Nice Simple Becker Knife?

buyer5207 said:
Have you ever talked to one of the so called survival guru's? They say 4-6 inches is optimal blade length for a knife. Small enough for small carving and big enough for battening. And with the tough 1095 cro-van full flat grind shouldn't be a problem. The Kabar Heavy Bowie doesn't have a problem with it's full flat grind (yes it's 1075 carbon steel but still). Another thing to consider is noss (knifetests.com) on youtube did a destruction test and the Kabar Heavy Bowie beat the Becker Bk9. Sure, I don't like noss's tests because their unreasonable but that's something to think about. Length to spine from edge would be similar to the bk2 or bk7. No choil....I just don't like them.

A Scandi Grind Becker would be awesome to! I'm just saying I think a knife of those specs I listed earlier would be a big hit.

Ethan any insight would be awesome.
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noss. eh, whatever. no many Becker knives are broken in fair use, over a 30 year period, compared to the number out there. we have no worries.

a lot of the so called experts are perfectly happy with a Mora too. Beckers are a bit more robust than that and can do pretty much all they can do, and more.

Ethan might be said to not be fond of the Scandi grind in general. probably won't happen on his knives.

sabre grind, flat grind, convexed mods. eh. again, the Beckers work really well as they are. they don't take requests as a rule, just sayin'... :)

spend some time and see what people are doing with these knives. they are not to everyone's taste, so you can mod them, or buy other knives.

Ethan's a simple guy, making simple knives :D for us! yay...

now, the tweeners that are coming out for Shot Show 2012 should make a lot of people very happy. esp me. that's important. my happiness. those mini-magnum camps are ... going to be perfect for the bush. the mini-campanion is probably going to be the #1 seller of the year. unless of course it's the mini-clip-point - i just don't understand clip points, never will probably, but eh, they're making them because they're popular ;)

the Eskabar is probably the perfect knife for its size...
 
TwinStick said:
A sabre grind DOES split better in all of my experience. I have never wedged my BK2 where i could not get it out. I have done that many times with my BK7 & BK9.
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axes are typically convexed and are good splitters. there are some axes with perfect V grinds, and even mauls... good splitting axes typically have cheeks too...

let's have a knife with CHEEKS :)

i prefer my knives to be cutters and slicey. just sayin'
 
I think 6" is to long for a bushcrafter would prefer 4-4 1/2 inches of blade length, and prefer a convex or scandi grind over full flat.
 
buyer5207 said:
Have you ever talked to one of the so called survival guru's? They say 4-6 inches is optimal blade length for a knife. Small enough for small carving and big enough for battening. And with the tough 1095 cro-van full flat grind shouldn't be a problem. The Kabar Heavy Bowie doesn't have a problem with it's full flat grind (yes it's 1075 carbon steel but still). Another thing to consider is noss (knifetests.com) on you-tube did a destruction test and the Kabar Heavy Bowie beat the Becker Bk9. Sure, I don't like noss's tests because their unreasonable but that's something to think about. Length to spine from edge would be similar to the bk2 or bk7. No choil....I just don't like them.

I disagree with the 6'' group being small...look at all the people that bought the SRK when it was in Carbon V. I believe a huge amount of people love the 6'' length SRK but since it's in AUS8 people stay away from nowadays. But I would still love a SRK Becker clone.

A 6'' full flat ground drop point Becker would be awesome as well. And yes, the bk2 is similarI'm just saying I think these would get a huge amount of attention. Something for Kabar to think about. I'm just saying I think a knife of the specs I listed earlier would be a big hit.

A Scandi Grind Becker would be awesome to!

Ethan any insight would be awesome.
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I can agree with you on most of that. I find full flats offer more surface area friction when spliting, rather than the shoulders of the primary grind of a sabre grind.

I'll ask Ethan if he gets a chance to pop in here, and I've heard him say more than once that he would like to make a 6" Campanion knife, same as the BK2 only longer.

If you can find something to compare it to, that's already being made, or in the class you are talking about, I'd love to take a look at it.

Moose
 
Moose,

Closest thing I have seen as a production knife, would be something like this.
They make a clip point too, but I am not fond of their grips at all.

OKC RANGER RD6 DROP POINT BLACK MICARTA CUSTOMIZED BY JUSTIN GINGRICH
MADE IN THE UNITED STATED OF AMERICA

5160 HIGH CARBON STEEL BLADE
BLACK EPOXY FINISH
BLADE LENGTH: 6-1/2" APPROX
OVERALL LENGTH 12-1/4"
BLADE THICKNESS: 1/4"
RC HARDNESS: 57-58 RC
HANDLE/SLABS: BLACK MICARTA

I would also love to see a 6 inch range Becker Bush Beast ..lol
Although honestly I think to distinguish itself from the RSK MKII and the BK 10 and the BK 2, it would need to be more like a 1/4 inch BK 7 with a drop point and no thumb ramp.


Not sure if it would need to be a full flat grind, although I think that would make even a thick knife a better slicer, and convexed would make it a machine.

Just my 2 cents on this topic.

Personally I think the Bk 2 is exactly what it was made to be, a damn near indestructible all round utility knife that can do almost anything well.

Are there things that would make it look better to me?
Sure, but I am not a knife designer or an out doors expert, and most of what I think is sexy about a knife is based purely on personal preference.

Based on the amount of people who swear by not only Mr Beckers knives but specifically by the BK 2, I would have to say that its a safe bet that its filling its need as is.

Having said that, necessity and desire, are the mother of innovation, so if you have a great idea for a design, talk to one of the custom makers in Blade forums and see what you can do. Then use it and abuse it and see if its really what you wanted.
If it is, then odds are you can find a market for it. Knives are simple tools and people need/want them for generally the same reasons, so if you can build a better mouse trap as they say, the world will beat a path to your door.
 
buyer5207 said:
Why not make a nice simple Becker knife with a 6 inch blade that is/has full flat ground, full tang, grivory handles, and 3/16 inch thick (or 1/4 inch). That'd be a BA knife. Perfect for the bush. Any input?
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you mean something like the BK12? AKA the Ritter/Becker RSK mk 2?
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OK, not full flat grind, but very high saber. 3/16" thick drop point right between the ESEE 5 & 6 in length.
(personally, I wish he'd left the thumb ramp off)
 
buyer5207 said:
Have you ever talked to one of the so called survival guru's? They say 4-6 inches is optimal blade length for a knife. Small enough for small carving and big enough for battening.

A Scandi Grind Becker would be awesome to!
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I'm sorry I totally get where you're coming from however not to be a smart alick or condescending in any way..but.... I think most of, if not 'ALL' survival guru's don't even baton wood:eek:... and everyone I've ever met prefers a knife under 5" for the very thing you're talking about..

shocking I know.. but its more then true...........

But I can't agree with you more on the scandi grind... I happen to be a big fan :)
 
1066vik said:
you mean something like the BK12? AKA the Ritter/Becker RSK mk 2?
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OK, not full flat grind, but very high saber. 3/16" thick drop point right between the ESEE 5 & 6 in length.
(personally, I wish he'd left the thumb ramp off)
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I'd grind the thumb ramp off the 12, other than that, I think it fits the bill quite nicely.

Moose
 
@ Battle Creek Knives

I totally disagree with you. Dave Canterbury, Cody Lundin, Ray Mears, Mykel Hawk (not a expert but just saying), and many other instructors batten wood. Yeah, Ray Mears carries a axe usually but I'm sure he battens wood when he doesn't carry his axe or has to do some light battening. But I do agree with you...Scandi Grind=Awesome.

But I think a 6'' Full flat ground, drop point, 1095 Becker would be soooooooo awesome. IT WOULD BE A BEAST.

A full flat grind helps with slicing, sharpening, and splitting wood (plus more stuff)
 
alot of survival experts say they dont baton much
its risky on your blades (knots and such)

what they do and what they say *shrugs* who knows
 
1066vik said:
you mean something like the BK12? AKA the Ritter/Becker RSK mk 2?
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OK, not full flat grind, but very high saber. 3/16" thick drop point right between the ESEE 5 & 6 in length.
(personally, I wish he'd left the thumb ramp off)
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I got beat to it again, but this BK12 seems to meet your requirements except for the full flat grind.
 
buyer5207 said:
I totally disagree with you. Dave Canterbury, Cody Lundin, Ray Mears, Mykel Hawk (not a expert but just saying), and many other instructors batten wood.
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well I guess I need to watch more 'survival shows', the little bit I have seen of those shows I've never seen anyone baton wood... other then Mears demonstrating how to 'split' wood with an axe safely, dunno, maybe I should have put it in otherwords....

what exactly is the purpose of batoning wood?? I've started fires without batoning for years adn never had a problem, even wet wood with the proper tinder will eventually take..

do I baton wood?? yes I do, not out of necessity but for fun, and practice in case I ever do need to baton to find dry wood :).. etc.. most schools, training etc never focus on batoning wood, some may be split but I don't really thing 'survival gurus' focus on batoning, its just not needed..

Topic: how about take a bk7 shorten it and flat grind it more with a deep robust convex..?? :)

the 7 serves a heavy roll between the 2..
 
buyer5207 said:
Why not make a nice simple Becker knife with a 6 inch blade that is/has full flat ground, full tang, grivory handles, and 3/16 inch thick (or 1/4 inch). That'd be a BA knife. Perfect for the bush. Any input?
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Own it. Well, almost...

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Didn't we have one of those survival gurus at the last Beckerhead gathering?
I'm going to have to ask him about the whole re-hydrate via blackwater enema thing.

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buyer5207 said:
@ Battle Creek Knives

I totally disagree with you. Dave Canterbury, Cody Lundin, Ray Mears, Mykel Hawk (not a expert but just saying), and many other instructors batten wood. Yeah, Ray Mears carries a axe usually but I'm sure he battens wood when he doesn't carry his axe or has to do some light battening. But I do agree with you...Scandi Grind=Awesome.

But I think a 6'' Full flat ground, drop point, 1095 Becker would be soooooooo awesome. IT WOULD BE A BEAST.

A full flat grind helps with slicing, sharpening, and splitting wood (plus more stuff)
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Watching Lundin baton with that Mora would be hilarious. Although I believe he would have no need for it. That man can start a fire with cotton, wet wood, and strong language.

You seem like you want something specific. I bet any one of these guys can recommend a great custom maker for you. I even know a couple if you're Canadian.
 
You haven't seem Lundin Batten his Mora? It is hilarious though, but it works for him.

@guyon
I'll have to look into Doug's Beckers.

@Battle Creek Knives
Were you using synthetic tinder to start your fire? Or was it damp not wet...Because usually you have to batten wood because the outside of wood is wet and the center is dry, plus smaller pieces take easier. It also is a matter of where you live...
 
you're right on the money...

it is a matter of where you live... I'm not taking away from batoning in any way, just stating its not necessary in 'most' cases in a survival situation..

take nutnfancy for example, he swears up and down he has to baton wood to make a fire, whether it be wet, dry, or whatever..

he'll sit in the cold for hours batoning before he gets a fire.. removing small twigs along the way so he can get to the big stuff to chop then baton...

those small twigs along the way, could easily be started with the trioxane that he always carries.. then when they catch, increase size twigs to the point you can put damp logs on the fire and they too will burn..........

the time and energy he spends batoning in the snow is amazing, snow insulates, if you find a nice tree on high ground with a canopy chances are everything under the snow, grasses, twigs, leaves, etc are all dry!! including but not limited to fallen branches with twigs on them typically don't get that wet..

but I still likes to baton...

I say get the ritter or simply shorten a 7 to fit your needs, heck send me a 7 and I'll do it for you............ :)
 
@bladite
Full flat ground helps with slicing

@butler creek knives
I think battoning is a waste of time in certain circumstances. Furthermore, I agree with you on most of what you said but as you said battoning when it's really wet is necessary if you can't take the weight.

still think this would be a awesome knife
 
buyer5207 said:
@bladite
Full flat ground helps with slicing
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haven't had a problem slicing with any Becker, esp the BK10, BK5, BK4, and of course the neckers.

we even had a contest to slice an olice into as many pieces as possible. with a BK2.

5 more months to tweeners, give or take.
 
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