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markv

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i'm not leaving feedback anymore for anybody.:grumpy:

last couple of deals , i left feedback for the other guys they left zip for me.:(

so what is the point of feedback ????:confused:

tell me.

oh yeah, they were Gold or Platinum or some other ore

buzz
 
Maybe the simply forgot? Have you asked them to leave feedback again?

The point of feedback is to give a bit more of assurance that the stranger you are buying/selling/trading with is trustworthy.
 
I agree, people forget. Whenever I deal with someone on ebay and they don't leave fb I send them an email saying that if they thought the transaction was smooth enough I'd appreciate them contributing to my trader reputation. 10 out of 10 time I get positive fb left immediately.
 
I my first transaction a couple weeks ago and i didn't know how it worked until the PIIG told me he left good feedback, which made me want to leave feedback...
 
Even if the other person flakes, please, leave the feedback. It really is a re-assurance that you're good folk to buy/sell/trade with. Not everyone has left it for me, but I always leave it for them. On another note, I have had nothing but full, open and honest communication with all of the people I have traded with here. I'm actually really impressed with the caliber of people that I've run across here on blade forums. Send em a reminder.... sometimes we get busy and forget. I'm sure you'll be surprised.
 
Where did you leave the feedback, iTrader, or General Knife Discussion? I moved this from General to FEEDBACK. :p

I bought a knife recently from Daniel Fairly. Right after he got my PayPal, he left me a positive iTrader rating for quick payment! That's the kind of people we all like to deal with. (The knife was a winner, too. :) )

Stick with it, maybe remind them that it matters. When you rate them, it sends them a message with a link to rate you. It's a shame if people are too busy to take the two minutes to thank you for your part in a good deal.
 
1. well i should be one happy dude cause they have received

2, they have been reassured you can be assured of that

3. so far they are all positive and i am just hanging

4. the last seller i did business with , i took the time to return his email and proceeded to walk him completely through the process, still waiting for results, that is i am.....

5. so far i am really impressed with my caliber.

Esav , thanks for the help, you are a stand up guy.
out here in the wilds of Mudzoory "it takes one to know one"

buzz
 
checked my profile
i am blessed with more feedback.
all is good

so is there a lesson here? feedback is good and it is good for you.
dom tee dom daah dum.

buzz
 
I don't do a lot of trading/selling, but that seems to be par for the course. I wouldn't worry about it. Just try to make people happy anyway. :cool:
 
I've always given positive feedback to my knifemakers, which have been plenty in the last 3 months. I do so in the thread where I either found the knife to purchase or in the thread claiming that my new custom knife is completed. I figured that was the best place to leave such a message.....perhaps not, but that is what I have done.

I also send each knifemaker a personal email thanking them for their knives and thus far, for their quick and efficient delivery of my knives.

Being relatively new here, I thought that was the way to go, as in just being courteous when a deal starts and finishes. I didn't really realize that my "1" positive feedback could possibly have been substantially more given all of my purchases, nor did I care much, till now (and even now, I'll survive the oversights of several........;). But it does seem par for the course here. And no....there hasn't been any failings on my end with regards to my payments to the knifemakers, in fact, I'd say that (if not using PayPal), my payments are received by each and every knifemaker much faster than they had expected.

I do think that, for whatever reasons, the BF community as a whole seems to place the knifemaker at the top of the pile in regards to such things, while the customer seems to get 2nd billing. Again, I could care less, but it is rather obvious in just how transactions are carried out here.

I'm not trying to rattle anyone's cage here, but when a buyer and seller transact, the buyer is always expected to send the $ to the seller/knifemaker prior to the seller/knifemaker sending the buyer the knife (or any other item). In some weird way, this makes some sense to me as well, but I'm not sure how or why............:confused: If transactions didn't happen almost 100% of the time like this (if not 100% of the time), then I would not even have brought up this subject. It seems like when entering into a transaction, given the way I described the expected chain of events and how they occur in a transaction, that somehow it is assumed that the buyer is somehow less responsible and/or trustworthy than the seller......why else would it be standard procedure to always be expected and asked to make payment prior to receipt of a knife or whatever.....:confused:.

I know, I know.........it's just the way we do things, but why.....? The knifemaker/seller might say, "well, I have what you want....?". That's true, but the buyer also has what the seller wants.......unless I'm missing out on free knives and sheaths that nobody told me about.......;). To me, it's that simple. Both people are after something which is perfectly natural. But to then say that I want you to show me your hand first and then I'll show you mine.......who gets to make that call, that rule and why.....? The buyer could easily say, "hey, how do I know that you'll send me the knife if I send the money..?". The seller/knifemaker could then post a picture of either the custom ordered completed knife or a picture of the production knife he happens to be selling and say, "hey, here it is.......send me the $ first if you want it". Now this all seems like an infallable approach, but we know it isn't. "Heck, I saw the knife picture he posted, it's exactly what we discussed that I wanted". Who can't take a picture of a knife....any knife. Who can't take a picture of one custom made knife and not sell it on several different sites before he/she is found out. But given our current ways of transacting here, the $ could be already in the hands of the "bad" seller and many hopeful buyers out their hard earned green backs before anyone knows it happened. Unfortunately, this occurs more often here and elsewhere than we'd like to believe.......and it's a fairly common issue here as anywhere...........why wouldn't it be.....?

I guess that as a buyer, it seems that we ALL assume, for whatever reason, that we, as buyers, should pay first to receive our item. OK.....I can live with that, but not for the reasons that I believe that I'm any less honest than the seller/knifemaker.........any seller/knifemaker. And he sure as hell better not be requesting the $ first because he assumes he is more honest than me. I would terminate any and all transactions with any seller/knifemaker who even thought that way and I could discern that in his demeanor and/or actions.

Sooooooo.......since the buyer is the primary player in these transactions (in that he/she must send the $ first before the seller/knifemaker sends the knife or other item), it would only seem fair, reasonable, courteous, obvious, friendly, wise, smart, honorable and in one's own totally best interest.....to take the 10 seconds it would take the seller to give the buyer his kudo's, which in this forum's format is a simple +1 in his little "feedback" column.

I'm thinkin' that the OP is simply asking to be recognized as an honest and reliable individual, be he the buyer or seller...nothing more and nothing less. And given the obvious fact that the seller sits in the cat bird seat on all of his transactions on this site, it would seem more than a little bit gracious to extend to each buyer the common courtesy of such recognition.

Just be courteous and show a little bit of it...........that's the bottomline.
 
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If you go to a supermarket, you give the cashier the money before the cashier releases your groceries.
If you buy online, you transfer your payment electronically before the merchant ships your purchase.
We work the same way here. (When trading, however, we usually expect to ship simultaneously.)
 
yes , simultaneous or cross shipping is really cool cause you get the knife or knives about the same time the seller gets the funds.

trading of course is perfect for simultaneous shipping

several of the transactions i've completed lately have been cross shipped.

suggested by a seller the first time and by the buyer, me, the second time. made both transactions more fun for me .
although if you need the money first to be able to ship the knife , that's a horse of a different feather

if you have excellent feedback , there is no reason not to trust one another.

all good

i sent an email message to the guys i had deals with and they all added feedback for me.
i did feel knida stupid asking them .
btw,
thanks for the email Esav


buzz
 
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No matter if its a good, bad, or just ok transaction..id appreciate some kind of feedback. it only helps everyone out in the long run.
 
When deals go bad, we always seem to come back to the one common problem: communication. Keeping in touch, even after everyone got what they wanted, encourages good habits: we train ourselves to think and care about each other.
 
I also have a seller who didn't leave feedback for me despite sending him a reminder. Can I retract my feedback for him?
 
markv said:
yes , simultaneous or cross shipping is really cool cause you get the knife or knives about the same time the seller gets the funds.

trading of course is perfect for simultaneous shipping

several of the transactions i've completed lately have been cross shipped.

suggested by a seller the first time and by the buyer, me, the second time. made both transactions more fun for me .
although if you need the money first to be able to ship the knife , that's a horse of a different feather

if you have excellent feedback , there is no reason not to trust one another.

all good

i sent an email message to the guys i had deals with and they all added feedback for me.
i did feel knida stupid asking them .
btw,
thanks for the email Esav


buzz
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I only stumbled across this email because it was on the front page when I logged on. Since we just completed a deal, I'm ASSuming it involves me. First off, you are 100% inaccurate in your statement that you had to ask for positive feedback from me. As a matter of fact, I still have the sent email in my sent file that clearly states that I wanted to leave you positive feedback, but would you mind walking me through the process. I've asked people in the past and never heard back. You emailed me back on on Saturday and walked me through it and I left you feedback this early afternoon as soon as I finally had a free moment. You didn't have to ask me for anything, I initiated all of it.
 
I always leave feedback.I think I may have forgotten once,when I first came here.

If everyone I've had deals with left me feedback,my number would be well over a hundred instead of 64.

I usually put a note in the note section when they pay with paypal, "If you're happy with the deal,don't forgot to leave me iTrader feedback.I already left yours.Thanks"

People are forgetful.I don't let it bother me anymore.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
If you go to a supermarket, you give the cashier the money before the cashier releases your groceries.
If you buy online, you transfer your payment electronically before the merchant ships your purchase.
We work the same way here. (When trading, however, we usually expect to ship simultaneously.)
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When I go to the grocery store, the cashier ALWAYS places my unpaid items in a bag and then in my cart next to me, essentially giving me possession of said groceries PRIOR to my payment to him or her.....always. In this instance, I actually take possession of my groceries before they receive a payment, albeit, almost simultaneously.

I understand "that we work the same way here".....but why...? Again, I am in compliance (for lack of a better word) and have had zero issues with any and every seller thus far. To simply go about business as usual is most certainly the easiest and likely most comfortable way going forward, however, it still begs the question........why must it be the buyer first that moves to initiate the actual transaction (sends money first)...........:confused:.

Trading one knife for another doesn't, in my mind, make any difference whatsoever in somehow justifying shipping each simultaneously. That would be like saying that each seller in that particular circumstance are both somehow more reliable and/or honest than any other person not trading and simply sending $ as payment for a knife. How can one give more weight to a knife in a trading transaction as opposed to cash in a purchasing transaction......:confused:. One is certainly no more important or coveted than the other.....$ or knife....knife or $. But still, a buyer is expected to send payment first, but if when trading, that expectation somehow becomes immediately null and void and we drop our defenses just long enough to ship our traded knives simutaneoulsy and supposedly more safely and reliably.........to one another. Then, perhaps the very next day, we sell a knife and once again fully expect to see money in hand prior to even considering sending out the knife.

Once again....I could care less about how I receive what I order as long as the transaction is smooth and the item arrives as promised and as advertised and/or ordered. But it still amuses me more than amazes me how we justify doing business, here and elsewhere, when there are no real justifiable reasons for doing so.

I expect that we have heard all our lives that this or that is the way it is just because it's always been done this or that way. I simply was interested in hearing an answer as to why it is currently "this way" and the justifications and/or reasonings behind it. But what was of most importance was to point out that the OP had a very valid point. I felt that he needed validation and whether or not he found some through my post or not.....it was an effort on my part to impart some to him.

If the buyers went away, so would follow the sellers. If kudo's can be willingly spread about in one direction, it seems logical that the reverse should also occur.

It seems that the OP has consistently displayed that type of courtesy time and time again, yet back at him...........not so much. It would seem that his situation is much more often the plight of a buyer as opposed to that of a seller. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but either way, give feedback in one form or another. It costs nothing and is worthwhile and educational in many instances for all concerned, be it either positive or negative feedback.
 
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