB I don't expect it to imply that the knife has never been touched. That is something YOU are trying to ascribe to me without merit.

I thought you did say words to that effect a couple times, but confusion happens when these post-and-replies drag on for this long. Like I said, I don't think it's an actual problem, just a nitpicking with words that we all get over when we end up actually buying or selling something on the forum.

 

[singularity35]

Well, If I like a knife and it's unused and being sold for half the price that a dealer sells it for, I don't care if it has b**g*rs.

 

[Folderguy]

I don't have to revert to straw man arguments. I said "owned it and played with it", not just "owned". Its the "played with" part - you know, with the guy's doodle fingers and booger fingers - that is dispositive.

Same thing when you go to Best Buy, bring the item home and see that someone else has already owned the item, opened it and done Lord knows what to it. There is little debate there but that the item is no longer "new".

You may be concerned about booger fingers... what I'm worried about are fingers on the left hand that did duty because there was no toilet paper. Let's get real!! Gimme a break, a thread derailed because of snot...

 

[somber]

NIB - New, and in the box it came in. I may have touched it, I may have opened it, and it may have even cut a piece of paper, but if I never told you these things, you'd think it never did them. This item is the same as if you purchased it originally, it is NEW and in a box.

We're getting into semantics here, people.

 

[MrPres]

Oh and to address the OP, I'd say that if you provided a detailed description on what you did or didn't do with the knife

I don't have a specific knife that I'm trying to classify right now, this was more to get a definition of the terms. If I'm going to buy a knife advertised as NIB, what can I expect? Same with selling.

I agree with most people who posted that it is safer to advertise LNIB (or dispense with acronyms altogether).

 

[Folderguy]

Probably the best thing instead of acronyms that may not disclose just what is being offered is to explain simply what the condition of the knife is. If you have taken it out to inspect it and check it for flaws and found none, say so. If you have handled it only for inspection and to take some pictures, say so. If you have flipped it open a few times, say that too. If you have flicked it hard and it has a nice thwack when doing it, with no harm done, with good lockup and so on, say so.

If you've put a nice edge on it, say so. If you've stropped it a bit, say so...

Catch my drift?

After telling the potential purchaser what you have or have not done, it's much more likely the buyer will know what to expect, and be pleased with the knife...

If you've disassembled the knife and dispensed with some funky nylon washers and installed phosphor bronze washers, and lubricated everything perfectly, IMHO, that is a positive for me, and I'd like to know that...

Some people won't like that, and that's understandable. In the end, we want everybody to be happy, and good communication will go a long way towards making that happen.

 

[Ultimate]

For the same reason that if you buy a car off the lot and drive it across the street, you can no longer sell it as a new car.

The "new" car that you buy was driven before you drove it. Then, by your logic, it is impossible for someone to "purchase" a "new" car.

We're getting into semantics here, people.

Semantics is the entire reason this thread was created...

 

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