Nice hike, but a heartbreaking ending..

This happens here with great regularity. Somebody gets hurt, they swoop in and shut it down, then they brag about how much money is saved by closing access.

I would would fight it anyway you can and it would help if you can get a group of concerned campers together, sometimes it can be reversed.
 
Oh man, it sucks to see stuff like that happen. The guy probably had no business being out on a solo trip, anyway, and when things went wrong he didn't suck it up and learn. He blamed someone else for his shortcomings.

Anyway, the rest of the hike looks nice. Gotta get out and get some trail time today, while the temps are in the upper 40's. Back to winter after today...
 
Bah humbug to the moron that filed the legal claim. Hey, that would be public record, right? Distress.... danger you say? Muahahahaha.
 
All I can say is Wow, and sorry for your loss. However I am not surprised and that upsets me . You want a silver lining , The next time you camp there I bet you have it all to yourself. :)
 
I know the horsenettle, but not sure about the first one.

That sawhorse could be split into some nice kindling, and the road closed sign would make a dandy fire reflector when you go camping.
 
tradewater said:
We did some hiking in LBL today since it was a magnificent day for it.

Saw a bunch of these, so thought I'd borrow this idea from Mistwalker...... anybody?

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Not sure. If I had to guess I'd say it's either high bush blueberries, or some sort of wild grape. Late in the year for both of those though....
 
that sucks but in this day and age personal resonsibility is unheaed of concept too some morons.
 
Great pics Trade. Yeah, it sucks what happened for sure.

Common sense is not so common anymore !!!

What moronic judge would even entertain this stupidity in court ? They should be removed from the bench. Judges used to be in that position because they were usually well rounded & had a lot of common sense. No so anymore. What is wrong with people that they want to punish everyone else for what a few idiots do ? :jerkit:
 
Although one reason or another always surfaces more so than others, there is often more than one reason for such closures. Usually several factors weigh in. Here one of the biggest things getting wilderness roads closed off to the public for a while has been the use of the area to commit illegal activities...usually illegal dumping but often the production of meth or the disposal of meth making byproducts. Factors that come into play because of this are the concern for the safety of innocent bystanders and the cost to the tax payers for cleaning up the toxic waste. So, to avoid the liability they "close" the area. They don't usually bother with enforcing the closure, but if anything happens the person was breaking the law themselves and were in a posted area at their own risk.
 
I have some additional intel regarding this magnificent area and the wisdom of those charged with its oversight. I found out there will be around 120 steel gates erected to close numerous backwoods areas as a budget reduction measure. This has the potential to save taxpayers dozens of dollars. Expenditures eliminated will include bi-yearly grading of select roads and mowing around four stop signs. There was also the rescue of a woodsman trapped by six inches of raging lake water. That was expensive too. To finance these efforts to save money: Backwoods permits went up 33% (see footnote) and some campsites (for those who prefer developed campgrounds) are now $40 per night. The additional revenue is to pay for the gates to keep people out so they can save money. Clear thinking administrators should be applauded for their diligence in protecting us from unsupervised exposure to water, rocks and trees. Keep up the good work men. :thumbup:



** Since a vast area of backwoods will be closed, there will be fewer users of the areas remaining. Hence, diehards will need to pay more to make up for lost revenues to help finance future closures.
 
I'd bet that saving money that particular way is just a cover that sounds good to their tax payers. More people sit on their asses watching TV than enjoying the outdoors anyway (and that's the way the powers that be like it) so that's who they are appealing to. Most likely it is about the same thing most things are about these days...liability. I bet they are much more worried about a much more serious law suit that costs them much more money, or maybe a county employee getting hurt out there...or fabricating an injury and having to pay off on a big workers comp case. Most things are indeed about money these days, but not always necessarily in the way it is explained. From what I have seen the majority of the mechanics and dynamics of things, from the news to regular television shows, seem to be designed to keep us dependent, scared, and inside...except when we are out spending money to fund the machine. Us spending time in the woods enjoying the peace and working on our self reliance and self sufficiency is not something that interests the machine...or at least not in a good way.
 
What a shame trade. As my wife and I were discussing this morning sh!t like this is only gonna get worse. Due to the fact that dullards, morons, lazyasses, people that lack intelligence or even a decent work ethic are not only taking over this country, but are breeding and raising (and I use that term losely) all of the same. This is what happens when our so called wise government takes God out of our classrooms and parents right to disapline there own children to name only a couple. Oh well, at least our borders are secure...........what a bunch of dumbasses........I'll get off my soapbox now.
 
That is infuriating! Not only did his naivety put himself and whoever he was with at risk, he then had to continue on and ruin something for everyone else rather than facing his own incompetence. Sorry that your spot got closed because of some arsehat, I do hope you get a chance to educate him some day haha.
 
So they are going to fence off public land, from the public? What is going to happen to it?

Maybe you could try talking them into letting campers sign some kind of release of liability if something were to happen. That way you could enjoy your favorite camping spots without fear of getting caught.
 
cbwoods67 said:
So they are going to fence off public land, from the public? What is going to happen to it?
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It will "return to its natural state". As funding is cut, this is happening all over the country. This is federal land but state parks are suffering as well. Maybe it will take some kind of volunteer program to help maintain some areas and keep them open. That would probably open a new and different can of worms though.

We'll find a new spot, fortunately there are plenty of other places around. I just hate change when it's not for the better and I think there are some tough times coming for outdoor enthusiasts of all kinds.
 
tradewater said:
I have some additional intel regarding this magnificent area and the wisdom of those charged with its oversight. I found out there will be around 120 steel gates erected to close numerous backwoods areas as a budget reduction measure. This has the potential to save taxpayers dozens of dollars. Expenditures eliminated will include bi-yearly grading of select roads and mowing around four stop signs. There was also the rescue of a woodsman trapped by six inches of raging lake water. That was expensive too. To finance these efforts to save money: Backwoods permits went up 33% (see footnote) and some campsites (for those who prefer developed campgrounds) are now $40 per night. The additional revenue is to pay for the gates to keep people out so they can save money. Clear thinking administrators should be applauded for their diligence in protecting us from unsupervised exposure to water, rocks and trees. Keep up the good work men. :thumbup:



** Since a vast area of backwoods will be closed, there will be fewer users of the areas remaining. Hence, diehards will need to pay more to make up for lost revenues to help finance future closures.
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Did you talk to the HDIC? Who made this decision? If it's an elected, and not an appointed, official, I'd like to know.
 
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